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If you guys ever travel in the cabin with positioning aircrew, (cabin or flight crew) watch whether they pay attention. 99.9% do and they fly more frequently than any "well travelled passenger" It is both good manners and good sense!
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I always listen - partly because it might save my life and partly because the crew are doing it for my benefit (they already know how to get out in an emergency) and it seems only common courtesy.
I've seen a brief being stopped while the crew member went over to a pax and asked him to pay attention.
I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw years ago - an aircraft was falling out of the sky woth one wing hanging off. Coming from the flight deck was a speech bubble: "For those of you too bloody blase to listen the first time, I shall now repeat the safety announcement"
I've seen a brief being stopped while the crew member went over to a pax and asked him to pay attention.
I'm reminded of a cartoon I saw years ago - an aircraft was falling out of the sky woth one wing hanging off. Coming from the flight deck was a speech bubble: "For those of you too bloody blase to listen the first time, I shall now repeat the safety announcement"
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To be honest I don't think airlines really want to underline the possibility of an abnormal flight. Granted they do the minimum and the mandatory... a quick run down of the emergency exits... here's your drop down mask and then bingo hows about a glass of Evian while you stow your 4 stone Louis Vuitton trunkette in the bin above my crew seat.
Would passengers I wonder (rather than just taking our word for it) appreciate a printed 'reasons why' or 'further safety' card. Maybe how to tell whether your 02 mask is actually delivering the stuff, how to access it should it not deploy...why bags should not be placed behind the legs (Kegworth crash reports)...
Would passengers appreciate this or would it just be too much unpleasant information?
[ 21 July 2001: Message edited by: cabinkitten ]
Would passengers I wonder (rather than just taking our word for it) appreciate a printed 'reasons why' or 'further safety' card. Maybe how to tell whether your 02 mask is actually delivering the stuff, how to access it should it not deploy...why bags should not be placed behind the legs (Kegworth crash reports)...
Would passengers appreciate this or would it just be too much unpleasant information?
[ 21 July 2001: Message edited by: cabinkitten ]
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Hi Crepello,
Yes, the tip I was given is:
Pull the headrest material from your own seat (or that in front). Typically, they have only a strip of Velcro (Hook & Loop) fastening at the top edge, with the lower hanging down the seat.
Water, tea, coffee, whatever liquid you can grab will help. The material is often quite thin and so folding it double might be needed to provide a smaller mesh.
I doubt that there is enough material to tie it around the head and it will have to be held across mouth and nose by hand.
Although it can be a bit of a hassle always taking the smoke mask with me, I reckon that it is worth the hassle. IF the day comes when smoke fills the cabin - I know that it will happen very fast.
Yes, the tip I was given is:
Pull the headrest material from your own seat (or that in front). Typically, they have only a strip of Velcro (Hook & Loop) fastening at the top edge, with the lower hanging down the seat.
Water, tea, coffee, whatever liquid you can grab will help. The material is often quite thin and so folding it double might be needed to provide a smaller mesh.
I doubt that there is enough material to tie it around the head and it will have to be held across mouth and nose by hand.
Although it can be a bit of a hassle always taking the smoke mask with me, I reckon that it is worth the hassle. IF the day comes when smoke fills the cabin - I know that it will happen very fast.
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cabinkitten - I think that you are absolutely correct. Sadly.
Airlines will not make the risks more explicit unless forced - and that is not going to happen. Whilst they can point out that it is relatively safe, nothing is going to be done.
This week, The Independent (a UK daily newspaper of quality) had an article about the 4,500 people killed every year on the roads in France. Mainly because existing laws on drink, driving and speed are not enforced. On the same day it carried the news of the impending test flight of the Concorde. This was to fix the problem of the deaths of 109 people.
The problem is always the single death versus the multiple deaths. If the French motorists clubbed together and had a REALLY big car smash (say about a Jumbo's worth) then they might not die in vain.
