BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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Bring it on BASSA!
I am confident that Willie and his army of volunteers, plus thousands of CC who will not strike, will achieve over 90% of services despatched.
Besides, I want to see a photo of Fincastle 84 in his new uniform!
I am confident that Willie and his army of volunteers, plus thousands of CC who will not strike, will achieve over 90% of services despatched.
Besides, I want to see a photo of Fincastle 84 in his new uniform!
I too have a long haul booking on the strike dates, I thought BA would refund anyway under the circumstances. It will NOT stop me booking BA in the future either.
I've got a LH booking that gets me back on the morning of the 18th. Booked SH trips could be more interesting May 25 - 28, June 6 -11, June 20 - 28 and June 30 - July 2.
We will see what happens. But I remember in the magazine 'The Engineer',
some years ago, they interviewed a hatchet man who sorted out companies that were in trouble. He said that if you had to save money, you should start chopping the people at the top. This was because each head chopped there saved more, and these were the people who got the company into the mess anyway. WW might want to remember that......it's noticeable that BA have been 'saving' on little things like hot towels and minimising meals on SH. One CC told me that this was effectively to get Club Europe to subsidise low economy fares to keep planes filled......
But I'm still waiting for the reply to my letter of April 20, wanting compensation for a flight last time in which in Club Class, it was a charter aircraft so normal economy seat, no meal, no champagne, so no difference to economy. So far, they've sent a refusal and a voucher for £30. Thanks to Pprune, we have the details of the rules.........
We will see what happens. But I remember in the magazine 'The Engineer',
some years ago, they interviewed a hatchet man who sorted out companies that were in trouble. He said that if you had to save money, you should start chopping the people at the top. This was because each head chopped there saved more, and these were the people who got the company into the mess anyway. WW might want to remember that......it's noticeable that BA have been 'saving' on little things like hot towels and minimising meals on SH. One CC told me that this was effectively to get Club Europe to subsidise low economy fares to keep planes filled......
But I'm still waiting for the reply to my letter of April 20, wanting compensation for a flight last time in which in Club Class, it was a charter aircraft so normal economy seat, no meal, no champagne, so no difference to economy. So far, they've sent a refusal and a voucher for £30. Thanks to Pprune, we have the details of the rules.........
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Can BA lodge an injuction against this wave of strikes based upon the fact that the voted mandate for IA was on imposition and there is no voted mandate for IA based upon ST or discipline hearings.....?
That could be interesting....
That could be interesting....
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Can BA lodge an injuction against this wave of strikes based upon the fact that the voted mandate for IA was on imposition and there is no voted mandate for IA based upon ST or discipline hearings.....?
Unite is also intending to hold a further industrial action ballot of BA cabin crew over issues which have arisen from the company’s conduct during the dispute.
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If the company issue new CC contracts under the 90 day SOSR do they have to wait 90 days or could they tell CC to sign the next time they come into work and if they don't they get 90 days basic pay? If they did this would BA be able to begin recruiting onto new fleet terms immediately?
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I'm banned from posting on the BAvBASSA thread because the mods think that despite a lifetime in aviation, and being the partner of a long serving BA crew member that I do not qualify. That is their, the MODs problem.
But, others except the direct employees of BA are affected by this, in no mean manner, they are affected very much indeed.
All I can say is that to go on strike now is utter maddness, folly of the most base nature.
Delete my post, do what the hell you like with it, but there are others out there who have now had enough.
All the best
But, others except the direct employees of BA are affected by this, in no mean manner, they are affected very much indeed.
All I can say is that to go on strike now is utter maddness, folly of the most base nature.
Delete my post, do what the hell you like with it, but there are others out there who have now had enough.
All the best
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Delighted to learn that my next 4 flights fall within planned strike dates. This means travelling with Non militant CC and committed VCC, I remain 110% confident that BA will operate all of the long haul flights as indeed was my experience last time.
I think the strikers will soon get a very strong message fron the airline and Pax - "No longer required"
It must be quite a low when you fire your best shot and the intended victim doesn't even notice.
I think the strikers will soon get a very strong message fron the airline and Pax - "No longer required"
It must be quite a low when you fire your best shot and the intended victim doesn't even notice.
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sussex2:
I can't imagine anyone deleting your post on this thread.
As an individual on retainer by two U.S. airlines I will admit to being tempted to post when I see rather inane representations being made by individuals on the CC thread. I've also seen, and continue to see individuals post who's connection with BA is tenuous to be generous.
But, it is important that we recognize that the Site Administrators are trying to preserve a certain atmosphere in the CC thread..though I will be amused at a few of the posters who I quite recall what their "association" to actual CC is.
My personal view is that, despite temptation, despite others' rather poor behavior, I will respect the site's rules and try to operate under the forum's rules.
That being said, my heaven's there are times I truly wish to engage with those quite deluded regarding contract law, the cost of your designated representatives being quite too verbal, and what specific threats might get lost in the rhetoric of a rather verbose call to arms.
I can't imagine anyone deleting your post on this thread.
As an individual on retainer by two U.S. airlines I will admit to being tempted to post when I see rather inane representations being made by individuals on the CC thread. I've also seen, and continue to see individuals post who's connection with BA is tenuous to be generous.
