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Brilliant!! That's good news for me too as I have so many relatives in Sicily and live near LGW! I tried to find a proper KM schedule for Wedge but their site seems to have a little bit of a problem with the flight timetable at the moment so I might try later!!
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From what some posters have said this can be a regular occurence with RYR flights at STN arriving after 23.00. If that is so then RYR will know about the problem and they have absolutely no excuse for ignoring it. I don't buy the explanation of insufficient carousels being the problem, I've never heard of anyone else waiting such a time at peak periods. The problem is straightforward, more resources are needed for baggage handling at those times. RYR won't do anything because they couldn't care less.
I once waited an hour for my luggage at FRA after a nightflight from Baku via Vienna, apparently there was some kind of technical problem. After an hour I just went to lost baggage and said I wasn't waiting any longer as I considered it delayed and they could put into a taxi when it arrived, they didn't even argue with me and my bag turned up a few hours later. I seem to remember this was with Austrian Airlines. I don't know how much a taxi costs from Frankfurt to Strasbourg but it's about 230km so it isn't cheap, of course I'd paid about €2500 for my ticket so I didn't really care. Another example of getting what you pay for. For info RYR don't fly to Baku, in fact I don't believe they fly to FRA either
I once waited an hour for my luggage at FRA after a nightflight from Baku via Vienna, apparently there was some kind of technical problem. After an hour I just went to lost baggage and said I wasn't waiting any longer as I considered it delayed and they could put into a taxi when it arrived, they didn't even argue with me and my bag turned up a few hours later. I seem to remember this was with Austrian Airlines. I don't know how much a taxi costs from Frankfurt to Strasbourg but it's about 230km so it isn't cheap, of course I'd paid about €2500 for my ticket so I didn't really care. Another example of getting what you pay for. For info RYR don't fly to Baku, in fact I don't believe they fly to FRA either
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Just for anyone who thinks Frankfurt (Hahn) might be a good deal it has to be at least 100kms from the city of Frankfurt. How on earth can RYR use the city name of Frankfurt when flying to Hahn ? Don't the trades description people have an opinion on this ?
Imagine if you were German and boarded a plane to London only to arrive in the baggage reclaim hall to see a sign saying "Welcome to Ipswich" When complaining you could be told the train station is down the road or there's a bus stop outside the arrivals hall.
I once collected someone from Hahn airport and it really is in the ar*e end of nowhere. Interestingly I don't recall seeing any BA or LH aircraft parked on the apron, I imagine when they say they are flying to Frankfurt they deposit you at the major international airport situated just a few kms from the city of Frankfurt.
Imagine if you were German and boarded a plane to London only to arrive in the baggage reclaim hall to see a sign saying "Welcome to Ipswich" When complaining you could be told the train station is down the road or there's a bus stop outside the arrivals hall.
I once collected someone from Hahn airport and it really is in the ar*e end of nowhere. Interestingly I don't recall seeing any BA or LH aircraft parked on the apron, I imagine when they say they are flying to Frankfurt they deposit you at the major international airport situated just a few kms from the city of Frankfurt.