Airlines will not make the risks more explicit unless forced - and that is not going to happen. Whilst they can point out that it is relatively safe, nothing is going to be done.
This week, The Independent (a UK daily newspaper of quality) had an article about the 4,500 people killed every year on the roads in France. Mainly because existing laws on drink, driving and speed are not enforced. On the same day it carried the news of the impending test flight of the Concorde. This was to fix the problem of the deaths of 109 people.
The problem is always the single death versus the multiple deaths. If the French motorists clubbed together and had a REALLY big car smash (say about a Jumbo's worth) then they might not die in vain.
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Over the years I have flown as SLF on several different aircraft types to many short-haul and long-haul destinations in both Business and Economy (not First yet!!). Like most in this thread, I pay attention to the safety brief and have counted rows and always ask for an aisle seat (this because I am large and long and like the leg room when in Economy). I have found that more people in Economy pay attention to safety briefings than in Business. In fact there have been many occasions (on British and other nationality airlines) when in Business I have made a point of putting down my book/magazine/newspaper and focussing on the brief to have people either side of me give me pitying looks and continue their reading. As a matter of courtesy to the cabin crew plus I value my own life, I will always pay attention to the brief and will, as I have a couple of times before, tell other SLF to "shush, I am trying to listen"!
On another note, also mentioned above, I really HATE when folks ignore the request to ensure cellphones are off. On one flight (in Business) I was heading for a Scandinavian country, the aircraft was taxying to the hold and the guy next to me had his cellphone ring. Instead of looking embarrassed (no, he wasn't Brit!) and turning it off, he answered the call. I just said, quite loudly, "excuse me but you need to turn your cellphone off"...he ignored me..I pressed the call button and fortunately the cabin crew who had been trying to ignore the situation (yes..I am serious.. a non-Brit airline and the cabin crew were ignoring this big-shot on his cellphone) came and asked him to turn the telephone off. He finished his call, glared at me without saying anything and as soon as we had taken off and the seatbelt sign went out he moved to another row (there were spare seats). I think I was the only female in Business that day, I was also I suspect the only Brit, and the number of bad looks I received was shocking. When the cabin staff came by with the menu cards I smiled and apologised for causing any problem, and he smiled back and said "thank you for your concern, it was no problem". I had asked to see the flightdeck (my usual, ask once and let it ride) and was invited up and found both the RHS and LHS delighted to meet the passenger who had enabled the cabin staff to deal with a cellphone issue. Apparently this airline has had a lot of difficulty in the past getting its Business passengers to turn phones off - being abusive to crew etc - but because I was an "equal" (well...I am not sure I was thought of that by the big-shots as I was in casual-smart clothes and not a suit) the cabin staff could deal with the issue! Needless to say my landing in Arlanda was in the best room in the house and I left with an airline carrier containing complimentary champagne and chocolates PLUS my bags were gotten from the bin and handed to me as I left the flight deck and I was first off the aircraft!!!
Interesting insight for me..maybe I have been naive in the past but it never occurred to me before that cabin (and flight deck) crew would NOT be in charge of the aircraft or have their requests ignored/challenged.
Despite no longer working in banking, I have since flown several times with the same airline and realise that boorish and unpleasant behaviour from Biz SLF is the norm...maybe when I was in banking I was too preoccupied with the reason for my trip to pay close attention (except for the safety brief)..I don't know.
Why is it that people whose lives are not much different, but who are being paid to fly, once on board begin to regard themselves as superior and cabin staff as "servants". How many of us, in this day an age, actually live in a house with servants?
