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Old 6th Sep 2010, 11:57
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Whichever the case may be, it will be interesting to see the spin placed on the event and, of course, the 100% support for something.

Any ideas when the expectant World will get to hear?
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 12:10
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Brendan Gold, Unite's national secretary for civil air transport, said a new ballot was likely due to three outstanding issues: the imposition of changes to work practices; the sacking of 14 crew for alleged offences committed during the ongoing dispute; and the withdrawal of staff travel perks from the estimated 6,700 crew who joined 22 days of walkouts this year.

"We will inevitably have to take an industrial action ballot on these issues," said Gold.
If this is the case then any forthcoming IA looks rather like it will be unprotected. I hope that (this time) BASSA provide a truthful warning of the risks to their members with more substance than the last "you cant be sacked for striking".

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/sep/06/union-british-airways-strike-inevitable
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 12:17
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With that comment in the public domain, not only can they be sacked for striking but it's fairly obvious that they can be easily replaced.

I think the phrase "Bring it on" springs to mind.

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Old 6th Sep 2010, 12:22
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I have just returned home after two short-haul J-class European flights this morning with British Airways. The first, from a German city to LHR, was a public relations disaster for BA with sour-faced, unhelpful and (in one cabin attendant's case) downright rude service. If that's EF's standard of service these days then I was appalled.

The second - from LGW to JER - was a dream by comparison. The front cabin was packed, but the crew made every passenger feel welcome. How they manage a full meal service in 35 minutes astonishes me every time.

Meanwhile AtlasDrawer, posting in "the other place" reports on a certain conversation:

I recently did a trip with a purser on EF, who told me that a BASSA rep on EF had told her that a Christmas strike was being planned and 'We know we have lost, this strike is just to [email protected]@k the company up' - Their exact words.
The moral of my tale: that the BASSA hardliners employed on BA's European Fleet are still convinced that they run the airline, and that they still believe that fare paying passengers are an intrusion in their working lives.

Compare and contrast that pernicious mindset with the positive, can do, attitude of the "Gatwick Gang".
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 12:43
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Interesting that Sky news reports from the meeting sight that the most important news to come out of BA this year wasn't the industrial action but the merger with Iberia and the exploring of other aquisitions.

A clear signal that the Board and The Street do not feel that BASSA will not be successful in stopping progress.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 13:21
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Dying to see how many thousands Duncan Donut thinks turned up.....

British Airways cabin crew have voted for a ballot on new strike action in the run-up to Christmas and over the festive holidays, Sky sources say.

Dozens of BA flight attendants met at Kempton Park Racecourse to debate the need for a new strike poll.

Sky sources said that union members had voted to go ahead with the ballot, raising the prospect of major disruption over Christmas.

The vote came as BA boss Willie Walsh announced he had drawn up a shortlist of 12 airlines he is targeting for takeover.

Mr Walsh has refused to name the airlines but they are believed to include budget airlines as well as full-service carriers in Brazil, India and China.

Any additions would be brought under the umbrella of the International Airlines Group, formed by BA's merger with Spain's Iberia carrier.

Mr Walsh announced the shortlist at the launch of a code-sharing agreement with India's Kingfisher airline.

"We have had a number of meetings where we have looked at airlines around the world and identified those that would be attractive to us," he said.

"We want to create a platform for like-minded airlines - those who believe that consolidation is part of the answer for the industry."

He said that no discussions had yet taken place.

BA failed in an attempt to buy Australian flag carrier Qantas in 2008.

Mr Walsh has had a difficult year, due in large to an ongoing dispute with the Unite union.

Cabin crew have held 22 days of strike action since March.

The row started last year over Mr Walsh's plans to cut costs by reducing the number of cabin crew on aircraft.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 13:24
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I don't know whether to be amused at the "Dozens of BA flight attendants met at Kempton Park Racecourse..." that Sky news are reporting, or whether to be extremely depressed that this small number seem intent on causing as much of a nuisance as they can and who cares about their fellow colleagues or the passengers they always used to claim were their focus.

However, I stand by my belief that any strike will be a nuisance at worst and irrelevance at best.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 14:05
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or whether to be extremely depressed that this small number seem intent on causing as much of a nuisance as they can and who cares about their fellow colleagues or the passengers they always used to claim were their focus.
As it was such a poorly attended meeting, when the ballot is called those who didn't attend now have the chance to tell Holley to stick his strike up where the sun never shines!
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 15:30
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A significant number of BA passengers have commented on how good the service was on strike days. Perhaps the wizards in BA's PR department could capitalise on that in case of future IA.

"Your next BA Flight - picket on a strike day."
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 17:30
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@ Chuchinchow ... hi, good to see you again! Yes, I agree entirely, the LGW-JER service remains an example of what CAN be achieved. I never cease to be amazed at what they can achieve in so short a time. Great crews!

@ STS ... I'm sure The Public will be fully supportive of the actions of the "Dirty Dozens"

I honestly think it's time for a ballot ...

BASSA wants to cause disruption ... 100 votes?
BA Passengers want to fly BA ... 34.5 million votes.

All those in favour? Motion carried
Democracy ... it's a bu66er, isn't it!
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 17:47
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Oh dear. It just gets worse for Duncan Donut and the rest of the rabble.

Crucial talks aimed at breaking the deadlocked British Airways cabin crew dispute are set to be held during the TUC Congress next week in an attempt to avert the threat of further strikes, it was revealed today.

