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Old 16th Sep 2010, 16:58
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Any colour but yellow, white lilies perhaps?

Interesting to read his perception of his most recent employer:-
The injustice that is out there at present is incredible and we must keep going, fighting the fight against what I beleive to be an utterly corrupt ruthless company with no morals.
How do you suppose he came to that conclusion?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:02
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Rumors

The rumors of its death have been exaggerated. Or mis-stated, or?

With thanks to Mr Clemens
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:13
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I'm looking forward to being flown to Nairobi on Sunday (1st class thanks to BA's oneway upgrade offer ) by "an utterly corrupt ruthless company with no morals"

ISTR that Mrs Holley is a BA CC. I do hope she's not on my flight if she shares her husband's stated view of her employers
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:30
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Take a white lily just in case. If she's there, and actually working, she might appreciate the gesture. Other gestures might be deemed harassment.

Awww ... bless. I feel a rant coming on. I'd better go and have a bath.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 17:47
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I feel a faint inclination to support "The Bedfont One" with a cash donation.
I have some odd foreign coins in a drawer somewhere.

Oh ... bit tricky to carry that through Security. Sorry Duncan.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 18:35
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Oh, bitchy bitchy
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 18:38
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Would someone with legal knowledge tell us what charge or charges DH could face, and what are the possible penalties. Could punitive damages be included?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 18:41
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1. Oh, please read Post 2642 on the other Thread. It nearly cost me another keyboard!

2. @ NR ... ISTR could be up to 2 years, but it depends on what, if anything, DH is charged with ... He being a completely innocent person until the Court [not BA] decides otherwise.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 18:59
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Bloody Hell, Baggers ... you have a complex mind!!

I could guess that 'stern words would be spoken' but I do agree that the upcoming "Winter of Discontent Mark II" doesn't need Holley as the Fairy on the Christmas Tree.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 19:38
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Or, as one of my sainted bosses used to scream when something blew up publicly:
Or, as I said to my last Boss before I retired, "Sir, shouting at me doesn't alter my opinion." I enjoyed that moment, deeply. He'd been my instructor some 25 years previously, and we fell out over a technical issue ... I complained to the Course Commander.

Some people are just 'natural shouters'. How are things at Farnborough these days?
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 19:41
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Baggersup, it's not down to the government to decide. They will have no say whatsoever - and not just because they aren't supposed to, but because legal people have a nasty habit of screaming to the press at the first sign of political interference. It's happened before when the government were daft enough to venture an opinion. The CPS will decide themselves.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 20:23
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Holley seems to have lost his marbles from reading his latest rant, which includes............
BA has mounted a full frontal assault on Unite by what it is doing to the members and the reps and, to my mind, UNITE have been pretty toothless in response. They now have to wake up and smell the coffee. It is all very well sending umpteen reminders for us to vote for Milliwhatsit but, what is the point if back at the coal face (ie the front line)
So not only does he want to screw BA, he wants to take Unite with him. (I'm almost tempted to support him, just to see the end of Woodley et al. Well, maybe not!)
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 21:20
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It appears the poll to determine if members were willing to have their dues increased by 5 lbs did not go so well.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 23:24
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May I ask a quick question? Now that Duncan Holley has been interviewed by the Police, can the CPS, when deciding whether they should take action, take into account any further communications from him in regards to the dispute? His writing remains aggressive and comments such as...

Was going to finish off with a "they'll never take me alive" sort of sentiment but in this day and age don't want to tempt fate. At least not with the thugs BA employ nowadays.
...are surely bordering on the limit. (I wanted to say defamation but I can't remember if thats the correct word and my mind has gone blank!) Would his solicitor not have advised him that for the moment he needs to be extremely careful? Or is it the case that once the interview has been completed, only things that were said during that time can be used to make the decision?

Apologies for asking but I am not familiar with the law in these circumstances and I thought I would be more likely to find someone on this thread that may have some knowledge of how these things work.
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Old 16th Sep 2010, 23:50
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pcat160

It appears the poll to determine if members were willing to have their dues increased by 5 lbs did not go so well.
lbs is a unit of weight

Do you expect us to take your post seriously?

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Old 17th Sep 2010, 03:48
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Other side of the pond, different keyboard. Please tell me how to be more appropriate, --s h---.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 05:51
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5 pounds is ok._ Also GBP5._ A fiver is also ok.

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Old 17th Sep 2010, 08:03
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This is all about damage control now and getting staff travel back for our members
If this is correct, then why didn't Unite just accept the recent offer that included return of staff travel (albeit with reduced seniority)? I can't see why BA will improve this aspect of their offer.

Unite seem to be fighting the wrong battle here. They currently have very limited influence on the process for transferring work to New Fleet. Once in New Fleet, they seem to have very little scope for organising the workforce. If BA wants to play hardball it can just treat New Fleet as a separate bargaining unit can't it? And then make Unite jump through all the hoops to force recognition via the statutory route as opposed to a voluntary recognition agreement. Meanwhile they could do a deal with someone more amenable than Unite to grant them recognition voluntarily in New Fleet, thereby creating a bit of healthy competition to win members, ie more likely to be much more emphasis on member interests and input as opposed to the current top down management style employed by BASSA.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 08:21
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Now that Duncan Holley has been interviewed by the Police, can the CPS, when deciding whether they should take action, take into account any further communications from him in regards to the dispute?
Does anyone actually know why Holley was questioned? I was under the impression that it was probably due to his threats against that non-striking CSD rather than his ongoing tirade against BA in general and WW (and lately BF) in particular.

However if it is the latter, the police certainly will take anything further he has to say on the subject into account - and he would have been cautioned in that regard.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 10:36
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Anyone know what was said?

On the old DH front, I note he still maintains that it was and is BA 'bullying' and general thuggery that got him summoned to the nick.

Fails to mention that it was undoubtably on the back of a complaint made by a staff member about DH's behaviour and electronic communications with the individual concerned. I would say that BA had a duty of care to support that individual against DH's diatribes.

Anyway, DH keeps mentioning a taunting thread that the person started on the BASSA forum that kicked the whole thing off. Has anyone had an eye-ball of what was actually said in that initial posting/thread that was so awful that it was taunting other people?
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