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Frankfurt Hahn is about 75 miles or 120 km from Frankfurt
It is called Frankfurt Hahn by FRAPORT who run it (and also FRA, the airport that actually is near to Frankfurt)
I once took the family there for a weekend and we visited Koblenz and had a generally very nice time in time in the middle of a rural area miles away from any built up nonsense
It is called Frankfurt Hahn by FRAPORT who run it (and also FRA, the airport that actually is near to Frankfurt)
I once took the family there for a weekend and we visited Koblenz and had a generally very nice time in time in the middle of a rural area miles away from any built up nonsense
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so you dont buy it the baggage belts or lack of them
well you seem like a very well informed man
and I guess your maths is rather good
lets see normaly there is 30-35 flights landing
between 2250 and 2350 lets say as a guess that all
have 150 pax and all have bags and all are international
flights there are 5 baggage belts you do the maths
coz I cant fit all them flights to baggage belts
and as far as you not trusting what I say re baggage belt
and baggage trucks waiting in line in the undercroft
trust me I drove them truck for 3 years and unloaded
the ryanair aircraft which took no longer than 15-20 mins
from on blocks even before everyone had baggage you would
wait approx 50mins at peak times now with every pax having
at least one bag it must be hell
well you seem like a very well informed man
and I guess your maths is rather good
lets see normaly there is 30-35 flights landing
between 2250 and 2350 lets say as a guess that all
have 150 pax and all have bags and all are international
flights there are 5 baggage belts you do the maths
coz I cant fit all them flights to baggage belts
and as far as you not trusting what I say re baggage belt
and baggage trucks waiting in line in the undercroft
trust me I drove them truck for 3 years and unloaded
the ryanair aircraft which took no longer than 15-20 mins
from on blocks even before everyone had baggage you would
wait approx 50mins at peak times now with every pax having
at least one bag it must be hell
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Frankfurt Hahn
I do agree that the description is more than unfair but I don't think anyone flies into Hahn and actually thinks it is near Frankfurt city. I go there every 3 months or so with a work colleague and it suits us for a day out. 15 miles from the charming Mosel, he goes to Wittlich and buys a zillion ghastly cigarillos which save him £400+ on the UK price. We then use our military ID to go to the PX/BX shops at Bitburg and Spandahlem and stock up on things. Coffee and cakes in Bernkastell and back to the airport. £15 Stansted parking, £25 each return airfare and £45 for a one day hire of a 'C' class Merc. That said, there is no way you would get a good day's proper business done in Frankfurt city centre via Hahn - you'd have to night stop. Somebody wants the flights - they are always very full.
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how far is LHR. LGW, STN, LTN, from london
the only airport in london is city airport
not all people fly to an airport the go to the closest city
back to the start we go again, ryanair fly to CIA
and other major flag carriers fly to FCO
which of the two is closer to the city of rome ?
the only airport in london is city airport
not all people fly to an airport the go to the closest city
back to the start we go again, ryanair fly to CIA
and other major flag carriers fly to FCO
which of the two is closer to the city of rome ?
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All those London airports have fast transport links into central London.
London is one of the largest cities in the world, hence all the airports (bar one) being on the outskirts.
As regards baggage, RYR always have an excuse, don't they ?
All those London airports have fast transport links into central London.
London is one of the largest cities in the world, hence all the airports (bar one) being on the outskirts.
As regards baggage, RYR always have an excuse, don't they ?
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Unfortunately the AUC (pdf) doesn't agree with the rosy picture you paint.When things go wrong, which fortunately doesn't often happen, passengers are not treated well.
How are things at Heathrow? Found that leg yet? I bet the owners of the 20,000 bags there would be delighted for their luggage to only be 1hr 45 minutes late.
Unfortunately the AUC (pdf) doesn't agree with the rosy picture you paint.When things go wrong, which fortunately doesn't often happen, passengers are not treated well.
How are things at Heathrow? Found that leg yet? I bet the owners of the 20,000 bags there would be delighted for their luggage to only be 1hr 45 minutes late.
I never painted a rosy picture, and cerainly not of LHR/BAA (I have posted often on the subject of BAA/LHR recently). Unlike others here, I have on varying occasions criticised BA, Virgin and BMI, and will do so with any airline where I think it is merited. Equally I will praise where I think it is merited.
As to the subject in hand, as I said I have flown over many years with many airlines, and usually the relevant staff try to help out if there are problems, so like I said, I completely disagree with your assumption that airlines will not try to help when things go wrong. That is my experience.
I would just like to know how the relevant management plan to sort out the problems highlighted by Wedge. He has a valid point.
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how far is LHR. LGW, STN, LTN, from london
LHR 18 miles
LGW 32 miles
STN 35 miles
LTN 35 miles
... and Hahn is 75 miles away from Frankfurt
... so
57 miles further than LHR
43 miles further than LGW
and shall we just say more than twice as far as STN and LTN?
Please enrol for remedial geography immediately daz
And CIA is a great little airport for point to point travel, as is LCY, but neither are hubs, which FCO and LHR are, so apples and pears.
