Invasion of the Body Scanners
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Body Scanners?...now let's see. What can we do about that?
So in a cave in Bora Bora there are frowns beneath the turbans. How can the terrorists get around this latest multi million dollar technological obstacle placed in their path?
It takes 5 seconds to come up with the answer. Don't worry about the machine - just make sure the guy operating it is one of yours. Then he'll wave your suicide bombers through - underpants and all
It takes 5 seconds to come up with the answer. Don't worry about the machine - just make sure the guy operating it is one of yours. Then he'll wave your suicide bombers through - underpants and all
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Vmike:
Hmm, how many times do you suppose family feuds escalate in to somebody being reported to authorities for falsified reasons?
GB
3. A Nigerian banker goes to the US Embassy and states that his son is in Yemen, receiving training from muslim maniacs.
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It takes 5 seconds to come up with the answer. Don't worry about the machine - just make sure the guy operating it is one of yours. Then he'll wave your suicide bombers through - underpants and all
Of course, one would also hope that the people are awake on the job and that the security cameras work, but here's a case where neither happened. Oh look, and it's not the EU's fault either.
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"Hmm, how many times do you suppose family feuds escalate in to somebody being reported to authorities for falsified reasons?
GB
Well, it doesn't seem so in this case, does it.
GB
Well, it doesn't seem so in this case, does it.
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Cynics
The body scanners that I have been through recently have the main problem of being slower than the walk-through detectors but no doubt they will be further developed. They are certainly not as intrusive as some of the pat-downs I have had to endure.
To the cynics, and particularly Vmike and ExSpdb1rd, you are very quick to rubbish any attempts to take some action and seem to take it as a personal affront to your way of life.
Vmike comes out with:-
On what basis do you make this assertion and are you really serious? You meet people like you all the time who have to see conspiracy everywhere and no doubt you get
as part of this overall conspiracy
Presumably the nasty little jobsworth is a different person from time to time (unless truly someone has a personal vendetta against you).
Well events tend not to back that up unless the "bad boys" have decided not to bother too much. Do you imply that nothing at all should be done to thwart any attacks.
Security at airports is here to stay but the challenge is for it to be at a level that can work and be acceptable given the time it adds to the process of getting through the airport. In my view profiling does have it's place and goes on anyway. The general public seem to be accepting of the measures and certainly the majority would prefer advances in technology rather than some of the cynics answers.
To the cynics, and particularly Vmike and ExSpdb1rd, you are very quick to rubbish any attempts to take some action and seem to take it as a personal affront to your way of life.
Vmike comes out with:-
might be forgiven for wondering whether the security industry knew this guy was coming and decided to let him through
frisked down everytime he goes to work at the airport by a nasty little jobsworth
Presumably the nasty little jobsworth is a different person from time to time (unless truly someone has a personal vendetta against you).
Waste of time, the bad boys will do exactly what they want to do, precisely when they want to do it - regardless of any measures
Security at airports is here to stay but the challenge is for it to be at a level that can work and be acceptable given the time it adds to the process of getting through the airport. In my view profiling does have it's place and goes on anyway. The general public seem to be accepting of the measures and certainly the majority would prefer advances in technology rather than some of the cynics answers.
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The modern, full body scanner is only one step short of you taking all of your clothes off. The reason you don't have to is because the machine does it for you. It is reasonable that members of the general public actually get to see the images seen by the the screener and also understand the communication between the screener and the person controlling people entering the scanner. Personally, I don't mind what people see of me but I can fully understand what many people might not wish to wish to pass through these machines. But I'm going to suggest that when these machines are introduced, those being scanned will not have a clue of the detail that can be seen nor of the conversations between the security staff. I think that omission is wrong.
Futhermore, will these machines actually make things safer? Not on your life! The bad boys will use different methods to take prohibited articles airside and then, as now, we'll still be vulnerable to their attacks. This is because we follow rules and procedures which in my opinion are written by the wrong people (Transec, part of DfT). In the UK we also employ certain type of person whose job it is just to follow documented procedures.
But there is no proper checking, you are not allowed to question anything and everone and everything is considerered to be a threat. And this is the bit I object to. I have to pay for this system, my job is put under threat as a result and we are no safer as a result of this so called security activity. But the most dreadful thing is that not even your MP can get a straight answer - for security reasons!
When we have a more open system and when we can call the security system to account I'll be happier. Until then the system we have will never be anything more than expensive, wasteful theatre. The new scanners will just increase the queues and the cost, achieving diddly-squat!
My money is on the bad guys getting through!
PM
Futhermore, will these machines actually make things safer? Not on your life! The bad boys will use different methods to take prohibited articles airside and then, as now, we'll still be vulnerable to their attacks. This is because we follow rules and procedures which in my opinion are written by the wrong people (Transec, part of DfT). In the UK we also employ certain type of person whose job it is just to follow documented procedures.
But there is no proper checking, you are not allowed to question anything and everone and everything is considerered to be a threat. And this is the bit I object to. I have to pay for this system, my job is put under threat as a result and we are no safer as a result of this so called security activity. But the most dreadful thing is that not even your MP can get a straight answer - for security reasons!
When we have a more open system and when we can call the security system to account I'll be happier. Until then the system we have will never be anything more than expensive, wasteful theatre. The new scanners will just increase the queues and the cost, achieving diddly-squat!
