BAA queues to continue - but its being resolved
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BAA queues to continue - but its being resolved
worth a new thread as its important info:
Read here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6501603.stm
I suspect the CAA having leant on BAA has finally forced them to do something about it (and the immigration too I hope). Shame its going to take so long, and truly pathetic this situation has existed for some years.
My arrival into T4 on Monday am, from Plane to Door of airport took over one hour - passport queues were just horrendous and the fasttrack is for non UK only (grrrr)
By the way, 2 long hauls in 4 weeks with BA - excellent service on all 4 legs. Seems the game has been raised - well done. The club revamp cant come soon enough tho.
Read here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6501603.stm
I suspect the CAA having leant on BAA has finally forced them to do something about it (and the immigration too I hope). Shame its going to take so long, and truly pathetic this situation has existed for some years.
My arrival into T4 on Monday am, from Plane to Door of airport took over one hour - passport queues were just horrendous and the fasttrack is for non UK only (grrrr)
By the way, 2 long hauls in 4 weeks with BA - excellent service on all 4 legs. Seems the game has been raised - well done. The club revamp cant come soon enough tho.
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UK airports operator BAA said yesterday it is spending an additional £40 million ($78.5 million) to hire 1,400 extra security guards and open 22 new security lanes across its seven airports in order to reduce lines to 5 min. or less "95% of the time." It also said it is planning a "multibillion-pound investment program" that will "add vital new facilities, improve existing terminals and add significantly to the UK's overall airport capacity" by 2012. CEO Stephen Nelson said that "the onus is on the regulatory authorities to deliver the stable regulatory system and sensible financial incentives necessary to deliver these plans." BAA did not elaborate.
From another site.
But it needs to be done asap especially at LGW south terminal.
From another site.
But it needs to be done asap especially at LGW south terminal.
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I went in and out of Gatwick yesterday.
Don't know if I caught in and out at a good time but security was a just a walk through - no queues, smiling and helpful security staff.
SR
Don't know if I caught in and out at a good time but security was a just a walk through - no queues, smiling and helpful security staff.
SR
totally banal interview
BAA have been actively recruiting for years to reduce the staffing shortfall, the problem is with the current CRB/CTC system is just too slow and outdated, it takes an average 6-8 weeks to be processed if by snail trail.
BAA have been bleeding staff for a number of years now, yes Nelson is right that the authorities need new and reliable factors, but not financial, BAA is now a private and non UK company now, so there is no investment opportunity (not yet anyway). The average component for recruitment in BAA, is interview 500, weed out the test failures (250), CRB and CTC weeding, brings it to around 150, training starts somewhere around 6/8 weeks, by that time others have found other positions (better salary and benefits/hours), taking it down to last know and discussed figure of around 70. So across all the airports and terminals, the actual number of recruited staff is neglible, compared with the tide of leavers, retirees and others. So the bleed outstrips the infusion.
The new LHR facilities, as far as I have been briefed is just a refurb of T4 and T1, with Terminal East being developed and built over the next 10 years.
Stable regulatory system, sorry situation too fluid. Its all in the adapting of the regulations to suit conditions and facilties. Financial incentives, I think this was a cry from Ferrovial that they now realise what an elephant BAA is and was. 22 extra lanes across all 7 airports ( 7 airports = 12 terms ~ 1.1 lane per terminal )
BAA have been actively recruiting for years to reduce the staffing shortfall, the problem is with the current CRB/CTC system is just too slow and outdated, it takes an average 6-8 weeks to be processed if by snail trail.
BAA have been bleeding staff for a number of years now, yes Nelson is right that the authorities need new and reliable factors, but not financial, BAA is now a private and non UK company now, so there is no investment opportunity (not yet anyway). The average component for recruitment in BAA, is interview 500, weed out the test failures (250), CRB and CTC weeding, brings it to around 150, training starts somewhere around 6/8 weeks, by that time others have found other positions (better salary and benefits/hours), taking it down to last know and discussed figure of around 70. So across all the airports and terminals, the actual number of recruited staff is neglible, compared with the tide of leavers, retirees and others. So the bleed outstrips the infusion.
The new LHR facilities, as far as I have been briefed is just a refurb of T4 and T1, with Terminal East being developed and built over the next 10 years.
Stable regulatory system, sorry situation too fluid. Its all in the adapting of the regulations to suit conditions and facilties. Financial incentives, I think this was a cry from Ferrovial that they now realise what an elephant BAA is and was. 22 extra lanes across all 7 airports ( 7 airports = 12 terms ~ 1.1 lane per terminal )
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Try VP9 in STN. Security for crew there is just a hazzle. I know it has to be done, but come on, there is a crash axe in the flight deck, do you really think my evian and pret a manger sandwich would be my weapon of choice??? Kudos to the Norwegian chap who finally had to much of all this.
