BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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According to The Sun newspaper one of the BA crew behind the "Santas Crew" collection for sacked/suspended staff has themselves been suspended following allegations of bullying/harassment.
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According to The Sun newspaper one of the BA crew behind the "Santas Crew" collection for sacked/suspended staff has themselves been suspended following allegations of bullying/harassment.
Santas Crew
Not only Santa's crew, but angels too.
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If the Christmas Tree donation barometer is correct, they have received to date less than £1 per claimed striker (or less than £2 if one accepts BA's figures) - that's hardly a breathtaking level of shoulder to shoulder support !
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These people really just don't want to and thus will never get it.
It is their Union-agreed procedure that BA is following. Nothing more and nothing less. If BA did not follow the procedure then it would be culpable for failing to do so and I'm sure that the individual complainant (and probably some in the Union too!) would be even more aggrieved than others in the Union are now that BA chose to not respond to a legitimate employee complaint.
Before accusing BA of raging a war over Xmas don't they stop to realise that BA has no choice in this matter?
Don't they realise that as soon as one of their (CC) colleagues files a complaint that BA has no choice in suspending pending investigation?
Don't they remember they were a party to writing the rules for the entire process?
The Union is being completely and utterly two-faced. When it suits them they want the process to be ignored. When it suits them they want the process to be rigorously followed.
Sorry BASSA but you can't have it both ways and as for threatening strike action to disrupt everyone's Xmas then appealing for a truce on behalf of the children and the angels ....... give me strength!
It is their Union-agreed procedure that BA is following. Nothing more and nothing less. If BA did not follow the procedure then it would be culpable for failing to do so and I'm sure that the individual complainant (and probably some in the Union too!) would be even more aggrieved than others in the Union are now that BA chose to not respond to a legitimate employee complaint.
Before accusing BA of raging a war over Xmas don't they stop to realise that BA has no choice in this matter?
Don't they realise that as soon as one of their (CC) colleagues files a complaint that BA has no choice in suspending pending investigation?
Don't they remember they were a party to writing the rules for the entire process?
The Union is being completely and utterly two-faced. When it suits them they want the process to be ignored. When it suits them they want the process to be rigorously followed.
Sorry BASSA but you can't have it both ways and as for threatening strike action to disrupt everyone's Xmas then appealing for a truce on behalf of the children and the angels ....... give me strength!
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No matter what has been said or done during the past 12 months, one would imagine that our differences could be forgotten for a while so innocent children caught up in this could have a better and happier Christmas?
The hypocrisy is breathtaking.
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Originally Posted by Santas Crew
We are British Airways Cabin Crew who want to help our colleagues who have been unfairly suspended or sacked.
The interpretation of "unfairly" is clearly widely drawn, and presumably is only based on BASSA's perspective.
Well, its a potentially risky job, collecting money for children. You could loose your job.
True, but think of the "invaluable" anti-BA propaganda available to BASSA were it to happen. The fact that BASSA cannot point to a single unfair dismissal judgement through the course of this dispute speaks volumes.
In my view, BASSA's claims of unfair dismissals for trivial reasons does not stand up to scrutiny.
In my view, BASSA's claims of unfair dismissals for trivial reasons does not stand up to scrutiny.
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The point that Litebulbs makes is very important. An ET does not have the ability to enforce a re-engagement order. So the bottom line is that a lost job would not be regained.
It is a brave man or woman that is willing to risk a well paid job with good T&Cs at the moment. The economy is hardly buoyant and jobs are difficult to come by at the moment, with the knock on effects of the Irish economy and subsequent jitters over Portugal and Spain, this is not the time to be so stupid as to risk your employment over some esoteric point. Paying the mortgage should be more important than making some petty industrial point to your employer.
It is a brave man or woman that is willing to risk a well paid job with good T&Cs at the moment. The economy is hardly buoyant and jobs are difficult to come by at the moment, with the knock on effects of the Irish economy and subsequent jitters over Portugal and Spain, this is not the time to be so stupid as to risk your employment over some esoteric point. Paying the mortgage should be more important than making some petty industrial point to your employer.
Quite so JT.
From the other thread:
It is about time that BASSA members realised that BA's Board and Management control the Company, not BASSA.
From the other thread:
I can't help thinking this is slightly ironic, and only supports the views of the majority of the cabin crew, that current BA management are out of control
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True, but think of the "invaluable" anti-BA propaganda available to BASSA were it to happen. The fact that BASSA cannot point to a single unfair dismissal judgement through the course of this dispute speaks volumes.
In my view, BASSA's claims of unfair dismissals for trivial reasons does not stand up to scrutiny.
In my view, BASSA's claims of unfair dismissals for trivial reasons does not stand up to scrutiny.
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It is a difficult situation for Unite. No doubt the membership are not happy, but suspension pending investigation is common practice and is not an indication of any wrong doing. However, how would a comment like that be perceived?
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Originally Posted by Litebulbs
It is a difficult situation for Unite. No doubt the membership are not happy, but suspension pending investigation is common practice and is not an indication of any wrong doing. However, how would a comment like that be perceived?
Any sense of balance, or common-sense, seems to have escaped long ago. That is the great sadness, IMO ... innocent people are being led to [whatever] with rhetoric and distortions instead of honest facts.
I have experienced "suspension pending investigation" and it's not nice. Eventually, fairness and justice won through ... but the damage had already been done.
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MPN11: I second Litebulbs thoughts. That could not have been a good place to be.
I note that we have a new poster at the Cabin Crew forum attempting to re-write history.
The yellow pens are now about support for those dimissed. If the rest of Cabin Crew stopped to think about it they would realize that the best defense if for ALL of them to bring yellow pens to work.
Would rather negate the effect of the childish behavior.
I note that we have a new poster at the Cabin Crew forum attempting to re-write history.
The yellow pens are now about support for those dimissed. If the rest of Cabin Crew stopped to think about it they would realize that the best defense if for ALL of them to bring yellow pens to work.
Would rather negate the effect of the childish behavior.
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Diplome, your comment about a new poster trying to re-write history rings true. But I suggest that his/her belief in what they write is genuine. How else could they write something like:
IIRC the very first offer from the company ensured that the existing T&C's in place at the time were to remain untouched, the only change being that a crew member would be taken off certain flights in an attempt to save on costs. If wiser heads had prevailed at BASSA, their members would undoubtedly be much better off now than they will be in the future. As it is, who else has the knowledge that pay increases are written into the future?
It is my view that BA's intention, after the blank refusal of BASSA to engage in dialogue, to irradicate the "Spanish Practices" was enhanced.
I believe one thing our strike did achieve is ensuring the rest of our T&Cs remain untouched.
It is my view that BA's intention, after the blank refusal of BASSA to engage in dialogue, to irradicate the "Spanish Practices" was enhanced.
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