On another note, also mentioned above, I really HATE when folks ignore the request to ensure cellphones are off. On one flight (in Business) I was heading for a Scandinavian country, the aircraft was taxying to the hold and the guy next to me had his cellphone ring. Instead of looking embarrassed (no, he wasn't Brit!) and turning it off, he answered the call. I just said, quite loudly, "excuse me but you need to turn your cellphone off"...he ignored me..I pressed the call button and fortunately the cabin crew who had been trying to ignore the situation (yes..I am serious.. a non-Brit airline and the cabin crew were ignoring this big-shot on his cellphone) came and asked him to turn the telephone off. He finished his call, glared at me without saying anything and as soon as we had taken off and the seatbelt sign went out he moved to another row (there were spare seats). I think I was the only female in Business that day, I was also I suspect the only Brit, and the number of bad looks I received was shocking. When the cabin staff came by with the menu cards I smiled and apologised for causing any problem, and he smiled back and said "thank you for your concern, it was no problem". I had asked to see the flightdeck (my usual, ask once and let it ride) and was invited up and found both the RHS and LHS delighted to meet the passenger who had enabled the cabin staff to deal with a cellphone issue. Apparently this airline has had a lot of difficulty in the past getting its Business passengers to turn phones off - being abusive to crew etc - but because I was an "equal" (well...I am not sure I was thought of that by the big-shots as I was in casual-smart clothes and not a suit) the cabin staff could deal with the issue! Needless to say my landing in Arlanda was in the best room in the house and I left with an airline carrier containing complimentary champagne and chocolates PLUS my bags were gotten from the bin and handed to me as I left the flight deck and I was first off the aircraft!!!
Interesting insight for me..maybe I have been naive in the past but it never occurred to me before that cabin (and flight deck) crew would NOT be in charge of the aircraft or have their requests ignored/challenged.
Despite no longer working in banking, I have since flown several times with the same airline and realise that boorish and unpleasant behaviour from Biz SLF is the norm...maybe when I was in banking I was too preoccupied with the reason for my trip to pay close attention (except for the safety brief)..I don't know.
Why is it that people whose lives are not much different, but who are being paid to fly, once on board begin to regard themselves as superior and cabin staff as "servants". How many of us, in this day an age, actually live in a house with servants?
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I'll admit that I only came over to read this thread as it was in R&N.
I am amazed, no, shocked at the BA safety video. It's nothing short of awful in my opinion.
It shows you all the procedures (which is good) other than one point. It follows one woman through the events. Nothing wrong with that, but at the point she needs to exit with the lifejacket on she's standing at top of the chute blowing into the jacket, blowing the whistle, checking the light and being generally very slow and more importantly an obstruction. I think BA should review this part.
Yes, I always listen to the annoucement and demonstration; always have done and have told a few people in front of me to put there papers down so I could see the demo - also have told a few people to switch of mobiles whilst we're taxying to the gate.
I'm sirprised at the different companies and the different demos. BA mainline show you to do the seatbelt as number 1, Brit Regional do it last....
I am amazed, no, shocked at the BA safety video. It's nothing short of awful in my opinion.
It shows you all the procedures (which is good) other than one point. It follows one woman through the events. Nothing wrong with that, but at the point she needs to exit with the lifejacket on she's standing at top of the chute blowing into the jacket, blowing the whistle, checking the light and being generally very slow and more importantly an obstruction. I think BA should review this part.
Yes, I always listen to the annoucement and demonstration; always have done and have told a few people in front of me to put there papers down so I could see the demo - also have told a few people to switch of mobiles whilst we're taxying to the gate.
I'm sirprised at the different companies and the different demos. BA mainline show you to do the seatbelt as number 1, Brit Regional do it last....
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I've decided to raise my head on this forum once more since the last time I posted here I was told as a pilot I couldn't possibly fly more than MIB does as a Pax 
As I position around Europe with work I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that most (I didn't say all) pax switch their brains, if not their mobiles off at passport control. I haven't seen one pax yet watching a safety brief when I position in civvies. When I position in uniform it is another matter altogether. I notice that as I sit and patiently watch the briefing, the pax around me all sheepishly stop what they are doing and listen.
However, no amount of uniform stops pax beside me leaving their mobiles on all flight and leaping up to grab their overweight bags while we taxi in.