LHR 18 miles
LGW 32 miles
STN 35 miles
LTN 35 miles
... and Hahn is 75 miles away from Frankfurt
... so
57 miles further than LHR
43 miles further than LGW
and shall we just say more than twice as far as STN and LTN?
Please enrol for remedial geography immediately daz
And CIA is a great little airport for point to point travel, as is LCY, but neither are hubs, which FCO and LHR are, so apples and pears.
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how far is LHR. LGW, STN, LTN, from london
LHR 18 miles
LGW 32 miles
STN 35 miles
LTN 35 miles
... and Hahn is 75 miles away from Frankfurt
... so
57 miles further than LHR
43 miles further than LW
and shall we just say more than twice as far as STN and LTN?
Please enrol for remedial geography immediately daz
LHR 18 miles
LGW 32 miles
STN 35 miles
LTN 35 miles
... and Hahn is 75 miles away from Frankfurt
... so
57 miles further than LHR
43 miles further than LW
and shall we just say more than twice as far as STN and LTN?
Please enrol for remedial geography immediately daz
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I am not sure that the actual distances involved are the issue - are LGW, LTN, STN, genuine "London" airports? We could discuss that all night. EMA has been renamed "Nottingham EMA" for marketing reasons even though it is a lot closer to Derby!
Fact is that certain LoCo's maps simply list an interesting city location (Glasgow, Frankfurt, London, etc) without making it clear that the airport is in the middle of BFE with no easy links to the actual place you thought you were going. Seasoned travelers will know these things but the vast majority of folks (who travel by plane rarely) will generally assume if a destination is given as "Stockholm", that is where they will be. Regular, easy and high speed links (as is the case with ARN) will make this not a problem; but the real issue is: the marketing is at best disingenuous and at times simply downright lies. And I don't buy the concept that if you don't read the small print then tough luck. There must surely be some kind of transparency to protect the majority of travelers (who are not frequent SLF).
(You may guess from this that I once found myself in the wrong place!)
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Fact is that certain LoCo's maps simply list an interesting city location (Glasgow, Frankfurt, London, etc) without making it clear that the airport is in the middle of BFE with no easy links to the actual place you thought you were going. Seasoned travelers will know these things but the vast majority of folks (who travel by plane rarely) will generally assume if a destination is given as "Stockholm", that is where they will be. Regular, easy and high speed links (as is the case with ARN) will make this not a problem; but the real issue is: the marketing is at best disingenuous and at times simply downright lies. And I don't buy the concept that if you don't read the small print then tough luck. There must surely be some kind of transparency to protect the majority of travelers (who are not frequent SLF).
(You may guess from this that I once found myself in the wrong place!)
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am not sure that the actual distances involved are the issue
Well, when the airport is 75 miles away from the city it's named after, I might take issue with your statement
Let's think of some crackers ............
Newcastle West (Carlisle, 61 miles)
Lancaster North (Carlisle, 67 miles)
Darlington North (Carlisle, 76 miles)
Carlisle could be on a winner here :-)
Well, when the airport is 75 miles away from the city it's named after, I might take issue with your statement
Let's think of some crackers ............
Newcastle West (Carlisle, 61 miles)
Lancaster North (Carlisle, 67 miles)
Darlington North (Carlisle, 76 miles)
Carlisle could be on a winner here :-)
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Every trip on an airline has two bits at the end where you have to go by land.
Some people off to Frankfurt will find it more convenient to go to an airport ten miles from their house, fly to Hahn, and then travel the 70 miles to Frankfurt.
Some people will find it more convenient to travel 90 miles to Heathrow, fly to Frankfurt airport and travel the few miles to Frankfurt.
If you lived in Santiago de Compostela and you wanted to go to Frankfurt, I'd be interested in reasons to travel via Madrid just so you could fly to Frankfurt airport. You'd fly from your local airport non-stop to Hahn and do the road trip the other end.
People are so stuck in the past, these locos have opened up a huge part of Europe where it now makes it easy to fly. That has boosted business and generated jobs in the regions (and in the airlines).