Unite's joint leaders Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson are hoping to hold fresh talks with the airline in Manchester, where the annual gathering of hundreds of union activists will be held.

The development emerged today following a meeting of more than 1,000 cabin crew to discuss the bitter row.

The dispute started almost a year ago over cost-cutting but now centres on the removal of travel concessions from union members and disciplinary action against some of those who have been on strike.

The meeting, held at Kempton Park racecourse near London, also voted in favour of holding a new industrial ballot for fresh strikes, which will have to be endorsed by Unite's leaders before it can go ahead.

Many of those attending today's meeting wore yellow ribbons in a show of support for their colleagues who have been sacked or disciplined since a wave of strikes earlier this year.

Unite official Brendan Gold said: "This dispute has not been resolved and is very active, but we are hopeful there will be a meeting in Manchester next week to try to keep on the pressure of negotiations.

"If it is not resolved, we will have another ballot for industrial action, but the emphasis on our side is to try to reach a resolution.

"The number of dismissals among our reps is now in double figures which is a total disgrace. The company is losing hundreds of millions of pounds yet the chief executive (Willie Walsh) is trying to divide his workforce, setting colleagues against each other."

Mr Gold said Unite was preparing to fight the dismissals, including taking cases to employment tribunals.

Meanwhile, Unite said more than 6,000 of its members had applied to the union for strike pay after taking part in the industrial action.

BA has previously declined to give a "running commentary" on the dispute, beyond saying it remained available for talks and was still in contact with the conciliation service Acas.

However, a BA spokesman said: "We continue to be in contact with Unite. We have received no notification of any ballot for industrial action. Unite's crew branch Bassa has been talking about a ballot for the last three months. It does not have the authority to call a ballot.

"It is clear that Bassa does not represent the majority of cabin crew. Only a third of crew supported previous strikes and even fewer voted against our last offer."
And that bit in bold is obvious for those outside this dispute.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 19:17
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Pot calling kettle?

From the BASSA missive.

decent ordinary crew are losing their livelihoods due to one man’s bullying and intransigence.
Confused? Was Duncan talking about WW or himself here?
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 19:41
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Any sense of reality has long departed from this dispute.

Sadly, the lemmings will chatter until they fall off the cliff.

I feel, seriously, sorry for the vast majority of BA CC who have been tainted by this farce.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 20:20
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Get real, I have not had a pay rise in the last 3 years and unlikely to see one . I consider myself at 56 lucky to still have a job. No chance of moving elsewhere because of the declining jobs situation. Stop acting like spoilt brats you are damn lucky to be in a job.
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 21:08
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From that other thread,
It was also reported back that Unite had paid out £2.83m in strike pay to 6,729 striking crew members (average claim 10 days) and that hardship loans had now been granted to all those deemed deserving.
As the so-called strike ran for a total of rather more than ten days, is that not an admission that a large number of strikers went back to work before the strike was over?
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 21:33
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Smile Gatwick & co

Now that we're getting down to the nitty gritty - it seems obvious that Gatwick and LCY CC are shining examples throughout this dispute, both from the viewpoint of backing BA and not striking and, in the manner in which the vast majority have continued to provide first class service to the customers.

With that background, why don't all CC at LGW and LCY who feel that the situation has now gone too far, with yet another call for strike action, simply resign from their respective unions, Amicus, Bassa et al., and join the PCCC.

In doing this, they may bring about the following;

Reduce Bassa's membership to the point where Bassa can no longer maintain their rights of representation.

Provide a quick boost to PCCC's membership level, allowing BA to recognise them as having representation capabilities.

Remove Amicus from the picture, as it would seem that LGW CC have never really been happy with the absorbtion of CC89 and the resulting lack of control of their destiny. (Not that Bassa allowed anybody any control either).

Any thoughts anybody ?
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Old 6th Sep 2010, 23:14
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Entaxei,

Firstly, LCY crew are not part of Mainline BA but Cityflier so the strike didn't include them at all.

There are only about 150 Unite members left at LGW (estimate).

I think LGW crew (myself included) need a specific LGW union type organisation, whether an actual union or works council or whatever.

I'm all for getting rid of Bassa, as they've done nothing but tarnish our reputation in the last (however many) years.
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Old 7th Sep 2010, 04:49
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MIDLGW

Thanks for that information, I always did wonder at the 'quiet' LCY part of the organisation that always appeared to be talked about, but never spoke for themselves!! - but never used, so never knew ....

Great news about the likely union membership now in existence at LGW, from the viewpoint of removing the Bassa influence from that area of BA operations and, at least LGW CC have the brains and intelligence to decide for themselves the sensible course of action in this ridiculous dispute amidst all the threats and lies being thrown around by Bassa.

I can understand your comment about the need for a formally structured organisation, I guess things will to resolve themselves once Bassa is dead and muttering.

So apologies for the abortive post, but as always it seemed like a good idea at the time!!
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Old 7th Sep 2010, 08:44
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A reminder:

"Unite's crew branch BASSA has been talking about a ballot for the last three months. It does not have the authority to call a ballot," said BA.

"It is clear that BASSA does not represent the majority of cabin crew.
Ain't it just!
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Old 7th Sep 2010, 09:46
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“BA sacked my Mum” t-shirts....

I really despair at the mentality of a parent that involves her infants in an industrial dispute. And the union that promotes such an act.
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