same old question ?
 

one of my most favourite questions of all time ....

when can we expect the next update ???

80% finished Debugging v2.8 now after feature freeze. Coming along fine. No promises (as usual we're always late), but **hopefully** by 28Jun12.

There are new maps (and some have been renamed) on 28th June so we'll either need to push out our new v2.8 or re-release an incremental v2.7.2.1 by then so you can see the new VNC's(Tassie) and TAC's (Karratha/Broome)

sweet ... thanks !!

Same here. While paxing home after LVE a week or so back I turned my Ipad 1 on just after TOPC, leaned it up against the window, and it worked out where it was pretty quickly and then never missed a beat all the way to the Indon FIR boundary. Only limited fooling with it along the way.

I am getting an IPAD 3 shortly...just for the better screen. The IPAD 1 will go to 'Golden Child MK2' with lots of games on. Little fcker is not 2 1/2 yet and he can already work the 1 enough to find and watch videos of Poppy in the 'Taimoff' :ok:

Chuckles - before you do that, put them up side by side and you might be surprised. Photos will look the same but the text will be a little clearer on the 3.
Did that myself and barely noticed a difference.

Correct - iPad2 & 3 look pretty similar. iPad2 actually runs faster as there's less images to load, and it's almost identical hardware. It would have been awesome if they had put a quad-core in the new one.

iThink
 

iThink .. the most benefit with apple products will be in alternating cycles

iPhone 3G to iPhone 4 to the next iphone

ipad2 to ipad 4th gen

even with macbook pro's every alternate release is a better bump in features and more value for money.

but hey .... i have seen hard core apple fans (moi-bitter half) bye every release and they also have prefect timings when it comes to pass on / gift / sell the old ones. :}

Finally New WAC's -- or a new way to make money & cut down trees.
 

some new WAC's coming out 1st July ... any updates with regards to that ?

the 28th June map updates - do they include the WAC updates or not ?

No. Everything except WAC & OpenStreetMap.

Note: There are 3 new VNC's (Deniliquin,Hobart,Launceston) & 2 new TAC's (and 3xTAC's have had a name change). TAC4 is now TAC6, TAC5 is now TAC4 and there's a new TAC5 Broome & Karratha. These maps are hard-coded in, so we'll be releasing an update (v2.7.2.1) on 28th so these new maps are available. Subsequent map name changes/additions will be better handled in v2.8 so this doesn't happen.

I haven't got access to the latest WAC yet (they will update half of Australia). What I'll do is make them live and any new downloads will include the new ones. I'll put in a facility in v2.8 (testing now) to delete the old WAC to make way for the new.

Hey guys,

First off, great app!

Is there a way to save the scratch pad?? did a couple of longer flights yesterday in which the app forced closed once (user error i think!)& crashed another time (gps had a hissy fit) but started up again all sweet, plan still there etc but it clears the scratch pad!

I think it would be useful if the scratch pad saved all entry's until the user deletes them, this way at least info won't be lost if the app crashes or force closes & also if I scribble something on it & then need it later it will still be there!

Cheers

so whats happening to the WAC's Again ?

We don't have access to the WAC's till July 1st, then we'll put them up ASAP.

so 2.8 coming out with the new wacs ?

Can't download this app? Where has it gone?:confused:

Check OZRunways.com

It's a temporary problem :-(

For those who need the updated maps (TAC charts and the new VNC maps) - just download AvPlan - you can use it for a month for free.

(Yes I run the company that produce AvPlan - I didn't think that was a big secret..)

Another plug for your software huh Bevan?

Yes Aimpoint, not the first time and agreed it should be in it's own thread.

On a brighter note I may have been privy to what is coming in the OZRunways latest version! Stay tuned for some impressive terrain features for starters. It's displayed in a way that I have not seen before on a GPS and is quite innovative in my opinion and quite dynamic (you'll know what I mean when you see it).

I for one applaud Avplan/Bevan666's post.
Avplan appears to be a worthy competitor for Ozrunways.
I have Ozrunways so I don't think I can be accused of bias.
Surely we all should applaud the existence of a competitor for Ozrunways, as a monopoly of one or other is not in the consumers interest.
So Bevan666, keep up the good work, and the same goes to the Ozrunways crew.
Also, good to see that Avplan have the new maps up so soon after they were released.

John

The WAC charts for Australia.... Is it 1 seamless digital version for Australia, or are the individual WACs scanned and 'stuck' together to form a near seamless WAC? (I would assume a digital version can automatically account for the mapping projection used)

I guess the quality has to be reduced to limit the file size and match the IPad capabilities, but I was hoping for a better quality image that can be zoomed whilst remaining sharp. (ESP with retina iPad)

Not that I am saying it's bad, just rather hoping it was better.

