Emergency Procedures.
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Emergency Procedures.
Hello Everyone,
I'm new to PPPuNe and would like to open this topic for discussion, comment or suggestion - the emergency procedures demonstration.
It seems to be the really cool thing for the suits (and almost everyone else)to ignore the safety demonstration. It's almost as if the level of disinterest is used to advertise a passenger's frequent flyer status - the less attention paid the higher up you are on the scale and the cooler you are as a result.
I am sure the cabin crews must find this endlessly frustrating. Information is being given to the pax which will help them to save themselves if it all comes down to the wire and those same pax are busily ignoring it all in case, God forbid, anyone should think it's their first time aboard an aircraft. Those same people will be the first to bleat when something goes wrong and the cabin crew all too busy to give them the individual attention they will demand.
As a passenger, I have a problem with this attitude. When the day arrives that I need to follow the emergency procedures, I am also going to have to deal with a whole aircraft full of people who haven't a clue what they're supposed to be doing because they were too busy advertising their frequent flyer status to take notice of the information designed to save their lives.
The cabin crew will have the same problem. Not only will they be trying to follow procedure, they will also be dealing with a wagonload of "frequent flyers" who now want personal safety lessons because they didn't pay any more attention this time than they did the last time they flew. Their need to appear cool was greater than their need to save their own lives.
Am I the only person out here in passengerland who even cares about this issue? I would love to see the airlines put a little more emphasis on the safety officer status of their cabin crews and a little less on their drink-providing, meal-serving and non-stop-smiling abilities. These are all pleasant extras that add to a good flight but they are not the primary reasons for the cabin crews' presence on the aircraft.
I'd love some feedback on this if only to know that I'm not the only safety-conscious passenger around ..... or perhaps to confirm that I am!!!!!!!!
I'm new to PPPuNe and would like to open this topic for discussion, comment or suggestion - the emergency procedures demonstration.
It seems to be the really cool thing for the suits (and almost everyone else)to ignore the safety demonstration. It's almost as if the level of disinterest is used to advertise a passenger's frequent flyer status - the less attention paid the higher up you are on the scale and the cooler you are as a result.
I am sure the cabin crews must find this endlessly frustrating. Information is being given to the pax which will help them to save themselves if it all comes down to the wire and those same pax are busily ignoring it all in case, God forbid, anyone should think it's their first time aboard an aircraft. Those same people will be the first to bleat when something goes wrong and the cabin crew all too busy to give them the individual attention they will demand.
As a passenger, I have a problem with this attitude. When the day arrives that I need to follow the emergency procedures, I am also going to have to deal with a whole aircraft full of people who haven't a clue what they're supposed to be doing because they were too busy advertising their frequent flyer status to take notice of the information designed to save their lives.
The cabin crew will have the same problem. Not only will they be trying to follow procedure, they will also be dealing with a wagonload of "frequent flyers" who now want personal safety lessons because they didn't pay any more attention this time than they did the last time they flew. Their need to appear cool was greater than their need to save their own lives.
Am I the only person out here in passengerland who even cares about this issue? I would love to see the airlines put a little more emphasis on the safety officer status of their cabin crews and a little less on their drink-providing, meal-serving and non-stop-smiling abilities. These are all pleasant extras that add to a good flight but they are not the primary reasons for the cabin crews' presence on the aircraft.
I'd love some feedback on this if only to know that I'm not the only safety-conscious passenger around ..... or perhaps to confirm that I am!!!!!!!!
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I once had to pax in a CX A330 in FC. I was in a suit (unfortunately I had no choice. I was attending a meeting in HKG imediatley on arrival) and was sitting to some Chinese bigshot with his head in the local paper.
Watching the emergencey brief the guy nudged me and asked why I was watching the brief. I replyed that if an accident occurs I intend to be one of the survivers watching his body being pulled out of the wreckage in a bodybag.
BD there will always be those that will die because they are simpley born too stupid to survive. Call it Natural Selection I dont know. Apathey kills and always will. Just keep doing what your doing BD and if an accident happens youll most likely be one of the ones that sees the next sunrise tomorrow and not the inside of a coffin lid 6 feet under.
Watching the emergencey brief the guy nudged me and asked why I was watching the brief. I replyed that if an accident occurs I intend to be one of the survivers watching his body being pulled out of the wreckage in a bodybag.
