BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II
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Very good post 
Also reading the cc forum, it is a bit unbelievable, as to CC inteligence, I would guess that higher pay than those outwith BA would be related to a bit higher education and thought process
One states, How can BA afford to pay us doing nothing, whilst New Fleet has doubled and flying?
HELLO Err well being an ingnorant nerk myself I would guess, because you will not be there anymore being paid
Another has lost Staff Travel free but commutes 5500 miles a twelve hour flight before the start of shift, is this legal rest time CAA
How many multi lingual university grads would give their right arm for CC employment rather than burger flipping AND may even get a free flight home to see their loved ones
Having said that, Burger flipping is much more work than trolley pushing dishing out sarnies
Hells Bells BA Crew do not even have to go round flogging scratch cards every half hour
In the current finacial climate, I would tend to get my head down and work, thankfull that I was not on the end of a Job Centre queue awaiting my £64pw giro (oops sorry, at the end of a job centre queue for nothing the first six months PROVING I had looked for gainfull employment )
Whilst the mortgage protection scheme proves not worth the paper it is written on
Child care at £300 per week, is contractual, ie you can not just quit you are obliged to pay to the end of the year
Become unemployed and it is a right bloody destruction of your life, no home, but you can live on the half price sale of your original home until you are down to the last £3k and begin to get your £64pw job seekers allowance
Not really a problem as you join the 2.5 Million others, most immigrants find work picking potatoes in rural areas for up to £215 pre tax per 37hour week
IA this will be your outcome Check it out
Jack McH
Also reading the cc forum, it is a bit unbelievable, as to CC inteligence, I would guess that higher pay than those outwith BA would be related to a bit higher education and thought process
One states, How can BA afford to pay us doing nothing, whilst New Fleet has doubled and flying?
HELLO Err well being an ingnorant nerk myself I would guess, because you will not be there anymore being paid
Another has lost Staff Travel free but commutes 5500 miles a twelve hour flight before the start of shift, is this legal rest time CAA
How many multi lingual university grads would give their right arm for CC employment rather than burger flipping AND may even get a free flight home to see their loved ones
Having said that, Burger flipping is much more work than trolley pushing dishing out sarnies
Hells Bells BA Crew do not even have to go round flogging scratch cards every half hour
In the current finacial climate, I would tend to get my head down and work, thankfull that I was not on the end of a Job Centre queue awaiting my £64pw giro (oops sorry, at the end of a job centre queue for nothing the first six months PROVING I had looked for gainfull employment )
Whilst the mortgage protection scheme proves not worth the paper it is written on
Child care at £300 per week, is contractual, ie you can not just quit you are obliged to pay to the end of the year
Become unemployed and it is a right bloody destruction of your life, no home, but you can live on the half price sale of your original home until you are down to the last £3k and begin to get your £64pw job seekers allowance
Not really a problem as you join the 2.5 Million others, most immigrants find work picking potatoes in rural areas for up to £215 pre tax per 37hour week
IA this will be your outcome Check it out
Jack McH
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The next ballot will result in an acceptance by those voting. This will allow Unite to exit 'because the members wish it'.
ST will be returned slowly once the glare of publicity has moved on to some other issue to upset the Daily Mail readership.
Hopefully BASSA will have some elections and inject some moderation into it's camp....(optimism shouldn't be sneared at!!)
Anyway, for what it's worth that's my prediction......
ST will be returned slowly once the glare of publicity has moved on to some other issue to upset the Daily Mail readership.
Hopefully BASSA will have some elections and inject some moderation into it's camp....(optimism shouldn't be sneared at!!)
Anyway, for what it's worth that's my prediction......
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There is talk on the other thread of "outsourcing to India". That's probably a bit far fetched, but I have had the pleasure of flying Jet Airways and their cabin crew were absolutely top notch, as was everything about the service on board.
Be careful what you wish for.....
Be careful what you wish for.....