And what about the people who live near Hahn? They have a service where before they had to drive to Frankfurt. Those who want to fly LHR-FRA just get on with it and stop telling the rest of us what to do with our money.
Total time from door to door and total cost from door to door is all that counts, IMO. That will depend greatly on where you live, and most people don't live in London.
Some people off to Frankfurt will find it more convenient to go to an airport ten miles from their house, fly to Hahn, and then travel the 70 miles to Frankfurt.
Some people will find it more convenient to travel 90 miles to Heathrow, fly to Frankfurt airport and travel the few miles to Frankfurt.
If you lived in Santiago de Compostela and you wanted to go to Frankfurt, I'd be interested in reasons to travel via Madrid just so you could fly to Frankfurt airport. You'd fly from your local airport non-stop to Hahn and do the road trip the other end.
People are so stuck in the past, these locos have opened up a huge part of Europe where it now makes it easy to fly. That has boosted business and generated jobs in the regions (and in the airlines).
And what about the people who live near Hahn? They have a service where before they had to drive to Frankfurt. Those who want to fly LHR-FRA just get on with it and stop telling the rest of us what to do with our money.
Total time from door to door and total cost from door to door is all that counts, IMO. That will depend greatly on where you live, and most people don't live in London.
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stn arrivals tonight
just to let you know
all those people talking about 5 baggage belt are enought
and are nothing to do with stn baggage delays
tonight arrivals between 2300 and 2359 total (44) flights
thats 44 arrivals in one hour each a/c carrying well over 100 pax
and bags
now tell me that this has nothing to to with the baggage arrival times
all those people talking about 5 baggage belt are enought
and are nothing to do with stn baggage delays
tonight arrivals between 2300 and 2359 total (44) flights
thats 44 arrivals in one hour each a/c carrying well over 100 pax
and bags
now tell me that this has nothing to to with the baggage arrival times
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You are correct about budget airlines in some casses opening up alternative routes, but the point by goshdarnit is also true. It is the deceptive nature of the place names with some airlines that cause problems.
I mean why not call Gerona what it is, rather than calling it Barcelona, which it clearly is not. Or why call a former military airfield at Weeze in Germany, Dusseldorf (which it clearly is not). Sure, new routes have opened up, but only under the pretence they go somewhere other than where they really go to.
You are correct about budget airlines in some casses opening up alternative routes, but the point by goshdarnit is also true. It is the deceptive nature of the place names with some airlines that cause problems.
I mean why not call Gerona what it is, rather than calling it Barcelona, which it clearly is not. Or why call a former military airfield at Weeze in Germany, Dusseldorf (which it clearly is not). Sure, new routes have opened up, but only under the pretence they go somewhere other than where they really go to.
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Daz211, sorry to take issue, but the problem at STN doesn't seem to be mainly the belts. In my case recently, the only reason the baggage hall was so full, was all the people were standing arround waiting for a carousel to be allocated to their flight.
At no time were more than three out of five carousels in action. The reason why I mentioned the forlorn bags still on the carousel, clearly mis-delivered, was that nobody had bothered to remove them (for the entire 1.5 hours I was there waiting for my bags). Next time any of you go through STN, I recommend to check the destination tags of these bags, just for a laugh to see the destinations!
Further to that, there was a very fine drizzle on the evening in question. When my bags did finally arrive, they were significantly wet, which means that for a good portion of that time, they were sitting out in the open (unless of course, this undercroft you mention isnt "under" at all).
At no time were more than three out of five carousels in action. The reason why I mentioned the forlorn bags still on the carousel, clearly mis-delivered, was that nobody had bothered to remove them (for the entire 1.5 hours I was there waiting for my bags). Next time any of you go through STN, I recommend to check the destination tags of these bags, just for a laugh to see the destinations!
Further to that, there was a very fine drizzle on the evening in question. When my bags did finally arrive, they were significantly wet, which means that for a good portion of that time, they were sitting out in the open (unless of course, this undercroft you mention isnt "under" at all).