BD there will always be those that will die because they are simpley born too stupid to survive. Call it Natural Selection I dont know. Apathey kills and always will. Just keep doing what your doing BD and if an accident happens youll most likely be one of the ones that sees the next sunrise tomorrow and not the inside of a coffin lid 6 feet under.
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We've had this discussion before, but it's never a bad thing to repeat it! I'm a "frequent flier" partly due to being based in the Mid-East and partly due to having a daughter who's working for an airline and I can "get my own back" from the days when it was me providing her with "passes" 
I'm right with you, some of the silly b*ggers deserve to burn! I'm pretty nonchelant if it's my fourth sector in the last week on the same aircraft type on the same airline, apart from checking how many rows in each direction to the nearest "bolt hole" ( if "it" hits the fan, the lights may not be working or the cabin full of smoke) and reminding myself how that particular door/window opens.
When it's a type or configuration new to me (or one I haven't been in for a while), then a lot more attention gets paid. As someone else pointed out recently, it is probably worth just taking a quick check under your seat for the life-vest that's supposed to be there - I didn't realise it, but many are removed by "souvenir hunters"
A note of encouragement - the "suits" will probably be still trying to work out how to undo their seat belts as you ( and I
) are vanishing through the nearest emergency exit
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I'm right with you, some of the silly b*ggers deserve to burn! I'm pretty nonchelant if it's my fourth sector in the last week on the same aircraft type on the same airline, apart from checking how many rows in each direction to the nearest "bolt hole" ( if "it" hits the fan, the lights may not be working or the cabin full of smoke) and reminding myself how that particular door/window opens.
When it's a type or configuration new to me (or one I haven't been in for a while), then a lot more attention gets paid. As someone else pointed out recently, it is probably worth just taking a quick check under your seat for the life-vest that's supposed to be there - I didn't realise it, but many are removed by "souvenir hunters"
A note of encouragement - the "suits" will probably be still trying to work out how to undo their seat belts as you ( and I
) are vanishing through the nearest emergency exit ------------------
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(Through hardship to the bars)
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Blue Diamond. I'm right with you on this one. I'm like Slasher. I want to see the bodies brought off the aircraft. What infuriates me are those who just have to have their mobile phones switched on all the time. At AUH the other night as we were taxi-ing for take off. The woman behind me had her mobile go off. Fortunately, a sharp eared Stewardess was able to tell her very firmly, to switch it off. As we were still speeding down the runway she was still struggling to turn off the damned machine. Surely the time has come that airlines as to check mobiles are switched off before passengers board the aircraft. The level of attention paid to the safety announcements is practically nil, sadly. 
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Concur with ExSimGuy; I always count the rows to the nearest exit; I've been through our "cabin procedures trainer" - pax cabin mock-up. Can't see a darned thing when it fills up with smoke.
Which brings me to smoke hoods; we have enough for everybody on our 747F (max 8 people on board incl crew). They provide around 15mins worth of oxygen, so well worth investing in one. Shame pax airlines don't have them;
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Which brings me to smoke hoods; we have enough for everybody on our 747F (max 8 people on board incl crew). They provide around 15mins worth of oxygen, so well worth investing in one. Shame pax airlines don't have them;
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I have to agree with ExSimGuy, but will also comment that I have been in the situation with many others where it's a weekly 1 hr commute and I could repeat the demo word for word. The plane is usually departing around 6:30 or 7:00 and is full of suits, or returning around 18:30 or 19:00.
On the very few occassions where I've been on a mainy non-business flight, it's been very different, with most PAX actually watching the demo (including me).
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On the very few occassions where I've been on a mainy non-business flight, it's been very different, with most PAX actually watching the demo (including me).
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Another frequent flier here (probably twice a week at least).
I too make sure that the cabin crew have my full attention. Ok, I know the words off by heart, can definitely buckle and unbuckle my seatbelt by now, and have also attended a Safety & Emergency Procedures day with a major airline so have practiced actually inflating the lifejacket, evacuating in smoke, etc.
So why bother. Well, I still mentally run through the things I would have to do and how I would achieve them as the cabin crew describe them. Counting the rows to the exits is a great idea, and in smoke and panic it could definitely save your life. I also take note of those around me with their heads stuck in books or newspapers because I am sure as hell not going to be hanging around to help them out. And if they get in my way on the way out, I'll be glad to push them aside, using force if necessary.