Sorry for the continued delay folks. On Wednesday we got an email they were going to do an expedited review. Almost 6 days later and it's still "waiting for review".

What's even more frustrating is that with all the research we've done into what wen't wrong, we're now convinced that its a bug way down in a component called Core Data and completely beyond our control. :ugh:

Trying very hard to work our contacts at Apple (admittedly not a lot) to push this through.

What we get are digital files of the individual maps, but they are just images with geo-referencing information. So we need to stitch them together and in the process they also get warped to the correct projection. So yes, some quality is lost in that process, as always happen when you transform an image.

Bevan, I'm sure that if you start another thread on AvPlan then you'll be fine with the Moderators. The arguement of the value of these threads has already been fought with the Mods and was successful.

Perhaps start one titled "AvPlan," rather than the "Avplan versus OZRunways" one that exists already. I've had questions before about AvPlan when I ran it but felt that the OzRunways thread was not the place to ask them.

He made a post directly relating to an issue with Oz Runways, which an alternative product (his) has sorted. I think his post was quite relevant.

Your comment would be valid if he just hopped onto this thread and hijacked it with general hard-sell Avplan, but that is not the case here.

Previous post deleted - sorry Bevan666, was thinking of MilFlyer (http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...ml#post7051118) - sincere apologies.

Correct - nothing wrong with some friendly competition. But I'd rather this forum stick to asking questions of the dev's to make flying better in Australia, rather than spamming/flaming/trolling/astroturfing/whatever.

Yes v2.8 update is frustrating, but worth the wait! We're ditching Apple CoreData for storage of plans/aircraft soon so this kind of thing doesn't happen again. It's too fragile for updates breaking, as it self-crashes rather than offering a "degraded" mode that still works.

Hello Shaggie, I am like you. I am happy with Ozrunways and wait patiently for the update. Good luck with a local Australian product. So many users can't be wrong. Best wishes.

Thanks fly watcher!

And for the record (to dispel some myths put out there by others) there are less than 100 people affected. Those are 100 important people and we feel terrible, but it is a very small part of our user base.

The sad reality is that these things happen at some point to just about any software product, no matter how good QC and intentions. Anyone wringing their hands at our misfortune or assuming other products are immune to this should remember that.

Unfortunately, with the App Store and its review process, it unnecessarily gets made much worse. But remember that anybody that didn't upgrade, it's business as usual, which is the vast majority of our customers.

In the mean time, thanks for supporting us and thanks for your patience.

I don't think he has, I read this thread like a lot of others to keep track of what is happening. I have always been aware that he has an alternative product. I don't think I've read him slagging the other product. As far as I'm concerned the 'truth' has always been out. I don't know anybody involved, have no financial interest and no barrow to push. Keep up your good work as well Bevan :D

Astroturfing?? This was one big astroturfing thread, Shag. That's all fine, seems the Mods don't mind - but let's not now play precious when the thread goes the other way. The fact is you appear to have charged people over $100 for something, and you haven't delivered in a reliable fashion.

Seriously - are you going to offer a partial refund for those who have had the App disabled? I'd e-mail you direct with my subscription details, but I have a feeling that wouldn't bode well - regardless I moved over to AvPlan. It was a good 'first to market' app, but it seems professional Apps have overtaken you.

Oh and Aimpoint - I don't think the Bevan bloke has said a single thing non-verifiable against OzRunways. I've slammed it though when discussing with colleagues - I think history will now show it was valid. I'm sure that the Bas bloke and "Shag" bloke are nice people - but let's not pretend they haven't :mad:ed up, at the expense of others shall we?

General lesson to all. Whenever you go to update an App, leave it in your update queue for a few days.

FWIW, if the problem was with an "Apple" component of the database/coding/nerd-stuff I fail to see what liability the OzRunways crew have to anybody. It's clearly stated on the splash screen "not for use in air navigation" even though we all do anyway.

If people choose to go to AvPlan, well, it's a free country. But I had more dramas with AvPlan in the 4 week trial period than I've had with OzRunways in 12 months. I tried it with two seperate installs on two separate Ipad2's and both times it crashed to the home screen far too often to be usefu for me. The only problems I've had with OzRunways were the Karratha VTC georeferencing was displayed incorrectly about 6 months ago and no updated WAC's/TAC's for the latest revision - which is apparently an Apple glitch. I've got the latest database, VNC's and the like so it isn't a big issue in the big scheme of things.