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This does look like we are heading for a vote to accept BUT if they return ST - then no one will ever believe another word that WW says. I don't think he's that silly in terms of his career. He fashioned himself as the hard man.
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This does look like we are heading for a vote to accept BUT if they return ST - then no one will ever believe another word that WW says.
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bhx01's posts on the other board are an interesting read.
He/she has only posted four times but her opening post reads like a pr move from BASSA..."I've worked before but now I'm so sorry and I will strike this time" sort of stuff.
http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/418...ml#post5791261
In a later post she even states that she hopes the striking cabin crew can "forgive her".
Call me cynical but the timing is interesting.
He/she has only posted four times but her opening post reads like a pr move from BASSA..."I've worked before but now I'm so sorry and I will strike this time" sort of stuff.
http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/418...ml#post5791261
In a later post she even states that she hopes the striking cabin crew can "forgive her".
Call me cynical but the timing is interesting.
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Nice to know I'm not the only cynic.
addendum: And she/he is still pitching with a "gosh" and "gee whiz" approach.
Unfortunately the argument fails the logic test. He/she states regarding credibility and who is to be believed..
The MAJORITY of your fellow crew members are not striking...and just to be a tad pointed Liz Malone hasn't asked one of us if we would like coffee or tea in ages and Duncan Holley, who developed what sounds suspiciously like an allergy to actually being Cabin Crew, is no longer an employee of BA.
Nice to know I'm not the only cynic.addendum: And she/he is still pitching with a "gosh" and "gee whiz" approach.
Unfortunately the argument fails the logic test. He/she states regarding credibility and who is to be believed..
Most likely the union after all they are crew like me.
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I agree that the Union look like they can duck out with (their version of) honour as the staff want it over. Also, they have a brand new Conservative govt to fight now, so lots more fun and strikes to be had there.
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Bloomberg Report
Today on Bloomberg:
British Airways CEO Wages `War of Attrition' as Pay Vote Starts - Bloomberg
Worth a read
British Airways CEO Wages `War of Attrition' as Pay Vote Starts - Bloomberg
Worth a read
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From the story linked above: -
{On the ballot} - I've had the usual delivery of Unite/BASSA/Amicus crap through my letterbox this week that disagrees with that statement.
“The union is making no recommendation one way or another,” Unite spokesman Andrew Murray said in an e-mail.
Re-writing History
One of the folk over on the CC thread is now trying to re-write history - implying that bassa did negotiate, and was at those meetings, in the negotiating room, (rather than being in the adjournment room and refusing to meet either BA or amicus).
Re-writing history is one of the favourite tactics of Socialist Worker, a rather nasty organisation who appear to have taken a role in this dispute. By repute, many of the BFC attendees were not striking BA CC but were sympathisers from Socialist Worker.
Run for some time by the millionaire Redgrave family and their close friends, if bassa are dealing with them, I feel sorry for their members.
I was in a dispute some time ago when SW tried to muscle in on the issue. Fortunately the TU members saw them coming and told them to Foxtrot Oscar.
No matter how bassa are perceived by the travelling public, allowing SW to become involved in any way will make it worse.
Re-writing history is one of the favourite tactics of Socialist Worker, a rather nasty organisation who appear to have taken a role in this dispute. By repute, many of the BFC attendees were not striking BA CC but were sympathisers from Socialist Worker.
Run for some time by the millionaire Redgrave family and their close friends, if bassa are dealing with them, I feel sorry for their members.
I was in a dispute some time ago when SW tried to muscle in on the issue. Fortunately the TU members saw them coming and told them to Foxtrot Oscar.
No matter how bassa are perceived by the travelling public, allowing SW to become involved in any way will make it worse.
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A short lull in the other forums has nw been ended by a strong showing of declared BASSA supporters and undeclared BASSA supporters.
The declared supporters are very selective in what they say and it is telling that when presented with facts they tend to ignore them completely, generally responding with more spin or unique versions of events. Some of their comments are more Nostradamus like.