Secondly, it is common courtesy to the fellow aviation professionals who are there for our safety. And the occasional thanks and smile from them for paying attention can sometimes be reward enough too But only from the girls !!
BTW Slasher in a suit.......wow, this has to go on Rumours & News
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I too make sure that the cabin crew have my full attention. Ok, I know the words off by heart, can definitely buckle and unbuckle my seatbelt by now, and have also attended a Safety & Emergency Procedures day with a major airline so have practiced actually inflating the lifejacket, evacuating in smoke, etc.
So why bother. Well, I still mentally run through the things I would have to do and how I would achieve them as the cabin crew describe them. Counting the rows to the exits is a great idea, and in smoke and panic it could definitely save your life. I also take note of those around me with their heads stuck in books or newspapers because I am sure as hell not going to be hanging around to help them out. And if they get in my way on the way out, I'll be glad to push them aside, using force if necessary.
Secondly, it is common courtesy to the fellow aviation professionals who are there for our safety. And the occasional thanks and smile from them for paying attention can sometimes be reward enough too
But only from the girls !! BTW Slasher in a suit.......wow, this has to go on Rumours & News
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It's about survival. I always check the fire exits and alternative escape routes in hotels; try and never get myself in a position on a road when driving where I can't escape; keep my escape route clear in dodgy bars! and it's the reason I insist my family watches the brief and keeps belted up in case of CAT.
Lifes too short anyway!!
Lifes too short anyway!!
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I always listen - heard it hundreds of times between Manchester and London though. I listen, apart from anything else, because its downright rude and ignorant to ignore someone when they are talking to you.
Last Friday though, I completely lost the plot! Two female "suits" next to me, chattering on through the demo - I actually told them to shut up! They said why should they? I told them that we might need to get out in a hurry and I didn't want to have to climb over them - they apologised and listened to the rest.
The other week, the BA captain gave the normal request for us to listen to the briefing when it came along. This time though, he said "you never know, this may be the morning when you need to know how to get out of a 757 in a hurry". Funny that - absolutely everyone listened!
Last Friday though, I completely lost the plot! Two female "suits" next to me, chattering on through the demo - I actually told them to shut up! They said why should they? I told them that we might need to get out in a hurry and I didn't want to have to climb over them - they apologised and listened to the rest.
The other week, the BA captain gave the normal request for us to listen to the briefing when it came along. This time though, he said "you never know, this may be the morning when you need to know how to get out of a 757 in a hurry". Funny that - absolutely everyone listened!
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Even if you do the weekly or daily commute on the same type of a/c, it makes sense to listen to the safety brief.
The cabin configuration may be a little different to that last "same" a/c and the brief will focus the unconscious part of the mind on this fact, lessening regression to prior experience "I'm sure there used to be a door here..."
The other point is that the flight attendants deserve the courtesy of being treated politely and passengers staying "heads down" when they are trying to do a professional job is very rude IMHO.
The cabin configuration may be a little different to that last "same" a/c and the brief will focus the unconscious part of the mind on this fact, lessening regression to prior experience "I'm sure there used to be a door here..."
The other point is that the flight attendants deserve the courtesy of being treated politely and passengers staying "heads down" when they are trying to do a professional job is very rude IMHO.
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Top marks Blue Diamond and all the others who have posted their words of sense.
This is directed at the selfish and ignorrant
should they be reading this.
I'm a flight attendant who is constantly frustrated by the ignorrance of 'frequent flyers' - fly more than me do you?
So what makes you think you know it all when we do weeks of safety training for just one type.
Just because it is a 737 does not make it the SAME 737.
All aircraft, even within type have different exit routes, floor lighting systems, slides, oxygen and lifejackets.
So Mr 'know it all' if by chance you are gracing us with your attention - we live in hope, isn't it about time you wised up and stopped hindering those around you.
You will soon lose your 'cool' if burning with the aircraft and will gain no further air miles, unless of course St Peter has his own programme.
I fly other airlines and watch their crews. So what makes you so special you feel you don't have too.
Well done to all those who see sense, your attention to this flight attendant is appreciated. I just hope you were one of them Mr 'know it all'
This is directed at the selfish and ignorrant
should they be reading this.
I'm a flight attendant who is constantly frustrated by the ignorrance of 'frequent flyers' - fly more than me do you?
So what makes you think you know it all when we do weeks of safety training for just one type.
