Emergency Procedures.
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I've always counted the seats to the exits in front and behind me (you never know which end will be burning), but I must confess to occasionally ignoring the safety briefing. This ignorance stopped when I noticed that SAS lifjackets have different strap fasteners to other lifejackets and I hadn't paid attention to how they were fastened. Now I ALWAYS pay attention.
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I must confess to ignoring the safety briefings too – as one of the “suits” referred to, I you’re constantly travelling on the same plane to the same destination (typically short haul, weekly commute), you know the drill for the plane you’re on.
When travelling on unfamiliar routes/planes, I do check the safety card for the exits. I’ve never counted rows, but I think I will from now on. No one has mentioned the floor lighting, have any of you who have experienced “real sims” found it useful? I’ll be checking for a vest too…
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When travelling on unfamiliar routes/planes, I do check the safety card for the exits. I’ve never counted rows, but I think I will from now on. No one has mentioned the floor lighting, have any of you who have experienced “real sims” found it useful? I’ll be checking for a vest too…
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Back to the top, given recent events in Miami, as described at
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/011132.html
What got my attention (and has me
) is this, from a Miami Herald article posted by SKYDRIFTER:
"Those who didn't know how to use the chutes went head first, witnesses said."
Just one minute, just one effing minute!!! No, I cannot ever remember having been told to slide feet first. I can't even remember reading anything about sliding feet first. But what I do remember, and is (or should be) bloody obvious, even to the *illiterate*, is the picture in the safety information card in the seat front pocket, the same picture that I believe was in *every* safety card I have ever seen - the one that clearly shows people going *feet first* down the evacuation slides.
Any bets on whether anyone who suffered certain *specific* injuries (say to hands, arms, or face) as a result of sliding head first, an action which appears to have been the result of his or her own *stupidity*, will sue the maker of the aircraft and/or the airline because of these injuries? Grrrrrr.
My sympathy goes out the colleagues, family and friends of the purser on the flight.
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/011132.html
What got my attention (and has me
) is this, from a Miami Herald article posted by SKYDRIFTER:"Those who didn't know how to use the chutes went head first, witnesses said."
Just one minute, just one effing minute!!! No, I cannot ever remember having been told to slide feet first. I can't even remember reading anything about sliding feet first. But what I do remember, and is (or should be) bloody obvious, even to the *illiterate*, is the picture in the safety information card in the seat front pocket, the same picture that I believe was in *every* safety card I have ever seen - the one that clearly shows people going *feet first* down the evacuation slides.
Any bets on whether anyone who suffered certain *specific* injuries (say to hands, arms, or face) as a result of sliding head first, an action which appears to have been the result of his or her own *stupidity*, will sue the maker of the aircraft and/or the airline because of these injuries? Grrrrrr.
My sympathy goes out the colleagues, family and friends of the purser on the flight.
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I submit that us (in the business) flying in the cabin are not role models for the pax. I do many flights a year in aircraft I know, different configurations included. I check what specific aircraft I'm booked on, what snags and what MEL's are logged. I count seat tops to nearest exit, I know where my life jacket is, I know how to don O2 mask, I know how to open doors/exits if required. I check that the seat safety card is there in the pocket (MOT requirement). And I can fasten a seatbelt.After several hundred flights, I watch the FA's safety demonstration if she's cute.
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Pax domina,
As an FA with a major UK carrier your post reminds me of our manual and training, it says: A slide will accept passengers side on, face down or head first with little or no discomfort.
In an emergency situation if evacuation is required then our training is that we must evacuate in the shortest possible time, therefore I would not interfere with a passenger who looked like they would jump head first out of the door. I only wish that all passengers displayed the common sense that you do.
More relative to this thread, My airline usually carries out the emergency procedures through the video system, with the cabin crew pointing out exits at the appropriate time. I have noticed however that passengers seem to pay far more attention if the demonstration is carried out live. Also pax seem to pay far more attention when there has been a publicised accident, its just unfortunate that it takes a tragedy for people to take notice.
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As an FA with a major UK carrier your post reminds me of our manual and training, it says: A slide will accept passengers side on, face down or head first with little or no discomfort.