Just to give an example of the amount of pax who listen, I once flew with captain to Germany who thought it hilarious that the English word for a certain weather condition meant 'poo' in German. He gave weather/'poo' updates every 10 minutes and the CC were almost wetting themselves laughing, and not one of the 60-odd German speaking pax we had even batted an eyelid. The dispatcher at the other end did though.
As I position around Europe with work I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that most (I didn't say all) pax switch their brains, if not their mobiles off at passport control. I haven't seen one pax yet watching a safety brief when I position in civvies. When I position in uniform it is another matter altogether. I notice that as I sit and patiently watch the briefing, the pax around me all sheepishly stop what they are doing and listen.
However, no amount of uniform stops pax beside me leaving their mobiles on all flight and leaping up to grab their overweight bags while we taxi in.
Just to give an example of the amount of pax who listen, I once flew with captain to Germany who thought it hilarious that the English word for a certain weather condition meant 'poo' in German. He gave weather/'poo' updates every 10 minutes and the CC were almost wetting themselves laughing, and not one of the 60-odd German speaking pax we had even batted an eyelid. The dispatcher at the other end did though.
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As SLF and an aviation buff, I pretty much know where the exits are and what to do. If possible, I try to sit next to the overwing or other exits, depending on A/C type.
I don't know how others feel, but I feel safer on certain A/C vs. others. Granted, it may not be statistically valid, or based on facts, but for safety I much prefer the 757 to the F100 (waddya mean there's no exits after the wing??!!).
I'm ashamed to admit I have been a little blase about the announcement at times. I think what scares me is not so much what people will do in the event of an emergency- but will they panic? You read stories of pax getting their bags from the overhead, etc. Unbelievable!
As a former firefighter, I will say the first time in a burn building was impressive. Totally disorienting and frightening, even though deep down you know it's a controlled situation.
Let's hope none of us ever finds out how bad it can really be.
I don't know how others feel, but I feel safer on certain A/C vs. others. Granted, it may not be statistically valid, or based on facts, but for safety I much prefer the 757 to the F100 (waddya mean there's no exits after the wing??!!).
I'm ashamed to admit I have been a little blase about the announcement at times. I think what scares me is not so much what people will do in the event of an emergency- but will they panic? You read stories of pax getting their bags from the overhead, etc. Unbelievable!
As a former firefighter, I will say the first time in a burn building was impressive. Totally disorienting and frightening, even though deep down you know it's a controlled situation.
Let's hope none of us ever finds out how bad it can really be.
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Pandora - could not agree more. When they start standing up before we are on the stand (despite announcements) I always hope the pilot flying will stamp on the brakes hard.
However, a new point in this matter occured to me on Sunday evening. I was on BD from LHR to EDI (A320). As I am not on these very much at the moment, I took extra care with the demo. Incidentally, in Biz they were just as 'heads down' as normal. Although the oriental gentleman adjacent to me, did look through his card.
My point is - BD use a video show with reasonable cartoons/diagrams and a clear voice commentary BUT there is music throughout!! I suspect that the people who make these are young and do not wear a hearing aid!
Although my hearing is still good, I have a friend in her mid 40s who has worn an aid for many years due to an inherited hearing defect. My father, in his last years, wore two aids (result of noisy a/c and their guns in the war!). The majority of hearing aids simply amplify EVERYTHING. Music and all!
However, a new point in this matter occured to me on Sunday evening. I was on BD from LHR to EDI (A320). As I am not on these very much at the moment, I took extra care with the demo. Incidentally, in Biz they were just as 'heads down' as normal. Although the oriental gentleman adjacent to me, did look through his card.
My point is - BD use a video show with reasonable cartoons/diagrams and a clear voice commentary BUT there is music throughout!! I suspect that the people who make these are young and do not wear a hearing aid!
Although my hearing is still good, I have a friend in her mid 40s who has worn an aid for many years due to an inherited hearing defect. My father, in his last years, wore two aids (result of noisy a/c and their guns in the war!). The majority of hearing aids simply amplify EVERYTHING. Music and all!
