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That is why I used the Cambridge online dictionary definition, in order to provide a fair arbiter. I think you are probably wise, since regardless as the axis for all these perceived worlds, they all seem to reside near the odd black hole, where enlightenment is but a futile struggle. 
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Wow -two Mods on my case - I was not even going to dignify the defensive replys with a response, however, as "the world awaits", I will make a final response (as requested) and hopefully we will agree to disagree.
Thats fine, but as I alluded to in my previous posting, it would be advisable to keep your own counsel and not post potentially insulting and patronising comment on this forum - especially in your capacity as a Moderator. I would suggest it would be difficult for you to remove similar postings when it seems you cannot control your own! I suspect you would find the stereotypical description of 'Trolly Dolly' lacking in humour - maybe your Japanese passengers feel the same.
Fine - but laugh WITH them not AT them! And certainly don't make disparaging comments on forums about them. Yes we all have our own traits whether it is indiginous to a certain nationality or indeed an individual affliction, habit or nature.
Irrespective of religion OR nationality, these are PEOPLE. I suppose the link which directed the forum user to a fully regaled Jew was just for indicitave puposes only then? I used the religious examples as to suggest you would not ridicule them in the same manner as your Japanese tourists, however, there were religious undertones in your posting.
Assumptions often lead to misunderstandings - your words - not mine - and patronising drivel. You do not know me, therefore how can you assume what I do and do not know - you would be surprised!
Rant over and that is the end of it as far as I am concerned, and as I indicated earlier in this post, I hope we can agree to disagree.
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After many many years of flying and traveling the world, I can easily stereotype for example New York Jews, high caste Indians, Brazilian Transvestites, Norwegian oil rig workers, members of the extended Saudi Royal family and many other different groups of people for you though.
If we have a chuckle once in a while because a pax behaves EXACTLY according to what we have come to expect, I see no wrong in that.
Fine - but laugh WITH them not AT them! And certainly don't make disparaging comments on forums about them. Yes we all have our own traits whether it is indiginous to a certain nationality or indeed an individual affliction, habit or nature.
As to Muslims and Jews. Unlike 'Japanese', neither of your examples is a nationality.
Irrespective of religion OR nationality, these are PEOPLE. I suppose the link which directed the forum user to a fully regaled Jew was just for indicitave puposes only then? I used the religious examples as to suggest you would not ridicule them in the same manner as your Japanese tourists, however, there were religious undertones in your posting.
But you couldn't know all that.
Rant over and that is the end of it as far as I am concerned, and as I indicated earlier in this post, I hope we can agree to disagree.
Passy
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Can you keep my council too or will I send it to FF because they're a bunch of useless
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(Unless you meant COUNSEL, of course)
Never a truer word spoken, especially when we read your posts
Can you keep my council too or will I send it to FF because they're a bunch of useless
?(Unless you meant COUNSEL, of course)
Assumptions often lead to misunderstandings - your words - not mine - and patronising drivel
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Do you seriously expect airline staff to suspend the human rights of their customers by forcing them to pray in a toilet, or by preventing them from praying at all?
Article 9 of the ECHR legislation says
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion;
this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom,
either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to
manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and
observance.
Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to
such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a
democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of
public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and
freedoms of others.
this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom,
either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to
manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and
observance.
Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be subject only to
such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a
democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of
public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and
freedoms of others.
In fact, should a mini riot develop, the airline crew or even another passenger would be lawfully entitled to kill a rioter, without denying a basic human right, per article 2, para 2.
Article 2 – Right to life
1 Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be
deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a
court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided
by law.
2 Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of
this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than
absolutely necessary:
a in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
b in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person
lawfully detained;
c in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or
insurrection.
1 Everyone’s right to life shall be protected by law. No one shall be
deprived of his life intentionally save in the execution of a sentence of a
court following his conviction of a crime for which this penalty is provided
by law.
2 Deprivation of life shall not be regarded as inflicted in contravention of
this article when it results from the use of force which is no more than
absolutely necessary:
a in defence of any person from unlawful violence;
b in order to effect a lawful arrest or to prevent the escape of a person
lawfully detained;
c in action lawfully taken for the purpose of quelling a riot or
insurrection.
Personally, I find any type of overt religious worship in front of a captive audience to be distasteful, regardless of the religion, whereas I quite happily helped a muslim sitting next to me to comply with Ramadan by looking out for the first evidence of sunrise, so that he could eat his meal without worrying. as it was a privilege to assist someone of deveout faith, who was also kind and considerate in his behaviour.
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Paper Tiger - I'm with you on this issue!
It is high time that we followed the lead of the Netherlands and forbade the outward wearing of religious clothing or symbols in public places. If someone so chooses, their religious books can be read and prayers can be silently recited in the comfort of one's own seat.
