So, just passengers eh ?
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So, just passengers eh ?
Let me just say first of all I am looking forward to the replies from this post.
I think in industry terms, the aviation industry is filled with most arrogant and conceited people I have ever known.
Now don't get me wrong, I work in advertising so I know many a pr*ck, but you guys take the biscuit. I have followed aviation from a child. Academically I wasn't up to it, although I was of the opinion if i'm not interested, then it ain't worth learning and aviation wasn't on the list of preferred choices in the 4th year (year 11 in metric).
Honestly, when I read the dismissive and abhorrent posts on this site, it's worrying. I ask myself..."Would I want to be flying in your ship ?
Quite categorically no !
The systematic abuse and one upmanship on this site is beyond belief.
Smarmy answers and dismissive attitudes embedded in this site lead me to a conclusion. I am glad that I never worked in this industry at all (cue lemon sucking faced people).
Even more worrying from my point of view (passenger/slf) is that if you're so grumpy on the ground,then what are you like in the air. I manage a small team of 15+ staff and yes we have the same issues as you. ie, upper management, SOP's, scheduling, etc.
If someone walks into my company with a CV or a genuine interest in what we do, we don't dismiss them. Instead we take the time to find out how keen they are and after consideration either employ them or put them on record.
So next time you are pushing back, consider for a moment the "SLF" that is wondering why flap deployment is maybe a little late (relieved all the same) and laughing at passengers who can hear the PTU, thinking someone is hacksawing through the fuselage.
We passengers are not all as stupid as you think. My best mate is Senior F/O recomended for Cptn on A320 type and I pretty much know Cold and Dark thru to shut down.
Hopefully my grammar has prevented the easy option of criticism but then there is the minority whom will idly comment.
"And your point is ?"
my reply is
"These are the people I never want to fly with"
Don't get me wrong, there are people on this site who genuinely want to help and are welcome contributors, of which we thank. But the most worrying aspect of all is the goddamn politics on Pprune.
I think in industry terms, the aviation industry is filled with most arrogant and conceited people I have ever known.
Now don't get me wrong, I work in advertising so I know many a pr*ck, but you guys take the biscuit. I have followed aviation from a child. Academically I wasn't up to it, although I was of the opinion if i'm not interested, then it ain't worth learning and aviation wasn't on the list of preferred choices in the 4th year (year 11 in metric).
Honestly, when I read the dismissive and abhorrent posts on this site, it's worrying. I ask myself..."Would I want to be flying in your ship ?
Quite categorically no !
The systematic abuse and one upmanship on this site is beyond belief.
Smarmy answers and dismissive attitudes embedded in this site lead me to a conclusion. I am glad that I never worked in this industry at all (cue lemon sucking faced people).
Even more worrying from my point of view (passenger/slf) is that if you're so grumpy on the ground,then what are you like in the air. I manage a small team of 15+ staff and yes we have the same issues as you. ie, upper management, SOP's, scheduling, etc.
If someone walks into my company with a CV or a genuine interest in what we do, we don't dismiss them. Instead we take the time to find out how keen they are and after consideration either employ them or put them on record.
So next time you are pushing back, consider for a moment the "SLF" that is wondering why flap deployment is maybe a little late (relieved all the same) and laughing at passengers who can hear the PTU, thinking someone is hacksawing through the fuselage.
We passengers are not all as stupid as you think. My best mate is Senior F/O recomended for Cptn on A320 type and I pretty much know Cold and Dark thru to shut down.
Hopefully my grammar has prevented the easy option of criticism but then there is the minority whom will idly comment.
"And your point is ?"
my reply is
"These are the people I never want to fly with"
Don't get me wrong, there are people on this site who genuinely want to help and are welcome contributors, of which we thank. But the most worrying aspect of all is the goddamn politics on Pprune.
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I expect that this rather intemperate post will be either locked or deleted very soon.
I am pure SLF, never having worked in aviation. I do not sleep with anyone fitting that description either (but if you're between 40 and 40 and want a good time, PM me).