In an emergency situation if evacuation is required then our training is that we must evacuate in the shortest possible time, therefore I would not interfere with a passenger who looked like they would jump head first out of the door. I only wish that all passengers displayed the common sense that you do.
More relative to this thread, My airline usually carries out the emergency procedures through the video system, with the cabin crew pointing out exits at the appropriate time. I have noticed however that passengers seem to pay far more attention if the demonstration is carried out live. Also pax seem to pay far more attention when there has been a publicised accident, its just unfortunate that it takes a tragedy for people to take notice.
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Once things have quietened down a bit after boarding, I usually take a quick walk towards the rear of the a/c to look at the door & see how it opens. (I check the nearest door forward as I walked past it)
On the last flight I took, one of the cabin crew asked me what I was looking at, so I told her. Strangely enough, I didn't get a strange look.
Mik
-- 20-odd years ago I was in a hall of residence which had a very minor fire. Seeing and experiencing the panic caused by the smoke was highly education.
On the last flight I took, one of the cabin crew asked me what I was looking at, so I told her. Strangely enough, I didn't get a strange look.
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-- 20-odd years ago I was in a hall of residence which had a very minor fire. Seeing and experiencing the panic caused by the smoke was highly education.
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I have to say that there is one thing that I have always thought strange about this whole issue of paying attention to the safety briefing. We (the airlines) ask our cabin crew to hand out a newspaper to the passengers and then ask them to "pay careful attention to the following safety briefing".
If you want their attention, don't give 'em a paper first!
If you want their attention, don't give 'em a paper first!
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I have to admit, being a relatively frequent flyer, although I stop reading or whatever I am doing, I will always try to listen to the safety brief, but invariably switch off and become a little complecant. I do however look at the card, and I also have a quick feel to see if there is a lifejacket still under my seat. I do know what to do, and how to open the doors etc if I needed to, and I listen attentively on new aircraft types or configerations. I also think others may pay more attention if they are sitting next to somebody who is at least looking in the direction of the cabin crew.
In addition, I do know some crew who have not briefed me on escape if I have had to sit in the flightdeck. If I am in an Airbus, I do not know how to get out as it is not my aircraft type, and I appreciate even though knowing how to use it, being told where the oxygen is and how to put it on.
In addition, I do know some crew who have not briefed me on escape if I have had to sit in the flightdeck. If I am in an Airbus, I do not know how to get out as it is not my aircraft type, and I appreciate even though knowing how to use it, being told where the oxygen is and how to put it on.
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One of Nigel's lot made me very angry on the BA1383 yesterday! Fair enough, she was travelling as a passenger, but she was in her uniform, so very recognisable. She was sitting in seat 11B and had a large morning newspaper which she continued to read and wave in the air during the safety briefing!
By holding the paper up, she was obstructing the view for other passengers. All power to Chris the poor lady trying to actually deliver the briefing standing just abeam row 11. She took every opportunity to give 11B an icy stare, but to no avail.
This, in my view, is not the way to encourage passengers to pay attention!
By holding the paper up, she was obstructing the view for other passengers. All power to Chris the poor lady trying to actually deliver the briefing standing just abeam row 11. She took every opportunity to give 11B an icy stare, but to no avail.
This, in my view, is not the way to encourage passengers to pay attention!
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This thread reminds me of a flight long ago. While doing the 'safety dance' 2 business pax chatted away loudly and ingored my jewels of safety wisdom. They laughingly asked me after the demo if it bothered me that they ignored the demo. I told them'not at all, I know how to get out of this aircraft with my eyes closed'. Silence...a moment later they got out their safety cards as did several pax within earshot.
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I have to admit being like Lucifer. I am English, but live in the USA. I fly on approx 6 aircraft per month, usually with the same airlines/aircraft types. Despite knowing the safety briefing inside out and backwards, I always make a point of reading the card, checking to see if the life jacket is there and listening. I also count the rows to the nearest exit and make sure I would know how to open it. Why? We'll I'm not a nervous flyer - I love flying, but I have been involved in two emergencies, one of which got very hairy. Belive me - when we were told that there was a problem and we may have to evac immediately on landing, EVERYBODY started looking at their cards and asking the FA's questions - right at the point where they needed to sort out other things.
I know first hand what it is like under these circumstances and if I can give myself a better chance by paying attention for a couple of minutes at the start of each flight, I will.