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Stephen Nelson (BAA CEO) was interviewed on BBC Radio 4's Today programme this morning. He claimed that queues were already "less than 5 minutes" "80% of the time".
Now, I take care to avoid peak periods whenever possible, but I've never seen a security queue at LHR T1 that's less than 5 minutes - friends who unluckily have to travel at peak periods assure me that they're often more than 30 minutes. I think the trick here is that LHR is open nearly 20 hours a day, but I would bet that 80% of travelers pass through during a few peak hours. So it would be easy to claim good statisitics 80% of the time, while 80% of travelers were experiencing long queues. (If you see what I mean!)
Now, I take care to avoid peak periods whenever possible, but I've never seen a security queue at LHR T1 that's less than 5 minutes - friends who unluckily have to travel at peak periods assure me that they're often more than 30 minutes. I think the trick here is that LHR is open nearly 20 hours a day, but I would bet that 80% of travelers pass through during a few peak hours. So it would be easy to claim good statisitics 80% of the time, while 80% of travelers were experiencing long queues. (If you see what I mean!)
A few points :
1. Why the huge extra problems over Easter ? We all know that Heathrow operates each day of the year with 100% usage of runway slots and that, contrary to what gets written in the press, there is no ability to run extra flights. Nor do airlines have the slack in their fleet usage to substitute larger aircraft. And the typical load factors out of Heathrow at other times are difficult to squeeze upwards much. So is the extra load actually a myth ?
2. BAA state their new target security times and then say they will not be achievable at "peak times", which on closer reading appears to embrace the whole of the summer. Now I don't know about Ferrovial's managenment style, but if I presented my boss with a proposed target and then in the same breath said I was not going to achieve it at key times I would not be about for long.
3. Once again we are told that there is going to be "investment in new screening stations". How many times do we have to say this, the problem is the EXISTING stations, already bought and paid for, are left standing idle. If they were used many of the problems would be overcome. I am convinced it is because the manufacturers and suppliers of the screening equipment, whose price has been increasing by upwards of 25% per annum in recent years, have got their hooks into airport security managers (which in the BAA management pecking order must come at the bottom of the pile as you can't have revenue bonuses associated with the job) and are just saying "Hey, here's another £40 million sloshing about, that's going to be mine".
4. If the money spent on the imbecile and useless pre-screening staff were to be spent instead on proper security staff manning the stations that are standing idle, again much of the problem would be overcome. Why can nobody at BAA see this ?
1. Why the huge extra problems over Easter ? We all know that Heathrow operates each day of the year with 100% usage of runway slots and that, contrary to what gets written in the press, there is no ability to run extra flights. Nor do airlines have the slack in their fleet usage to substitute larger aircraft. And the typical load factors out of Heathrow at other times are difficult to squeeze upwards much. So is the extra load actually a myth ?
2. BAA state their new target security times and then say they will not be achievable at "peak times", which on closer reading appears to embrace the whole of the summer. Now I don't know about Ferrovial's managenment style, but if I presented my boss with a proposed target and then in the same breath said I was not going to achieve it at key times I would not be about for long.
3. Once again we are told that there is going to be "investment in new screening stations". How many times do we have to say this, the problem is the EXISTING stations, already bought and paid for, are left standing idle. If they were used many of the problems would be overcome. I am convinced it is because the manufacturers and suppliers of the screening equipment, whose price has been increasing by upwards of 25% per annum in recent years, have got their hooks into airport security managers (which in the BAA management pecking order must come at the bottom of the pile as you can't have revenue bonuses associated with the job) and are just saying "Hey, here's another £40 million sloshing about, that's going to be mine".
4. If the money spent on the imbecile and useless pre-screening staff were to be spent instead on proper security staff manning the stations that are standing idle, again much of the problem would be overcome. Why can nobody at BAA see this ?
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In STN it is extreemly bad between 5-8am the main reason is due to low fares airlines based there. They are expanding security there but will this help as it seems it isnt the problem of the number of points its just the huge wave off passengers. If you have a flight say 9am you will have no problems but 6pm on a Friday you may miss your flight.
BAA seem to employ lots of part time staff and dont take many people on full time contracts. Surely if they employed full time staff they wouldnt need as many staff.
BAA seem to employ lots of part time staff and dont take many people on full time contracts. Surely if they employed full time staff they wouldnt need as many staff.
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The timescale they have been given is very dissapointing. They say it will take time to hire the staff - Yes, we have been telling them that for ages. 
I am at T3 next week and the deparerture is 20:25 which puts us slap into peak time. When I did T3 in January for an 18:00 departure it was 40 mins in the queue.
I am at T3 next week and the deparerture is 20:25 which puts us slap into peak time. When I did T3 in January for an 18:00 departure it was 40 mins in the queue.