My opinion is not having a go at anyone's beliefs - it is to prevent others' faiths from being intrusive to those of other faiths, non-believers or "non-understanders" such as the Original Poster.
It is high time that we followed the lead of the Netherlands and forbade the outward wearing of religious clothing or symbols in public places. If someone so chooses, their religious books can be read and prayers can be silently recited in the comfort of one's own seat.
My opinion is not having a go at anyone's beliefs - it is to prevent others' faiths from being intrusive to those of other faiths, non-believers or "non-understanders" such as the Original Poster.
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Well, this has been entertaining.
Many (30 or more) years ago I was on a transatlantic flight when suddenly three or four bearded and ringleted gentlemen stood up, unbuttoned their black frock coats, extracted one arm, buttoned the coats up again, rolled up the shirtsleeve on the aforementioned arm, and went through their prayer ritual.
It didn’t alarm me then but I suspect it might alarm me now, and certainly alarm some other passengers. Whether or not the original question was well expressed or well written, I think it was probably worth asking.
Many (30 or more) years ago I was on a transatlantic flight when suddenly three or four bearded and ringleted gentlemen stood up, unbuttoned their black frock coats, extracted one arm, buttoned the coats up again, rolled up the shirtsleeve on the aforementioned arm, and went through their prayer ritual.
It didn’t alarm me then but I suspect it might alarm me now, and certainly alarm some other passengers. Whether or not the original question was well expressed or well written, I think it was probably worth asking.
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As for stereotyping; that is possibly a discussion which falls outside the remit of this forum, but it is an interesting little diversion, (to me anyway) so if TightSlot allows it, we can have it. If he feels this forum is the wrong place, I am happy for him to delete everything after this. 
Ms. Slot, my little intro was an attempt to deflect ad hominem attempts to tell me what a really, really bad person I am. Again.
More dyslexia?
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Originally Posted by Shack37
More dyslexia?
See, I'm sexist as well
, but we'll get shouted down as usual.
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Good to know 
, but we'll get shouted down as usual.
, but we'll get shouted down as usual.
Tolerance and Respect means that if you allow one group of people to stand or make obeisance, in the aisle, you must also allow atheists to mock or scorn their actions, devil worshippers would have to be allowed to sacrifice new-born babies, boil up essence of toad or whatever else they get up to!
The only way to properly enjoy a culturally diverse society, and for minorities to integrate properly, is for everybody to leave their religious and cultural trappings in their dwelling-place and to stand equal with their peers in public places. That is exactly the lefislation introduced by the Netherlands and their ministers were lambasted for it!
FWIW, I am Presbyterian (Church of Ireland). I do pray quite often, and many a time in public, but it is done so quietly and discreetly, no one need ever know except the Great Architect of the Universe and myself.
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To hell with religious tolerance! It's grammar tolerance that is important. I am an atheist, but if anyone wants to pray around me in public, that's fine- do what you like! To whatever 'God' you think is out there, but I have to say I do feel like tapping people on the shoulder and actually asking 'do you think there is anybody out there listening, and why?' I have sent Jehovah's Witnesses packing with their ears ringing to 'you're wasting your life- there is no God!'- they're fair game because they are trying to ram their nonsense down my throat. But I am a little demanding- all I ask is that these believers in their own particular religion don't decide to blow themselves up and take others with them, or decide that it somehow benefits their religion if a planeload of people get incinerated. I don't think Amish are so inclined. Too busy making candles and harvesting and minding their own business!
From that perspective, this thread does appear to have lost any sense of humour from perfectly reasonable, sensible and humorous moderation. People take religion so deadly seriously! Why? There's nothing there!
From that perspective, this thread does appear to have lost any sense of humour from perfectly reasonable, sensible and humorous moderation. People take religion so deadly seriously! Why? There's nothing there!
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majority of Japanese tourists travelling in groups dresses
Oooo, Flappy. Travelling? and is it in group's dresses, or groups, dresses?
Sorry, I've been to the Rainbow school of post correction.
Anyway, nobody's mentioned the folk, who, having been lucky enough to gain the extra legroom of an Exit space, find it full of people doing their gyrations. I don't even like people gathering there and standing still and mute. I don't go to their row and look out of the window, why should they think it's okay to stand in mine just because I've got a little extra space?
There's only one seat on that aircraft that I feel happy in, and they won't let me sit in it...they wont even let me into the little room that it's in. And that's despite having a big watch.
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Originally posted by Paper Tiger
So did I but I'd never admit it
If you mean my confusing the gender of a certain mod., I confess I made an assumption based on the username.
So did I but I'd never admit it