If people don't want to pay attention, then I'm not going to feel quily about stepping over their dead bodies on my way out of the aircraft.
I know first hand what it is like under these circumstances and if I can give myself a better chance by paying attention for a couple of minutes at the start of each flight, I will.
If people don't want to pay attention, then I'm not going to feel quily about stepping over their dead bodies on my way out of the aircraft.
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If you want to save your sorry a$$, PAY ATTENTION to the briefing!! I have been a maintenance engineer for 13 years, and have flown all over the place, usually in the same types (DHC-8, BAe 146, 737). It pays to listen. In an ongoing attempt to increase your chance of survival in an incident, the briefing is, from time to time, modified. If things have changed since the last time you flew, HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?? I cannot stress the importance of this strongly enough.
Besides...its only polite to listen when someone is talking to you. It sends my wife into fits when she is talking to me and I have my nose stuck in a book!!
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"You want it on the gate for WNEN??"
Besides...its only polite to listen when someone is talking to you. It sends my wife into fits when she is talking to me and I have my nose stuck in a book!!
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MCT-AUH last night. Actually bumped up to 1st. Two Pilots sitting in Front of me from an airline which I won't name but if you re-arrange the words Air and Martin, then you'll have a good idea! They actually watched the video, Full marks! Bad marks though to the pilot who didn't nudge the Pax sitting next to him who read his newspaper all through the video.
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Wake me up when we get there
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Wake me up when we get there
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Distinctly remember flying from MCO to DCA on Air Florida the day after they lost one of their 737s into the river just after takeoff from DCA. You would have thought there was going to be one he** of a final exam because all paxs paid strict attention to the cabin brief, which was the best I have ever seen (included demo of lifejackets/cushons). Most paxs I saw checked to see there really was a life jacket under their seat. Maybe it was seeing the live TV of a pax giving the end of the rope from the hovering helicopter to the stewardess so she could be rescued before he went under the ice got people's attention a little.
After 25 years of flying commercial as pax I always count the seat backs, and should have a smoke hood (but don't), and always read the cards, look at the doors and try to give myself and family the best chance I can. And always give full attention to the brief. The subject of smoke hoods has been covered fairly thoroughly on another thread, but what sold me was after a meeting asking a cabin safety research fellow from the FAA Technical Center where they burn them for "fun" whether smoke hoods were any good. Ho opened his briefcase and showed me his. 'Nuff said.
After 25 years of flying commercial as pax I always count the seat backs, and should have a smoke hood (but don't), and always read the cards, look at the doors and try to give myself and family the best chance I can. And always give full attention to the brief. The subject of smoke hoods has been covered fairly thoroughly on another thread, but what sold me was after a meeting asking a cabin safety research fellow from the FAA Technical Center where they burn them for "fun" whether smoke hoods were any good. Ho opened his briefcase and showed me his. 'Nuff said.
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If so few are reading the safety card how about the same info being printed on the placemat that the meal comes out on, sure different for each a/c type but the fundermentals could go there & be a good refresher.
Magazines that I have read on board always come in a cover apply the same principle here
Magazines that I have read on board always come in a cover apply the same principle here
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I'm a reporter for Associated Press in Washington. I happen to be doing a story about whether people listen to the flight attendants' safety message at the beginning of each flight. If it would be alright to contact you, please send me an e-mail at [email protected]
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As a regular pax over 35 years, my response is like most of the others. I check the machine and type and if a regular, just keep a passing eye on the briefing.
I check exits for type and was interested to notice on the BD A320 last week that the over wing doors are hinged at the top and swing out and STAY, rather than having to be discarded. Sounds sensible as the hatch could damage someone or a raft.
However, I appear to be the only one commenting in this thread that DOES have a smoke hood!
My first was a flat pack type that would give minimal assistance but was all that was available in the early 90s (as I recall).
Earlier this year, I bought the Evac-U8 from the www.airsafe.com web site. This is a much more substantial device that will give 20 mins safe breathing. Onviously it is bulkier but I have it to hand in hotel rooms as well.
I also carry a torch, the slim metal MagiLite. They sit together in a bag at my feet to be got out together.