But, it is important that we recognize that the Site Administrators are trying to preserve a certain atmosphere in the CC thread..though I will be amused at a few of the posters who I quite recall what their "association" to actual CC is.
My personal view is that, despite temptation, despite others' rather poor behavior, I will respect the site's rules and try to operate under the forum's rules.
That being said, my heaven's there are times I truly wish to engage with those quite deluded regarding contract law, the cost of your designated representatives being quite too verbal, and what specific threats might get lost in the rhetoric of a rather verbose call to arms.
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Flying on the 'in-between strike' days
Sorry for asking a very selfish question but here goes...
I'm booked to fly to Barcelona from LHR with my family on Saturday 29th May on BA. Now technically this isn't a strike day but what do you think my chances are of getting this flight as it's between the second and third strikes?
Thanks!
As for the strike itself, I know far less than many people on this forum but as a random punter I've lost any patience I may have had with the union if only because it's so difficult to work out what they actually want.
And for those in the union that say:
Would you accept it if you were enjoying X amount of money / great terms and conditions and one day the powers that be award themselves massive bonuses and say "by the way we want you to earn less money and work harder from now on - ok??"
Well the answer is that if I was that annoyed by it I'd leave and go somewhere that paid better and had better conditions. Oh, hang on a minute......
I'm booked to fly to Barcelona from LHR with my family on Saturday 29th May on BA. Now technically this isn't a strike day but what do you think my chances are of getting this flight as it's between the second and third strikes?
Thanks!
As for the strike itself, I know far less than many people on this forum but as a random punter I've lost any patience I may have had with the union if only because it's so difficult to work out what they actually want.
And for those in the union that say:
Would you accept it if you were enjoying X amount of money / great terms and conditions and one day the powers that be award themselves massive bonuses and say "by the way we want you to earn less money and work harder from now on - ok??"
Well the answer is that if I was that annoyed by it I'd leave and go somewhere that paid better and had better conditions. Oh, hang on a minute......
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I don't think that BA will be able to 'hire' many aircraft from other airlines during the next series of strikes now that the summer season has started. I wonder how that will impact the number of short haul flights that will be cancelled particularly those that feed to their LHR hub and the subsequent impact on their long haul services.
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One can only assume you are kidding, or have not seen the list of even European only airlines that have gone out of business. Aircraft are not going to be a problem.
Wet leasing may be, but the travel market is still depressed by mass unemployment across the European zone, so I don't think that will be so much of a problem either.
And then we get on to the "non-striking strikers", volunteers and new hires.
I don't see any problem; this strike will probably be less effective than the last, and may weed out much more of the useless BASSA flotsam and jetsam.
Wet leasing may be, but the travel market is still depressed by mass unemployment across the European zone, so I don't think that will be so much of a problem either.
And then we get on to the "non-striking strikers", volunteers and new hires.
I don't see any problem; this strike will probably be less effective than the last, and may weed out much more of the useless BASSA flotsam and jetsam.
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Just wanted to say, Good luck to all CC during this difficult period - try and stay strong.
The rest of them can go to hell frankly. The don't deserve the job.
I'm sure BA management and the board are looking at creative ways of separating the two and treating them accordingly.
Good luck also to the VCC who will be going that extra mile to help their rational and sensible cabin crew colleagues out.
The travelling public I am sure are 100% behind those that actually care about their customers.
I say well done to all of you!
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Originally Posted by ChicoG
or have not seen the list of even European only airlines that have gone out of business. Aircraft are not going to be a problem.
Secondly, to remove ANY doubts, we effectively have a continual 20 day stoppage by these c/crew. It would be impossible for BA to 'recover' any sort of schedules with a 1 day break. The only way they will operate is with the 'volunteers' and the remaining non- striking crew - and I'm sure that will work well. In my opinion this strike needs to 'come on' in full and matters can come to a head and be properly lanced.
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The travelling public I am sure are 100% behind those that actually care about their customers.
I say well done to all of you!
I say well done to all of you!
All I can say is that I hold nothing but comtempt to the union and members who are on what seems to be a career suicide pact. It appears that Unite/BASSA are following their own agenda and have little interest in the plight of its members, let alone the fare paying passengers and other BA staff.
I am in limbo until BA decide whether my flights are cancelled. I'm due to fly in 2 weeks and return the following week. Both flights impacted by this action. I live in hope that common sense prevails, but common sense and Unite/BASSA aren't a combination that works.
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The media keep reporting that the cabin crew have voted for more strike action. This is not true, they have voted to reject the latest offer.
However, the latest offer is worse than the one that was imposed on them last year, which did not involve any pay cuts. Why would any Gatwick crew vote for this offer, as the crew reduction of the original 'offer' didn't affect them.
Could it be that the vote to reject the latest offer is actually a vote to remain with the present situation (the CSD having to work, but no pay cuts), rather than to support strike action?
Dave
However, the latest offer is worse than the one that was imposed on them last year, which did not involve any pay cuts. Why would any Gatwick crew vote for this offer, as the crew reduction of the original 'offer' didn't affect them.
Could it be that the vote to reject the latest offer is actually a vote to remain with the present situation (the CSD having to work, but no pay cuts), rather than to support strike action?
Dave