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On 19 February 2010 Sir Christopher Holland (Sitting as a Judge of the High Court) said
The BASSA and Amicus factions were separately represented and sat in separate rooms. Despite the efforts of ACAS they could not be persuaded to join forces for a meeting with BA. The latter raised the possibility of separate agreements with the respective factions but, understandably, that did not appeal. In the overall result there was no meeting between the Union and BA.
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Nice to be home ...
... after a few weeks abroad, flying with a perfectly acceptable airline 
I've finally got time to catch up with the latest developments. Hmmmm.
It's interesting to see we're all pretty much where we were when I left ... a dysfunctional BASSA, the duty militants, UNITE struggling to control it's child, CC sitting in 2 separate camps, and BA operating normally.
Still, I have further forward bookings with BA [about which I have no concern at all] so I can just sit back and watch the plot unravel. Which it will soon, from what I've read over the last couple of days.
I have nothing to contribute at this stage ... I'll leave that to the experts and those more closely involved with the issue. Just wanted to say "Hi"
I've finally got time to catch up with the latest developments. Hmmmm.It's interesting to see we're all pretty much where we were when I left ... a dysfunctional BASSA, the duty militants, UNITE struggling to control it's child, CC sitting in 2 separate camps, and BA operating normally.
Still, I have further forward bookings with BA [about which I have no concern at all] so I can just sit back and watch the plot unravel. Which it will soon, from what I've read over the last couple of days.
I have nothing to contribute at this stage ... I'll leave that to the experts and those more closely involved with the issue. Just wanted to say "Hi"
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Welcome home.
I too have recently arrived home having flown very comfortably & with very friendly BA crew members to & from NBO. BA just gets better, as does T-5.
It was obvious months ago that Bassa had lost big time. The final act is rapidly reaching an acceptable conclusion.
I too have recently arrived home having flown very comfortably & with very friendly BA crew members to & from NBO. BA just gets better, as does T-5.
It was obvious months ago that Bassa had lost big time. The final act is rapidly reaching an acceptable conclusion.
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Thanks, Finky.
Flights were punctual, some aircraft getting a bit old and grubby, AVOD worked, food was acceptable [no better than that, and in one case AWFUL] ...
... and the CC were 'OK' on the long-haul [LHR] and outstanding as always on the short-haul [LGW] trip. I wish they would swap over.
Ho hum, on we go. What next, I wonder?
Flights were punctual, some aircraft getting a bit old and grubby, AVOD worked, food was acceptable [no better than that, and in one case AWFUL] ...
... and the CC were 'OK' on the long-haul [LHR] and outstanding as always on the short-haul [LGW] trip. I wish they would swap over.
Ho hum, on we go. What next, I wonder?
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This is getting to be like "Mrs Dale's Diary."
The original protagonist was sacked, her place taken by another Dame, then the whole series was binned by the Bosses.
Reaction will be the same. Some will weep. Some will rejoice. Some will maintain the rage.
Most will say "BASSA, who?"
The original protagonist was sacked, her place taken by another Dame, then the whole series was binned by the Bosses.
Reaction will be the same. Some will weep. Some will rejoice. Some will maintain the rage.
Most will say "BASSA, who?"
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This is getting to be like "Mrs Dale's Diary."
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@Litebulbs
Referring to the CC thread, what were you really thinking when you posted the link to the flyertalk site and the claim that 2 crew-members had won pnds 20 K damages from BA over lost staff travel ?
Really , if that had been the case it would have been everywhere on the web in BIG letters - and certainly on Pprune - very quickly irrespective of any gagging agreement.
It would have all crew clamouring big time to do similar.
Without any further knowledge I think this is a total lie . as . in spite of TCGB, we don't have secret courts and the importance of this decision would have been such as to have whipped up all relevant forums in a few hours.
Having said that, I find your posts somewhat difficult. IMO 90% are reasonable ( i.e. logical even though I may not accept the logic ) but then with 10% you attempt to introduce this mad **** .
Is this the **** sandwich technique i.e. slip in the nasty with the palatable ?
Referring to the CC thread, what were you really thinking when you posted the link to the flyertalk site and the claim that 2 crew-members had won pnds 20 K damages from BA over lost staff travel ?
Really , if that had been the case it would have been everywhere on the web in BIG letters - and certainly on Pprune - very quickly irrespective of any gagging agreement.
It would have all crew clamouring big time to do similar.
Without any further knowledge I think this is a total lie . as . in spite of TCGB, we don't have secret courts and the importance of this decision would have been such as to have whipped up all relevant forums in a few hours.
Having said that, I find your posts somewhat difficult. IMO 90% are reasonable ( i.e. logical even though I may not accept the logic ) but then with 10% you attempt to introduce this mad **** .
Is this the **** sandwich technique i.e. slip in the nasty with the palatable ?
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It's in the comments. (as is some other stuff!)