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1. Why the huge extra problems over Easter ? We all know that Heathrow operates each day of the year with 100% usage of runway slots and that, contrary to what gets written in the press, there is no ability to run extra flights. Nor do airlines have the slack in their fleet usage to substitute larger aircraft. And the typical load factors out of Heathrow at other times are difficult to squeeze upwards much. So is the extra load actually a myth ?
One thing they need to drastically improve is the crew channels. CP3 at Queens Building at LHR simply can't cope. One channel soon grinds to a halt with one 747 crew going through it.
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Another reason for the extra delays at holiday times is that some people don't read the notices and only start emptying coins, removing shoes etc. when they reach the end of the queue and are told to do so by staff and that adds to the delays. Seems to happen in both the US and Europe from my experience as SLF.
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As a slight aside, but on the same subject, last time I came into BHX, about 3/4 weeks ago, I noticed one of the immigration lanes had some sort of retinal scan unit installed. It was not operational so we had to queue to be checked by a real person - not too bad on this occasion, maybe 15 mins.
Anybody know what this retinal scan gismo is? Would it reduce immigration times? Does it work?
UFO
Anybody know what this retinal scan gismo is? Would it reduce immigration times? Does it work?
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Given that the current requirement is for 50% of pax to remove their shoes, and 50% not, as determined and advised to them by the security staff according to some formula, perhaps you could explain by what aspect of clairvoyance pax might be expected to know whether they should remove their shoes or not before they are told to by staff - invariably not until they actually reach the screening point.
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It is possible to register for the retinal scan at LHR T1, just past security in International Departures, and use it coming back into UK in lieu of queuing for passport. It think it is for UK (EU?) passport holders only so if yoou need to pass immigration it may not be for you.. Yes it does work but with only one channel that is not always serviceable the benefits can be minimal. The channel is to the right at the endo of the "Immigration" desks and it is not until you go there you are aware of whether or not it is working. By that time you may have to return to the "normal" queue which may have (inevitably) grown in your absence!
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I think it will be better to stay away from yankees advantures in Iraq and Afghanistan and live in peace with all countries. It will take much less of people's money and nerves.
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From WHBM "Once again we are told that there is going to be "investment in new screening stations".
My current and recent experience is at LHR T1 International. My question would be, "why not use ALL of those currently available?" In my view 2 airside security points are overmanned, the one opposite Gate 14 (very under utilised) and the one guarding the entrance to the Gate 25 plus area. In addition, there always seem to be plenty of security staff wandering around staring into space!
My current and recent experience is at LHR T1 International. My question would be, "why not use ALL of those currently available?" In my view 2 airside security points are overmanned, the one opposite Gate 14 (very under utilised) and the one guarding the entrance to the Gate 25 plus area. In addition, there always seem to be plenty of security staff wandering around staring into space!
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I wonder if these additional staff are in addition to the extra staff they are supposed to be already be recruiting.
When I complained about the pathetic service at LGW North they said that they had been recruiting over 200 extra staff since November. Part of the reply is below.
"The issue of security resourcing at Gatwick is a complex one. Unlike
other airports, Gatwick has huge seasonal variances in demand. It also
has infrastructure constraints which make it difficult to reconfigure
the security screening area at short notice. Following the
announcement of the new regulations in November we commenced a recruitment
programme for 200+ new security staff at Gatwick. We have had more than 1,000
applications for the security officer positions, but we need hundreds
more. For every 20 applicants only one officer is offered a job. It
takes approximately 14 weeks from submitting an application to completing
training and criminal record checks and starting work. This is
clearly an area in which no compromise is acceptable to ourselves and the
Department for Transport."
So far my experience has been that the problem is worst at airports run by BAA.
What they should do is give everyone a £20 voucher to spend if you have to wait more than
10 Minutes to pass through security, that would maybe give them an incentive to improve matters.
When I complained about the pathetic service at LGW North they said that they had been recruiting over 200 extra staff since November. Part of the reply is below.
"The issue of security resourcing at Gatwick is a complex one. Unlike
other airports, Gatwick has huge seasonal variances in demand. It also
has infrastructure constraints which make it difficult to reconfigure
the security screening area at short notice. Following the
announcement of the new regulations in November we commenced a recruitment
programme for 200+ new security staff at Gatwick. We have had more than 1,000
applications for the security officer positions, but we need hundreds
more. For every 20 applicants only one officer is offered a job. It
takes approximately 14 weeks from submitting an application to completing
training and criminal record checks and starting work. This is
clearly an area in which no compromise is acceptable to ourselves and the
Department for Transport."
So far my experience has been that the problem is worst at airports run by BAA.
What they should do is give everyone a £20 voucher to spend if you have to wait more than
10 Minutes to pass through security, that would maybe give them an incentive to improve matters.