BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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Interesting. When Willie Walsh first said he'd remove the travel perks, the message from the strike camp was that a) he couldn't or wouldn't and b) they weren't much good anyway as you could get a firm seat for less with the low cost carriers.
Now it's the main thing stopping them from accepting what is basically the same deal they went on strike over in the first place.
Now it's the main thing stopping them from accepting what is basically the same deal they went on strike over in the first place.
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In other news: BA cabin crew strike - live updates | Business | guardian.co.uk
In other news: BA cabin crew strike - live updates | Business | guardian.co.uk
12.41pm:
Woodley and Simpson have changed their plans. They were due to address the strike rally, but not anymore according to Dan Milmo who is at the strike HQ at Bedfont football club.
Woodley and Simpson have changed their plans. They were due to address the strike rally, but not anymore according to Dan Milmo who is at the strike HQ at Bedfont football club.
Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, the unite joint general secretaries, will not be attending the strike HQ at bedfont today, which has not drawn the attendance levels of the weekend March strikes. The weather and the fact it is Monday account for this, union officials say.
The 15 days of strikes will be a fundamental test of support for the strike, because it is expected to give every one of unite's 11,000 cabin crew members the opportunity to walk out. Or, crucially, to carry on working. Union officials say they will be able to gauge support for the first wave of strikes by Friday.
"These strikes will determine whether people are willing to carry on with this dispute," said one official."
The 15 days of strikes will be a fundamental test of support for the strike, because it is expected to give every one of unite's 11,000 cabin crew members the opportunity to walk out. Or, crucially, to carry on working. Union officials say they will be able to gauge support for the first wave of strikes by Friday.
"These strikes will determine whether people are willing to carry on with this dispute," said one official."
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"These strikes will determine whether people are willing to carry on with this dispute," said one official."
Our members have decided to go back to work and not pursue their legitimate claim. Whilst we fervently believe that the claim is valid and appropriate, our job is to support our members so - if they have decided to not continue with the action, then we shall support them all the way.
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Too hot to strike!
"Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, the unite joint general secretaries, will not be attending the strike HQ at bedfont today, which has not drawn the attendance levels of the weekend March strikes. The weather and the fact it is Monday account for this, union officials say."
The weather is too nice for strikers to go to Bedfont ..... one of the most bizarre reasons for a lack of support for a strike that I think I've ever heard.
I just hope for the sake of the professional Cabin Crew who are considering their next move that they realise that BASSA have got this horribly wrong. They can't even fill a bus of supporters. Flights are going as planned. Support amongst passengers, work colleagues and even the press is fading rapidly. The union is even starting to turn on itself following the events of Saturday .... it is time to wake up to reality and, no matter how hard it might be, to accept that while you are now worse off than six months ago and have a worse deal on the table, the options are to either lose more money (and possibly at a later stage your job) or accept what is available now. It is extremely sad that so many professional and no doubt loyal BA cabin crew have ended up fighting not for their own jobs \ benefits but for the ego of the BASSA and Unite union leaders. Leaders who will still have comfy jobs at the end of this dispute.
It is now just a matter of how much striking cabin crew want to continue to lose as the strike crumbles.
The weather is too nice for strikers to go to Bedfont ..... one of the most bizarre reasons for a lack of support for a strike that I think I've ever heard.
I just hope for the sake of the professional Cabin Crew who are considering their next move that they realise that BASSA have got this horribly wrong. They can't even fill a bus of supporters. Flights are going as planned. Support amongst passengers, work colleagues and even the press is fading rapidly. The union is even starting to turn on itself following the events of Saturday .... it is time to wake up to reality and, no matter how hard it might be, to accept that while you are now worse off than six months ago and have a worse deal on the table, the options are to either lose more money (and possibly at a later stage your job) or accept what is available now. It is extremely sad that so many professional and no doubt loyal BA cabin crew have ended up fighting not for their own jobs \ benefits but for the ego of the BASSA and Unite union leaders. Leaders who will still have comfy jobs at the end of this dispute.
It is now just a matter of how much striking cabin crew want to continue to lose as the strike crumbles.
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“Too hot to strike”
Can these be the same people that made me watch their “something inside so strong” video where they compared themselves to the likes of Nelson Mandella, or indeed I believe that it’s rather warm in Iwo Jima – these tough BASSA people buckle because it’s a sunny day..!
Can these be the same people that made me watch their “something inside so strong” video where they compared themselves to the likes of Nelson Mandella, or indeed I believe that it’s rather warm in Iwo Jima – these tough BASSA people buckle because it’s a sunny day..!
Interesting. When Willie Walsh first said he'd remove the travel perks, the message from the strike camp was that a) he couldn't or wouldn't and b) they weren't much good anyway as you could get a firm seat for less with the low cost carriers.
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At this point I think its time that the PCCC to make a move and step out into the public eye.
At some point you have to declare yourself a leader if you wish to lead.
If they are perceived as a fledging organization that will only step out when its absolutely safe they will have difficulties in recruiting, and rightfully so.
While I understand their delay now would not be a bad time to say "This is who we are and we are willing to talk". It would be good for not only the PCCC and fellow crewmembers but would also be a positive for BA.
At some point you have to declare yourself a leader if you wish to lead.
If they are perceived as a fledging organization that will only step out when its absolutely safe they will have difficulties in recruiting, and rightfully so.