Perhaps something has gone wrong. Give us the specifics, man, don't just rant like a spoilt child!
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I am pure SLF, never having worked in aviation. I do not sleep with anyone fitting that description either (but if you're between 40 and 40 and want a good time, PM me).
Perhaps something has gone wrong. Give us the specifics, man, don't just rant like a spoilt child!
grammar has prevented the easy option of criticism but then there is the minority whom will idly comment.
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I think Coopz has, possibly, missed one important point on here, that not everyone that answers a post is actually who other posters think they are!
It can be quite easy for a non aviation employee to pretend to be a professional (well for a short time at least) but long enough to cause offense!
(though of course MIDLGW has a very valid point)
It can be quite easy for a non aviation employee to pretend to be a professional (well for a short time at least) but long enough to cause offense!
(though of course MIDLGW has a very valid point)
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Coopz67 I'm going to presume that you are not a Troll. What you have said has been said a thousand times before. When I worked in telecommunications and IT for 27 years, guess what? I met one or two unpleasant people in amongst the life long friends. Now I'm in a new line of work and, guess what? It's the same again!
Remarkable eh? It's almost like people the world over function in a similar way, isn't it?
Frankly, in this forum, we have enough people blowing off and may I ask you to reconsider before giving us more of the same. Why? Because you contributed nothing to this forum. You told us that you didn't like lots of people that you haven't met (and who says they'd like you?) and that you know what a PTU is and have the knowledge to know if the flaps are being run 30 seconds later than the PiC's SOP.
Pur-leeese.
If you don't like the politics then get out, or are you trapped in here? We are all guests on this site and if you don't like the way the site is run or the kind of people that post in it - then you know what to do!
Remarkable eh? It's almost like people the world over function in a similar way, isn't it?
Frankly, in this forum, we have enough people blowing off and may I ask you to reconsider before giving us more of the same. Why? Because you contributed nothing to this forum. You told us that you didn't like lots of people that you haven't met (and who says they'd like you?) and that you know what a PTU is and have the knowledge to know if the flaps are being run 30 seconds later than the PiC's SOP.
Pur-leeese.
But the most worrying aspect of all is the goddamn politics on Pprune.
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But the most worrying aspect of all is the goddamn politics on PPRuNe.
I have been chastised myself for being beligerent and sarcastic and in retrospect agreed with the moderator of the forums comments that were pm'd to me.
That said, it was not the politics of the site, it was the sites moderators wishing to maintain a decent level of debate/interaction/call it what you will, at a civil level.
Hindsight is a great thing, maybe in retrospect you too may reconsider your thoughts.
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Well of course you are looking forward to the replies. A fisherman doesn't bait the hook without eager anticipation of what will bite. The premise of your post is somewhat strange though. If you join a professional pilots website it must surely be in the expectation that the site will be largely populated by professional pilots. Simply signing up to slag off the target group isn't likely to be very productive. I appreciate that many answers to questions, or comments to observations can be curt, exasperated, sarcastic, rude or just plainly impolite on many occaissions, but that is simply the nature of the beast. Internet forums are often like that, and anonymous ones even more so.
Given that all the contributors are anonymous how would you possibly know "whose ship" you were flying in, or indeed ever had? Given that you seem to have survived those experiences to date, presumably you have a lifetime of safe and professional flight experiences. If the surgeon who operates on me, or a doctor who treats an illness, or anybody else who facilitates some other aspect of my life and wellbeing, does so in a professional manner, then frankly I couldn't care less how grumpy they are in their private lives or indeed on internet bulletin boards!
I a mean how patronising is that? Do you not think that almost everything we do isn't geared in some way to the safety, comfort and efficiency of our passengers? Barely a day goes by that myself and virtually every one of my colleagues around the world doesn't spend a significant portion of our duty day planning and searching routes, speeds and flight levels that will give our passengers the safest and most comfortable journey possible.