Another safety point? On a long haul, I never ease my shoes leave alone remove them, until we are established in the cruise. When we have to dash across hot tarmac (JNB and CPT for starters!) I do not want to have burned feet. Also, shoes will help me to climb over the backs of seats and leave a good imprint on the twits that are looking for someone to help them!!
I will secure my shoes as soon as we start the let down and be aware of the phase of flight and attitude of the a/c. I notice that many pax have no idea when the touch down is near. If it is a 'firmish' one (I know that no PPRuNer would make a hard landing!) they are jerked back to reality, often exclaiming out loud!!
If a problem is going to occur then we know that departure/landing is the most likely and I consider it a vital part of my safety (and that of any companion) to be aware as early as possible that something might be wrong.
Incidentally, when on the f/d if invited to sit in the j/seat - if they do not tell me about Oxygen and escape, I ask!
Safe Journey everyone!
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A window seat on the sunny side of the aircraft, please!
I check exits for type and was interested to notice on the BD A320 last week that the over wing doors are hinged at the top and swing out and STAY, rather than having to be discarded. Sounds sensible as the hatch could damage someone or a raft.
However, I appear to be the only one commenting in this thread that DOES have a smoke hood!
My first was a flat pack type that would give minimal assistance but was all that was available in the early 90s (as I recall).
Earlier this year, I bought the Evac-U8 from the www.airsafe.com web site. This is a much more substantial device that will give 20 mins safe breathing. Onviously it is bulkier but I have it to hand in hotel rooms as well.
I also carry a torch, the slim metal MagiLite. They sit together in a bag at my feet to be got out together.
Another safety point? On a long haul, I never ease my shoes leave alone remove them, until we are established in the cruise. When we have to dash across hot tarmac (JNB and CPT for starters!) I do not want to have burned feet. Also, shoes will help me to climb over the backs of seats and leave a good imprint on the twits that are looking for someone to help them!!
I will secure my shoes as soon as we start the let down and be aware of the phase of flight and attitude of the a/c. I notice that many pax have no idea when the touch down is near. If it is a 'firmish' one (I know that no PPRuNer would make a hard landing!) they are jerked back to reality, often exclaiming out loud!!
If a problem is going to occur then we know that departure/landing is the most likely and I consider it a vital part of my safety (and that of any companion) to be aware as early as possible that something might be wrong.
Incidentally, when on the f/d if invited to sit in the j/seat - if they do not tell me about Oxygen and escape, I ask!
Safe Journey everyone!
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Apart from the cost implication, my airline don't carry smoke hoods for passengers because, if they were needed, in the time it would take for everyone to locate and don them we'd have everyone off anyway. (90 seconds for 344 pax on 767 300 with only half the exits available)
As for pax not paying attention to briefings, being cabin crew it doesn't bother me, I'm sitting next to a door. When I fly as a passenger however, I always make sure whoever is likely to hinder my swift exit pays attention.
As for pax not paying attention to briefings, being cabin crew it doesn't bother me, I'm sitting next to a door. When I fly as a passenger however, I always make sure whoever is likely to hinder my swift exit pays attention.
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FB's reference to evacuating all the pax in 90 seconds through half the exits (the standard for certification, I know) reminds me of a comment from someone who is supposed to deal with these things for a living: he said, "Yes, the aircraft manufacturer needs to demonstrate getting everyone out through half the exits in 90 seconds, but the manufacturer gets to choose which exits he'll use."
Can anyone confirm that the choice of exits in certification tests lies with the manufacturer? Obviously if all the (say) starboard exits all down a 747's cabin are available, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to evacuate quickly than where for example the front exits are all u/s and everyone has to head for the back...
Can anyone confirm that the choice of exits in certification tests lies with the manufacturer? Obviously if all the (say) starboard exits all down a 747's cabin are available, it's going to be a hell of a lot easier to evacuate quickly than where for example the front exits are all u/s and everyone has to head for the back...
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FB, you say that cost is a reason for not having smoke hoods for every pax, as well as the fact that the a/c would be evacuated in 90 seconds. How about the fact that this thread deals with whether or not pax pay attention to the demo? Surely the pax who aren't paying enough attention to know how to get out of the a/c won't be helped by a smoke hood as they won't have been paying enough attention to work out how to use it.