British Airways to restore travel perk to striking cabin crew - Cheapflights.co.uk
British Airways to restore travel perk to striking cabin crew - Cheapflights.co.uk
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Unless I am mis-interpreting the question, I think you'll find the the "court settlement" story was "broken" on PPrune by Juan Tugoh in post # 762. He mentions that it came from elsewhere without naming the source.
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Westlakes:
Thank you for the link.
Its late, I've had two cocktails, but this is an arena I'm rather comfortable with, even with the warm company of Mr. Absolut.
Seriously people, a "hush hush" court case?? Over these issues? And the argument provided is so "meat and veg". No citations, no dates...BASSA seriously has to get better writers.
This is placed in the same file as the "I have a daughter who has never worked who was offered a leadership position in Mixed Fleet", which lies right next to the "20 Planes parked at Cardiff" paper.
I'm not sure what is more ridiculous. Someone writing this sort of message thinking it has enough foundation to be plausible, or those so pathetically looking for hope that they view it as concrete enough to base future action on its content.
If any Cabin Crew are willing to accept that post as "proof" then they each give lie to assertions about being thinking, capable professionals.
I'm pouring another cocktail...and will then cite the "hush hush" court case that has me being declared a natural blonde.
Thank you for the link.
Its late, I've had two cocktails, but this is an arena I'm rather comfortable with, even with the warm company of Mr. Absolut.
Seriously people, a "hush hush" court case?? Over these issues? And the argument provided is so "meat and veg". No citations, no dates...BASSA seriously has to get better writers.
This is placed in the same file as the "I have a daughter who has never worked who was offered a leadership position in Mixed Fleet", which lies right next to the "20 Planes parked at Cardiff" paper.
I'm not sure what is more ridiculous. Someone writing this sort of message thinking it has enough foundation to be plausible, or those so pathetically looking for hope that they view it as concrete enough to base future action on its content.
If any Cabin Crew are willing to accept that post as "proof" then they each give lie to assertions about being thinking, capable professionals.
I'm pouring another cocktail...and will then cite the "hush hush" court case that has me being declared a natural blonde.
Litebulbs - you surely don't believe that nonsense regarding the "secret" Court case do you?
As a union man, I would have thought you would be loudly cautioning your fellow union members not to allow such garbage to influence their decisions regarding the offer. People's careers are on the line here.
As a union man, I would have thought you would be loudly cautioning your fellow union members not to allow such garbage to influence their decisions regarding the offer. People's careers are on the line here.
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I enjoy, in a perverse way, the surfacing of this type of "galley fm" rumour where I work.
Sadly so many take them so seriously and when they are, easily, shown to be false it is still so difficult to get folk to accept the truth.
As for BA denying it (as suggested elsewhere) in the minds of those that believe it would only confirm the untruth.
Mariner 9 - Hi, Kirkbride might be getting a fuel supply!
Sadly so many take them so seriously and when they are, easily, shown to be false it is still so difficult to get folk to accept the truth.
As for BA denying it (as suggested elsewhere) in the minds of those that believe it would only confirm the untruth.
Mariner 9 - Hi, Kirkbride might be getting a fuel supply!
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The suggestion that there has been some kind of "secret" court case that required BA to pay damages is complete and utter ******** and I can't believe anyone can take the suggestion seriously.
Even if there had been a case, it would never have been heard in private.
Even if there had been a case, it would never have been heard in private.
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Mystery court
Could it be that this rumor was started to keep the Bassa faithful in hope of court decision in their favor regarding ST? May be a tool to swing the vote to the "No" side.
Just a thought from an interested observer.
Just a thought from an interested observer.
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Litebulbs - you surely don't believe that nonsense regarding the "secret" Court case do you?
As a union man, I would have thought you would be loudly cautioning your fellow union members not to allow such garbage to influence their decisions regarding the offer. People's careers are on the line here.
As a union man, I would have thought you would be loudly cautioning your fellow union members not to allow such garbage to influence their decisions regarding the offer. People's careers are on the line here.
As to the link, I think it is a load of tosh, but it appears to be another rallying call. I didn't research the link, I saw it somewhere else. New rules need to be drawn up in this 24/7 media world. As you say, the link should be dismissed, but that would be seen as weak by a very vocal group, therefore discrediting the comment that you were trying to make.
Make sense?
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The agreement that was forced on Willie Walsh.
This isn’t just any crummy source of information._ This is from that most reliable source - Car Rentals.
I would invite BASSA to accept their victory and recommend a yes vote to their members (to accept the 15 October agreement) and ask them to celebrate BASSA’s historic victory.
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I do not have nor ever have had any employment in any airline, airport, airplane manufacturer or whatever.
The fact that the carrier has finally buckled goes against the word of its boss Willie Walsh, who had previously insisted that the perks would not be reinstated while ever he was at the helm.
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I do not have nor ever have had any employment in any airline, airport, airplane manufacturer or whatever.
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Judging from the syntax, spelling and grammar, I question the reliability of that source. 
It is, of course, just the opinion of the author of that article, like many "facts" on this and the other thread.
It is, of course, just the opinion of the author of that article, like many "facts" on this and the other thread.
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