While I understand their delay now would not be a bad time to say "This is who we are and we are willing to talk". It would be good for not only the PCCC and fellow crewmembers but would also be a positive for BA.
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staff travel is a profit generating department of BA as a whole. Would those in the know please enlighten me how this might be so ?
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I hate to tell you that this was discussed in detail earlier in this thread.Only 1,800 posts to check. 
... met with the reply that staff travel is a profit generating department of BA as a whole. Would those in the know please enlighten me how this might be so ?
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They have offered to return staff travel to cabin crew who lost it by taking part in the previous strikes, once the deal has been implemented in full. By the way, although people pay a booking fee, staff travel costs the company money as we not only pay for the incidental costs associated with travel we also pick up the tax liabilities as the perk is regarded by the Inland Revenue as taxable.
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Walsh hits the nail on the head again:
Amen to that!
Asked if his own position might be at risk because of the long-running dispute and its effect on morale among BA's 38,000 staff, Walsh said: "It is absolute nonsense. I am doing what previous chief executives should have done and I am doing that with great determination and fantastic support from BA staff."
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Would those in the know please enlighten me how this might be so ?
Staff can also buy 'Hotline' tickets for friends and family (no age or relationship restrictions). Hotline fares are firm commercial tickets sold at discounted prices. BA makes money on Hotline fares as the amount of discount relates to the booked load on that flight and the possibility of selling the seats elsewhere.
The ability to book Hotline fares has not been removed from the strikers.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I am in no way connected with aviation, whether operator or client.
I have observed these threads from the very beginning, both here and on the cabincrew forum, but finally, have become so inscenced(sp) with the 'one cell' diatribes and utter foolishness that I have read/witnessed, that I finally need to ask one or two fundamental questions.
The catalyst for this was listenning to 'linda', lower case on purpose, on the 'fascinating' Vine programme on radio 2 this day.
Setting aside the BBC left bias, this woman declared that she had to disguise here identity, by using a false name. She is a BASSA member and a strike advocate and was bleating about bullying and intimidation, which left me momenterily speechless, unusual for me. To date, I have not heard one syllable from the non strikers, defending their position.
My points/ questions are as follows and I would really appreciate some sensible answers from both sides of the arguement.
Why has it not yet been made plain/obvious, the reasons behind the progenitor for this strike in the media? To wit, the imposition of the reduction of ONE crew member on a flight, remembering that Bassa have refused to negotiate for around 18 months.
Why is it that the media has not actually put the facts straight, that the bullying and intimadation has originated from militant Bassa members?
I guess that will do for now, but my opinion currently is, that it is high time that the PCCC came out of the woodwork and laid claim to the high ground and provided the media with some hard 'accurate' facts about the Bassa CSD's.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
James.
I have observed these threads from the very beginning, both here and on the cabincrew forum, but finally, have become so inscenced(sp) with the 'one cell' diatribes and utter foolishness that I have read/witnessed, that I finally need to ask one or two fundamental questions.
The catalyst for this was listenning to 'linda', lower case on purpose, on the 'fascinating' Vine programme on radio 2 this day.
Setting aside the BBC left bias, this woman declared that she had to disguise here identity, by using a false name. She is a BASSA member and a strike advocate and was bleating about bullying and intimidation, which left me momenterily speechless, unusual for me. To date, I have not heard one syllable from the non strikers, defending their position.
My points/ questions are as follows and I would really appreciate some sensible answers from both sides of the arguement.
Why has it not yet been made plain/obvious, the reasons behind the progenitor for this strike in the media? To wit, the imposition of the reduction of ONE crew member on a flight, remembering that Bassa have refused to negotiate for around 18 months.
Why is it that the media has not actually put the facts straight, that the bullying and intimadation has originated from militant Bassa members?
I guess that will do for now, but my opinion currently is, that it is high time that the PCCC came out of the woodwork and laid claim to the high ground and provided the media with some hard 'accurate' facts about the Bassa CSD's.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
James.
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Question about ST and costs
Does ST tickets cover the taxes the rest of the travelling public pay? I ask because I have seen figures banded around that do not make sense if you put the various taxes on top of them.
Anyone know?
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Anyone know?
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James, its an enduring puzzle to most long time contributors to this thread why the media cannot see through BASSA's lies.
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ST & Costs
The staff member pays the taxes, the ticket part is discounted price.
EG
LON-PAR Adult 1 Fare £14.00 Tax £33.97 Total £47.97
Select the currency you wish to be billed in: GBP USD Total (GBP) 47.97
EG
LON-PAR Adult 1 Fare £14.00 Tax £33.97 Total £47.97
Select the currency you wish to be billed in: GBP USD Total (GBP) 47.97
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ChicoG, I can assure you sir, that I am not a journalist looking for dirt/anything. I am retired, having spent most of my life in the Royal Air Force and thence BAE Systems. I am just somewhat perplexed that BOTH sides of the arguement have not had equal media time. For myself, my support is firmly with the 'quality' cabincrew NOT striking.
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Staff Travel taxes
Rocco, even when I fly on my 'free' ticket which I get once a year as a long-serving but retired employee, I have to pay taxes. My trip to South America cost me over £200 even though the ticket was 'free'. ID90 (nominally 90% discounted) tickets have to pay the same taxes as SLF pay.
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ChicoG, I can assure you sir, that I am not a journalist looking for dirt/anything.