Panorama BBC1 Monday 12th Oct - Why Hate Ryanair
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I´m a executive pilot and I hate them for 2 reasons:
1) My first boss decided to sell his airplane after RYR started to serve Hahn-Kerry. His Factory is closeby and they bought something like 20000seats and got rid of me.
2) Every outback airfield where they turn up is completely ****** up afterwards. Security, screening, not allowed to walk on the apron as long as their airplane is there, no fuel whilst a RYR arrives (penalty in airfield contract if delayed by airfield) and EVERYWHERE the landing fees for us go up to pay the substitudes they received in form of reduced landing fees.
1) My first boss decided to sell his airplane after RYR started to serve Hahn-Kerry. His Factory is closeby and they bought something like 20000seats and got rid of me.
2) Every outback airfield where they turn up is completely ****** up afterwards. Security, screening, not allowed to walk on the apron as long as their airplane is there, no fuel whilst a RYR arrives (penalty in airfield contract if delayed by airfield) and EVERYWHERE the landing fees for us go up to pay the substitudes they received in form of reduced landing fees.
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"I was just suprised that the HEAD of COMMUNICATION had so many errors in his emails of a speeling and grammatical nature!"
Very funny!!!
There is a very simple arguement here......if people dont like Ryanair......they shouldnt fly with them. If they are THAT bad, then they wont have any passengers left.
But at the moment they are making money when a lot of others are not. In respect to that, ML is doing a great job.
Oh....and on the "marmite, love or hate" comment............A lot of people hate marmite, but im sure they still sell loads of it
Very funny!!!
There is a very simple arguement here......if people dont like Ryanair......they shouldnt fly with them. If they are THAT bad, then they wont have any passengers left.
But at the moment they are making money when a lot of others are not. In respect to that, ML is doing a great job.
Oh....and on the "marmite, love or hate" comment............A lot of people hate marmite, but im sure they still sell loads of it
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Can you explain what exactly was an 'horrendous experience'
when you flew with them - just out of curiosity.I have no
intension of belittling your complaint but would just like to
know what was wrong with it.
I agree with you about the 'marmite' comment but obviously
60m plus find something worth putting up with.
MM
Can you explain what exactly was an 'horrendous experience'
when you flew with them - just out of curiosity.I have no
intension of belittling your complaint but would just like to
know what was wrong with it.
I agree with you about the 'marmite' comment but obviously
60m plus find something worth putting up with.
MM
Re read my original post. I was asking why they should be treated any differently to any other company investigated by any programme maker...
I thought the title was very apt.
Lets watch and see eh??
I don't like Guinness, - I don't drink it.
I don't like Texas Pacific Group's (TPG) little airline - aka Ryanair - so I don't fly with them.
End of.
Nothing to debate.
TPG is an American private equity group that also ownsed Gate Gourmet when they had their little problem.
I don't like Texas Pacific Group's (TPG) little airline - aka Ryanair - so I don't fly with them.
End of.
Nothing to debate.
TPG is an American private equity group that also ownsed Gate Gourmet when they had their little problem.
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Sorry - but their bubble is NOT going to burst. If the economy recovers people will want to start travelling again and will want to not spend money. Also, each year, a new batch of folks turn 18 and want to get away from their parents. They have no money and do not mind being squashed. This is why MoL does not care if you never fly with him again because, there will always be more folks walking down the ramp.
Al Grifo
Just watch out for when the subsidies stop and they move the aircraft onto more lucrative routes. Check those French routes where people bought second houses because FR was flying there and now they are not. Then the hotels and villas start to empty again. That is because FR do not care about any individual route. Nothing is sacrosanct.
They are very, very clever and the post from His dudeness is probably the single most enlightening post of all the FR threads (Although I have not read every single post in every such thread as I do log off PPRUNE occasionally [although some will not believe that!])
The changes to the small, regional fields is of great interest and I shall watch the BBC1 prog (remember?!) to see if it is mentioned.
All that said, I do think FR's bubble is going to burst in the not too distant future. When the economy DOES begin to recover properly and when people DO have a proper choice about which airline they fly with, then we might be seeing a very different Ryanair in the future.
Al Grifo
Oh we here on the volcano just love Ryanair.
We need the tourism, we need to fill our hotels and villas
Viva Ryanair.
We need the tourism, we need to fill our hotels and villas
Viva Ryanair.
They are very, very clever and the post from His dudeness is probably the single most enlightening post of all the FR threads (Although I have not read every single post in every such thread as I do log off PPRUNE occasionally [although some will not believe that!])
The changes to the small, regional fields is of great interest and I shall watch the BBC1 prog (remember?!) to see if it is mentioned.
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You can construe the meaning of 'hidden charges' in different ways.
From Ryanair's point of view they are fair in that they clearly cover the scale of charges within their terms and conditions which people sign up to when they purchase a ticket.
From the consumer point of view 'hidden charges' can be interpreted as paying more for a service than you expected to pay?
From Ryanair's point of view they are fair in that they clearly cover the scale of charges within their terms and conditions which people sign up to when they purchase a ticket.
From the consumer point of view 'hidden charges' can be interpreted as paying more for a service than you expected to pay?
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Firstly,we have travelled Ryanair several times along with other low cost carriers and hate to tempt fate but have never had any problems whatsoever with them. Flights have always been on time and we have found the boarding system to be well organised unlike some other low cost carriers. There are no hidden charges it is all stated in black and white!!