Just because it is a 737 does not make it the SAME 737.
All aircraft, even within type have different exit routes, floor lighting systems, slides, oxygen and lifejackets.
So Mr 'know it all' if by chance you are gracing us with your attention - we live in hope, isn't it about time you wised up and stopped hindering those around you.
You will soon lose your 'cool' if burning with the aircraft and will gain no further air miles, unless of course St Peter has his own programme.
I fly other airlines and watch their crews. So what makes you so special you feel you don't have too.
Well done to all those who see sense, your attention to this flight attendant is appreciated. I just hope you were one of them Mr 'know it all'
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I always listen, even only out of superstition (if I've been good and listened then I'll be safe, the one time I don't, sod's law will get me etc etc). I do feel like I know it by heart, but of course it makes sense to find the exit, and I now count how many rows of seats between me and the exit too. I agree with the point about courtesy as well - it's simply rude to ignore someone who's talking to you.
I think perhaps one of the reasons people tend to ignore the briefing (other than the sheer unlikelihood of anything going wrong) is that they feel that if there is an accident, it's likely to be catastrophic and unsurvivable. As last week's tragic crash shows, that's not always the case - if something goes wrong on the ground, you might have a chance of survival and that chance can only be increased by having taken a couple of minutes to work out where the door is.
I think perhaps one of the reasons people tend to ignore the briefing (other than the sheer unlikelihood of anything going wrong) is that they feel that if there is an accident, it's likely to be catastrophic and unsurvivable. As last week's tragic crash shows, that's not always the case - if something goes wrong on the ground, you might have a chance of survival and that chance can only be increased by having taken a couple of minutes to work out where the door is.
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Have you noticed that no-one has confessed to ignoring the safety briefings ? I guess that they would be ashamed to admit it.
I hope that reading this convinces any pax to watch and learn.
Next Gen. is right, it's going to be the subtle differences that get you. I always check the fastenings and details on the life vests (doggie clips or ties ?, one inflation tube or two ?) and which exits can you use when (ditching can restrict where you can get out).
I'll admit I used to be fairly complacent about watching the FAs do their 'safety dance' but the more I fly the more importance I place on what I'm being told.
Heads up guys, it's your life they are trying to save !
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I hope that reading this convinces any pax to watch and learn.
Next Gen. is right, it's going to be the subtle differences that get you. I always check the fastenings and details on the life vests (doggie clips or ties ?, one inflation tube or two ?) and which exits can you use when (ditching can restrict where you can get out).
I'll admit I used to be fairly complacent about watching the FAs do their 'safety dance' but the more I fly the more importance I place on what I'm being told.
Heads up guys, it's your life they are trying to save !
VnV...
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I think there's a big difference between listening to the preflight and actually comprehending it. I recall one incident a few years ago when a Canadian Regional F28 lost a wheel on touchdown. The captain ordered an evacuation and most of the pax went to retrieve their carry-ons! I can pretty much guarantee that had I been on board those morons would have my footprints all over their backs; I don't mind if they die from their own stupidity (I'd nominate them for a Darwin Award) but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let them take me along.
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Follow the safety briefing - and agree that it is *rude* not to - and also take a look at the safety features card in the seatback pocket.
If Slasher had been sitting there *in his uniform*, I wonder if the guy would have nudged him and asked why he was watching the briefing? Or would he have looked over and thought, "Hey, a *pilot* is paying attention to this, perhaps I should as well"?
I can thank a recent thread on this forum for introducing me to the concept of counting seats to the nearest exit - DOH, don't know why I hadn't thought of it previously.
If Slasher had been sitting there *in his uniform*, I wonder if the guy would have nudged him and asked why he was watching the briefing? Or would he have looked over and thought, "Hey, a *pilot* is paying attention to this, perhaps I should as well"?
I can thank a recent thread on this forum for introducing me to the concept of counting seats to the nearest exit - DOH, don't know why I hadn't thought of it previously.
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Yes, I will admit it. I am guilty of ignoring the cabin safety announcement. And I know bettter but form here on out I willpay attention. Don't want a boot in the butt on the way out........and my purdy neat stuff bag can stay too.
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How could they possibly be Japanese planes?
— Admiral Husband E. Kimmel
Believe me, Germany is unable to wage war.
— Former British Prime Minister David LLoyd George, 1 August, 1934.
[This message has been edited by before landing check list (edited 09 November 2000).]