What for me appears obvious is the increase in undeclared BASSA supporters, purporting to be rational CC that have now come to a decision to strike or support BASSA as a result of genuine consideration of the facts or some tale of horror or woe that has befallen them when they worked through the last IA period.. Fortunately for us they aren't quite clever enough to carry the pretence off and revert to BASSA tactics of ignoring facts and spewing forth versions that have been refuted over and over again by BA supporters over there.
My personal wishes are that BASSA do announce a NO vote and go for industrial action. Forcing BA to begin dismissals or to sideline the strikers altogether and fly 100% of long haul and short haul. I simply don't want to risk having any trip I have planned disrupted by BASSA supporters. If BASSA win any form of concessions in this dispute at all, BA may as well hand over the keys. Becuase, if they can't win this dispute in this financial climate with the level of support from the public and the rest of BA now they have no chance in the future.
The declared supporters are very selective in what they say and it is telling that when presented with facts they tend to ignore them completely, generally responding with more spin or unique versions of events. Some of their comments are more Nostradamus like.
What for me appears obvious is the increase in undeclared BASSA supporters, purporting to be rational CC that have now come to a decision to strike or support BASSA as a result of genuine consideration of the facts or some tale of horror or woe that has befallen them when they worked through the last IA period.. Fortunately for us they aren't quite clever enough to carry the pretence off and revert to BASSA tactics of ignoring facts and spewing forth versions that have been refuted over and over again by BA supporters over there.
My personal wishes are that BASSA do announce a NO vote and go for industrial action. Forcing BA to begin dismissals or to sideline the strikers altogether and fly 100% of long haul and short haul. I simply don't want to risk having any trip I have planned disrupted by BASSA supporters. If BASSA win any form of concessions in this dispute at all, BA may as well hand over the keys. Becuase, if they can't win this dispute in this financial climate with the level of support from the public and the rest of BA now they have no chance in the future.
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The last paragraph of that Bloomberg story says it all:
I suspect there are more than a few BASSA members already thinking exactly that. Their actions have been utterly futile.
And still we wait to hear how many reps have actually lost ST or instead have dodged the bullet by sneaking into work or feigning illness!
“If BA continues to recruit more people on different terms they’re going to have more options for being able to cover any future industrial action,” said Marshall-James’s Cook, who doesn’t advise British Airways. “The cabin crew will find almost that the world has passed them by.”
And still we wait to hear how many reps have actually lost ST or instead have dodged the bullet by sneaking into work or feigning illness!
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Interesting comments from Mr. Walsh courtesy of Reuters:
Very good news for BA employees from all divisions.
BA's Walsh to guarantee flights if new strike | Reuters
"If in case of a strike 100 percent of flights will, as we believe, be guaranteed, British (Airways) will not only not lose money it will end up saving," Walsh told Il Sole 24 Ore.
BA's Walsh to guarantee flights if new strike | Reuters
Very interesting snippet from your link there Diplome:
(emphasis added)
I wonder if he's anticipating further reducing costs by (for instance) sacking staff who participate in future illegal strikes?
"In terms of annual savings the benefit to the company is 65 million pounds per year. For now," Walsh said.
I wonder if he's anticipating further reducing costs by (for instance) sacking staff who participate in future illegal strikes?
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Interesting to read on the BACityFlyer website that they are looking to recruit cabin crew at LCY on a starting salary of £11083 pa plus £1750 London Weighting plus £2.20 per hour flight pay.
By my calculations this equates to a higher overall starting salary than that of New Fleet.
Seems like a better deal to me for flying only SH or am I missing something?
By my calculations this equates to a higher overall starting salary than that of New Fleet.
Seems like a better deal to me for flying only SH or am I missing something?
AO
...... "Socialist Worker, a rather nasty organisation who appear to have taken a role in this dispute". ..... "if balpa are dealing with them, I fell "(sic.) "sorry for their members."