My money is on the bad guys getting through!
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When I was younger and flying more often, I used to love the whole airport thing, the romance of flying, the excitement prior to boarding. As a red blooded male with a penchant for females in uniform, I was in heaven
You can see where this is going
I wonder what procedures Transec will put in place for males showing a reluctance to be scanned? And what about the operator?
OK, silly I know, but that's my take on the whole charade. Has any viable device under the control of an active terrorist ever been detected through a random x-ray? The pax on the 330 probably felt reasssured by the security they went through at AMS - wonder what they think now?
So body scanners are installed making life that bit more difficult. Terrorists have already taken to having explosives surgically inserted inside their bodies; will they be detected? Or will everyone with a post op scar now have to go through extra checks?
No, it ain't over by a long chalk (I nearly said 'till the fat Mullah sings' but that would be politically incorrect, so I didn't)
Sir George Cayley
You can see where this is going
I wonder what procedures Transec will put in place for males showing a reluctance to be scanned? And what about the operator?
OK, silly I know, but that's my take on the whole charade. Has any viable device under the control of an active terrorist ever been detected through a random x-ray? The pax on the 330 probably felt reasssured by the security they went through at AMS - wonder what they think now?
So body scanners are installed making life that bit more difficult. Terrorists have already taken to having explosives surgically inserted inside their bodies; will they be detected? Or will everyone with a post op scar now have to go through extra checks?
No, it ain't over by a long chalk (I nearly said 'till the fat Mullah sings' but that would be politically incorrect, so I didn't)
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OK. I admit I was semi-comatosed whilst listening to the Beeb's news at 0800 this morning but I'm sure that I heard the word 'profiling' used in the report on the introduction of scanners. Perhaps the mesage is finally making inroads amongst the non-thnkers at the DfT. Here's an opportunity for BALPA to get of its fat, overpaid arse and start to push the agenda for once.
Tabs please !
We have decided to cancel our planned trip from Los Angeles to Manchester England which was scheduled for February
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I very much struggle with this. When terrorist want something they are smart enough to figure it out. They are everywhere and plan their actions carefully. A few years ago, it was a granate, then it was a bottle, then your fork and knife, then they figured to make something out of toothpaste, gel and others, now its powder, what is next? who says they are not infiltrated in the pilot/handling/security network. One day they get the call it's their turn.
I am not saying we should not do anything at all, but its getting silly now. in the future you have to be 6 hours in advance to catch a flights. The cost involved in this is enormous. This morning I heard on the news the security of the countries were aware of the buy wanting to blow up the plane but didnt respond. Welll what do you want to do then?
Luckily i make around 90 flights a year, this is going to fun this year.....
I am not saying we should not do anything at all, but its getting silly now. in the future you have to be 6 hours in advance to catch a flights. The cost involved in this is enormous. This morning I heard on the news the security of the countries were aware of the buy wanting to blow up the plane but didnt respond. Welll what do you want to do then?
Luckily i make around 90 flights a year, this is going to fun this year.....
Full Body scanners are comming and I'm off to buy some new undies and a large watch. Captain Milo and Captain Yossanrian from 'Catch-22' will seem 'normal' in a few years time. The World is totally mad.
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Why all this fuss about the body scanners? Bring them on! They should have been in place years ago. If you've got nothing to hide it's no problem. So stop complaining!
Regarding privary, as long as the person/computer screening the images does not physically see the person being scanned it's no problem.
Yes, terrorist will find another way but at least we gotta try an make life difficult for them. If only goverments could become pro-active...
Regarding privary, as long as the person/computer screening the images does not physically see the person being scanned it's no problem.
Yes, terrorist will find another way but at least we gotta try an make life difficult for them. If only goverments could become pro-active...
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I have experienced body scanners in Moscow airports, I think they are in operation for over a year there. Unfortunately you are still required to get your belt, watch, coat, jacket and even shoes off before entering into scanner.
If there will be body scanners and procedures where you can drop hand luggage into x-ray and just get yourself scanned without taking anything off - I would love it, and I don't care if anybody see me naked on the screen.
If there will be body scanners and procedures where you can drop hand luggage into x-ray and just get yourself scanned without taking anything off - I would love it, and I don't care if anybody see me naked on the screen.
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Radiation.... or not?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do these new full body scanners not use ionising radiation (more specifically, X-Rays)?
And if so, what dosage? How much compared to, say, a standard Chest X-Ray?
Will there be the option to opt out?
Personally, I would much rather be frisked than have my cellular DNA bombarded with God-knows-what-beams...
And if so, what dosage? How much compared to, say, a standard Chest X-Ray?
Will there be the option to opt out?
Personally, I would much rather be frisked than have my cellular DNA bombarded with God-knows-what-beams...
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Radiation.... or not?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do these new full body scanners not use ionising radiation (more specifically, X-Rays)?
And if so, what dosage? How much compared to, say, a standard Chest X-Ray?
Will there be the option to opt out?
Personally, I would much rather be frisked than have my cellular DNA bombarded with God-knows-what-beams...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do these new full body scanners not use ionising radiation (more specifically, X-Rays)?
And if so, what dosage? How much compared to, say, a standard Chest X-Ray?
Will there be the option to opt out?
Personally, I would much rather be frisked than have my cellular DNA bombarded with God-knows-what-beams...