Is that what we think? Few passengers are pilots, but all pilots are passengers! We weren't hatched into this role. We travel regularly as part of our duty, as passengers. We travel on vacations and business around the world. We understand the frustrations, annoyances, irritations and tedium that is often an intrinsic part of travel. We take our families on flights and know how frustrating delays and lack of information can be with impatient, bored and fractious children in tow. Just like you, we put our trousers on one leg at a time in the morning, so why do you think we are somehow oblivious to the realities that our passengers face? I really don't know!
Whatever you may want, you are simply never going to know, so what is the point of the statement? I am sure the flip side of that mythical coin, is there are probably passengers who if we knew anything of their background we wouldn't want to fly either. However we don't, so it is fleetingly academic.
Has somebody been rude to you?
Given that all the contributors are anonymous how would you possibly know "whose ship" you were flying in, or indeed ever had? Given that you seem to have survived those experiences to date, presumably you have a lifetime of safe and professional flight experiences. If the surgeon who operates on me, or a doctor who treats an illness, or anybody else who facilitates some other aspect of my life and wellbeing, does so in a professional manner, then frankly I couldn't care less how grumpy they are in their private lives or indeed on internet bulletin boards!
So next time you are pushing back, consider for a moment the "SLF" that is wondering why flap deployment is maybe a little late (relieved all the same) and laughing at passengers who can hear the PTU, thinking someone is hacksawing through the fuselage.
We passengers are not all as stupid as you think.
my reply is
"These are the people I never want to fly with"
"These are the people I never want to fly with"
Has somebody been rude to you?
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Coopz,
I'd like to think your post was the result of having a bad day and simply needing to vent frustration.
My experience on this site has been different from yours. I've managed to stick my foot in my mouth a few times, and nonetheless learned from the sometimes less than politically correct replies. But most of the discussions I have enjoyed have been very civil, if a bit sarcastic at times. One must keep a sense of humor.
This set of forums, like any other discussion site, has its fine folks as well as its lunatics. You're only hurting yourself if you let the few tarnish the many.
My experience with people working in aviation has left me with a much different opinion of the industry than yours. Most of the pilots and other crew I've met are genuinely nice people, although they will sometimes express themselves very directly and abruptly. I think this comes with the territory they inhabit.
Also, I'd like to add that the airline industry as a whole is going through tough times at the moment, and it has to be very irritating (and maybe frightening) for the people who work in it. Tempers may be shorter than normal.
I don't think the "politics" here on PPRuNe is any different than found on any other moderated discussion site. I have moderated for sites and I can tell you that it is not as simple as most think. Mods have a tough job to do - keep discussions within established boundaries while not stiffing the discussion. Failing at either can kill a forum quickly.
Cheers!
I'd like to think your post was the result of having a bad day and simply needing to vent frustration.
My experience on this site has been different from yours. I've managed to stick my foot in my mouth a few times, and nonetheless learned from the sometimes less than politically correct replies. But most of the discussions I have enjoyed have been very civil, if a bit sarcastic at times. One must keep a sense of humor.
This set of forums, like any other discussion site, has its fine folks as well as its lunatics. You're only hurting yourself if you let the few tarnish the many.
My experience with people working in aviation has left me with a much different opinion of the industry than yours. Most of the pilots and other crew I've met are genuinely nice people, although they will sometimes express themselves very directly and abruptly. I think this comes with the territory they inhabit.
Also, I'd like to add that the airline industry as a whole is going through tough times at the moment, and it has to be very irritating (and maybe frightening) for the people who work in it. Tempers may be shorter than normal.
I don't think the "politics" here on PPRuNe is any different than found on any other moderated discussion site. I have moderated for sites and I can tell you that it is not as simple as most think. Mods have a tough job to do - keep discussions within established boundaries while not stiffing the discussion. Failing at either can kill a forum quickly.
Cheers!
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Just woke up after my post LAX 11 hour kip and settled down with an espresso to catch up on PPRuNe: Spilled a bit when I read the OP but am now enjoying a contented glow that should last all day. Pax/SLF forum at its' best!
I think the subject has been covered now so we can close it down and move on.
I think the subject has been covered now so we can close it down and move on.