I'm happy to give The OzRunways crew my $100-odd a year and if there is an occasional glitch, even if it may be their fault, it is still money well spent.

lol... wasn't aware that meant "We'll stop you using it in total because you updated the App"

-- true... if you don't bother testing your software before rolling it out to the punters... :ugh:

See how that works out when your Holden Commodore breaks down and Holden say "Ohh. it's not our fault.. a third party component broke, so don't blame us" :ugh:

At the end of the day I really don't care. Just get's on my goat when people claim there is some kind of negative astroturfing going on, when they appear to have genuinely :mad:ed up.

I do love the "Oh it was Apple's fault" though. Hah :D

Your quote KR:
Where did you spend that? With one of the programmers of OzRunways at P3s?

I've been using PPRune since 2001. Previous account was deleted by ADMIN due to an awesome script I wrote which deleted all previous posts (all 10k of them) :E

I've never seen such a commercially motivated and dominated thread. It used to be a free discussion and Danny Fyne owning PPRune, believe it or not, actually helped that. PPRune seems to have now developed into a "OzRunways owns this thread... how dare you bad mouth it" instead of what it's supposed to be - a free discussion.

Seriously, to have the actual *DEVELOPER* of a product, post in here and suggest he shouldn't be criticised, and the thread should be kept to "asking me about how good our product is" aka "kept to asking the Dev's questions" shows just how far PPRuNe has fallen.

Naturally someone who offers the same product offers a short update, that their product is available for those stuck out with no service. Then to have those sided with one side criticize? Seriously.. WTF.

Sh*t, the developer, who's making money from this thread, saying "I'd like to keep this thread about <talking to me, don't bad mouth me or discuss anything negative>" . Then randoms of unknown background backing him up with lines like "Another plug huh?" to someone who offers something that it not perfectly in line with selling the product in question.

It's been sad to watch the decline of PPRuNe - you used to know what was a paid ad, instead it's been taken over by people selling their products under anonymous names, asking mates to post things etc.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. For the guy who's selling tens of thousands worth of dollars worth of software licences to say:

and the response from some to be "Yeah, don't use this thread to critisize it" means PPRuNe has reached or approaches it's nadir :cool:

**** Frozo I thought it was just an Ipad app.

At the moment, the Apple App store would suggest otherwise. :=

I don't have a dog in this fight, just sh*ts me that PPRuNe has turned from a strict discussion forum to a Free Ad - don't you dare question this free Ad "forum".. :ugh:

But hey, I acknowledge I don't own PPRuNe. It's their train set...

Except when the Apple compiler caches an old database copy into the app store release which you CANNOT test for. It's submitted to Apple, who after 12 days "test" it (apparently not that we'll), then it's released. The app store copy is identical to our copies which we have been testing for months, except when XCode compiles it incorrectly, and since it's encrypted for the app store we cannot run it.

We release onto App Store at 10pm in case there are any problems, so it affects a minimal number of people. We instantly Realise there's a problem and pull it within 10 minutes. Some people update, which is obviously bad and we'll fix them up with free subscription time.

3 hours later (working till 1am), and we've submitted a new version to Apple and submitted for an expedited review. Apple lose expedited review. We resubmit expedited review. Apple are closed for weekend & 4th July. We call Australian Apple rep contact, who calls USA and is told to get lost. We get another contact (high profile developer in the US) to forward request to a personal contact in the review team. Unsure of result.

Also unable to roll back to previous versions on the App Store.

Totally out of our control - both the bug and the fix time.

So when you say "next time test it" - of course we test it; I've done tons of testing. But when our tools of the trade fail us, the most we can do is work through the problem, and wait. And wait. And wait, it seems. This is the advantage & limitation of the app review process. It stops a lot of bad apps getting through, thus making for a better user experience, but seems to lack any facility to rapidly deal with critical bug fixes in a timely manner.

We're ditching Apple CoreData so this doesn't happen again, so I'm happy to call it a once-off.

Ahhh train sets .... now that's another can of worms, been there done that too! :E

Gees, would you want pass a frozo as a customer?? I'd pay the pr!ck to go away :cool:

:} its just some 4th of july bad luck plus you know its 2012 ... end of the world and stuff.. you guys will be ok ... and you know what great app by the way :D

Yeah, lets hope the one guy they have on the app review team that they kick aviation apps to (because he can make sense of them) hasn't taken annual leave over the 4th of July week.

Frustrating...

Also: I think we never made this clear; it "only" crashed updates and seems only about 50% of those. When this has happened to other Apps in the past (it happens way too regularly), the reaction has usually been: tough luck, delete and re-install. But we didn't want to do that because we didn't want you guys to lose the aircraft you set up or have to download 2 GB again.

App Store Problem Causes Loading Issues for a Number of iOS, Mac Apps

Seems lots of other apps are having similar problems this week....