I believe the flights are great value ,we have just flown Stansted to Malaga £60 return for hubby and me and have booked the same in Feb for £30 return! We only took hand luggage and I fully accept that I may be told to place my small handbag in my case (which I wasnt) but how anyone can complain beats me !!
I will be watching tomorrow's Panorama and the only thing I will question is if they come up with any safety issues as that is of paramount concern to me.
If I want pampering (which I do on occasions more so on long hauls ) I will choose a different carrier meantime I am more than happy with Ryanair thank you
I believe the flights are great value ,we have just flown Stansted to Malaga £60 return for hubby and me and have booked the same in Feb for £30 return! We only took hand luggage and I fully accept that I may be told to place my small handbag in my case (which I wasnt) but how anyone can complain beats me !!
I will be watching tomorrow's Panorama and the only thing I will question is if they come up with any safety issues as that is of paramount concern to me.
If I want pampering (which I do on occasions more so on long hauls ) I will choose a different carrier meantime I am more than happy with Ryanair thank you
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This whole thread amused me.
Although the Ryanair pros and cons been done to death countless times we still manage to to fill up three pages.
I think the shows title "Why do we hate Ryanair" is very apt!
Smala01
Although the Ryanair pros and cons been done to death countless times we still manage to to fill up three pages.
I think the shows title "Why do we hate Ryanair" is very apt!
Smala01
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Panorama - dissapeared down the plug hole for me big time with their "Expose'" of WI FI Networking in schools - Me a "Technician Engineer". Tightslots' warning is apposite. Let's watch the prog. MOL's outburst on BBC R4's "You and Yours" the other week suggests that there may be a few sparks. A lot will depend on wheather RYR cooperated with the BBC - best to hope that the thing does not degenerate into a set of "Vox Pop" interviews along the lines of "Ryan Air lost my Teddy Bear/Mother/Grand Piano " sort of cheap dialog.
Yes I have my personal issues with them, but a national broadcast should focus on the bigger issues of their ecomomic effect. E.G Boeing. Airport route developement etc. Lets see if the BBC make a good job of a complex subject.
CAT III
Yes I have my personal issues with them, but a national broadcast should focus on the bigger issues of their ecomomic effect. E.G Boeing. Airport route developement etc. Lets see if the BBC make a good job of a complex subject.
CAT III
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Tightslot
You remarked
Sadly true, of course, as is the predictability of your response.
Of course, if Ryanair's culture of contempt for its customers - from the top down - were to become a thing of the past, I would be the first to acknowledge that, just as I have frequently praised its maintenance system and standards elsewhere on pprune.
You remarked
So Coy! Of course you dare say it - you say it all the time: It's a recurrent theme and is by now to a degree, predictable.
Of course, if Ryanair's culture of contempt for its customers - from the top down - were to become a thing of the past, I would be the first to acknowledge that, just as I have frequently praised its maintenance system and standards elsewhere on pprune.
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Channel Four did a similar show a few years back, was it Dispatches?? Seem to remember they had to make things up in order for it to be remotely interesting and Ryanair got the better of them and have gone from strength to strength. Suspect the same will be true of this one.
Ryanair will both survive and prosper
There is no chance that Ryanair will do anything other than survive and prosper.
They are the airline that has allowed the expanding middle class in UK and Ireland to take 3 or 4 holidays per year, and allowed even those young middle class with onerous mortgages to aspire to 2 holidays per year.
No-one will take that away from the middle classes.
This was all covered about 4 years ago by one of those (normally boring) CAA reports. However, their web-site is so unfriendly that I can't be bothered to find the url.
They are the airline that has allowed the expanding middle class in UK and Ireland to take 3 or 4 holidays per year, and allowed even those young middle class with onerous mortgages to aspire to 2 holidays per year.
No-one will take that away from the middle classes.
This was all covered about 4 years ago by one of those (normally boring) CAA reports. However, their web-site is so unfriendly that I can't be bothered to find the url.
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The Channel 4 documentary took a different approach, it concentrated on the long hours and difficult working conditions endured by the aircrew, and implied that safety could be compromised. It also showed the disgusting state of some of the cabin fittings and seats, something of which I had personal experience on my first, and hopefully last, Ryanair flight.
Tonight's Panorama is apparently going to concentrate on hidden charges and unethical pricing practices.
Tonight's Panorama is apparently going to concentrate on hidden charges and unethical pricing practices.
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And of course the secret filming by the BBC that, apparently, took place in flight is fully acceptable and ethical.
What happened to the Panorama I knew from the 1990s ? Where was the tough investigative journalism ?
It almost seemed to be a case of the Panorama crew just rolling over like a pussy cat !
It almost seemed to be a case of the Panorama crew just rolling over like a pussy cat !
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Panorama
It was a lot better than I thought it would be - The TWR at BHX needs a re paint. A clarification for the Air crew getting 45 Mins to prepare notes from NOTAMS briefing reports and approach briefings. Did I miss understand 45 Mins for 12 Sectors ! No mention of actual crew roster timings - Re Prev; it was a pussy cat Job.
CAT III
CAT III
Oh dear... paid slightly more to fly with aer lingus to dublin on wednesday... the bbc have actually encouraged me to take allegiance with ryanair
! very poor "reporting", think panorama should concentrate on issue of bbc spending next programme...half an hour of free advertising for RYR! Priceless!
! very poor "reporting", think panorama should concentrate on issue of bbc spending next programme...half an hour of free advertising for RYR! Priceless!