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Old 28th Feb 2024, 01:17
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No never used it as I have a BP card. Surprises me that you had to go through that. It could be that the bowser had just gone in and the software via internet was not running properly yet. Country towns out there have trouble getting it sometimes. Next time call flying fuels first at PF and check is all I can suggest. They are putting bowsers all over SA it appears. Now have one at Leigh Creek too.
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The credit card Shell bowsers at YLEC have always operated flawlessly.
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The credit card Shell bowsers at YLEC have always operated flawlessly.
Flying Fuels at YLEC not Shell.
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When did that change?
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Probably about a year or so ago , time goes too fast. The old Shell bowser got shut down I believe the tank had a leak. With the mine closing too that was the end of it. There was no fuel there for sometime then zFlying Fuels at PF put a credit card bowser in along with others around the state. With PF slowly dying I don’t think it can carry two refuellers full time so the old Shell outlet now known as Flying Fuels diversified and supply a few country towns too. I don’t use them at PF myself as I have an account with BP.
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When did that change?
Was BP never Shell from my memory - was a problem with the tank and then nothing for a few years until Flying Fuels took it up maybe five year ago. The ever reliable Desert Flower will confirm I reckon with more details 😄
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Heard a rumor AIR BP Moorabbin is closing its doors shortly,
can anyone confirm this??
Not heard that one.. source?
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Was BP never Shell from my memory - was a problem with the tank and then nothing for a few years until Flying Fuels took it up maybe five year ago. The ever reliable Desert Flower will confirm I reckon with more details 😄
Definitely BP & not a self-serve bowser either. I was the refueller there for 20 years until a routine inspection found a hole in the JetA1 tank in 2008. Because of the downturn in traffic over the years, it was deemed not viable to replace it & the whole facility was shut down. There was nothing there for several years until intense lobbying by the local progress association to the Outback Communities Authority resulted in FF setting up self-serve bowsers. I can't remember the exact year, but it would have to be at least 12.

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Old 28th Feb 2024, 06:23
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My recollection is that when the first credit card bowsers were introduced at YLEC, they were Shell. AirBP doesn’t ‘do’ credit card bowsers - kinda one of the facts discussed in this thread.

Happy to stand corrected of course. As you say, DF will shed (authoritative) light on the subject.

PS added after reading DF’s. That confirms YLEC was never a BP credit card bowser. I will have to look at my CC statements for YLEC refuels to work out why I thought they were Shell bowsers.
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PS added after reading DF’s. That confirms YLEC was never a BP credit card bowser. I will have to look at my CC statements for YLEC refuels to work out why I thought they were Shell bowsers.
Leigh Creek was never a Shell site. Maybe you're thinking of Coober Pedy?
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Leigh Creek was never a Shell site. Maybe you're thinking of Coober Pedy?
Stark Aviation or "Flying Fuels" as they now call themselves used to be the Shell agent at Parafield until Shell pulled out, so they are now an independent. To the best of my knowledge, the fuel they sell now comes from BP. After doing a bit more sleuthing, I believe the setup may have been installed in 2012.

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YLEC has never been the same friendly place since Desert Flower was sent into (compulsory) retirement!

Think On Eyre and others would agree.

Miss ya Minties and fruitcake, don'tcha DF!
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YLEC has never been the same friendly place since Desert Flower was sent into (compulsory) retirement!

Think On Eyre and others would agree.

Miss ya Minties and fruitcake, don'tcha DF!
Haha Pinky - I sure do!

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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Leigh Creek was never a Shell site. Maybe you're thinking of Coober Pedy?
I’m pretty sure the credit card bowsers at YLEC were Shell branded for quite some time. What makes you sure they never were?
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I’m pretty sure the credit card bowsers at YLEC were Shell branded for quite some time. What makes you sure they never were?
As I said earlier FF were originally Shell agents - so the bowsers might have been Shell-branded.

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Old 29th Feb 2024, 01:19
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
I’m pretty sure the credit card bowsers at YLEC were Shell branded for quite some time. What makes you sure they never were?
Only that YLEC wasn't on Shell Aviation's list of sites when we started doing inspections for them back in 2004 (that's twenty years ago! yikes!!).. but then SAV never did have much of a presence in SA. Quite possibly because the SA regionals were owned (not just operated) by local agents as DF suggests?? Makes sense. I'd always wondered about that.

I found it amusing that the paper-pushers at the various oil majors often had no idea which sites they owned/operated from week to week. and it's still the case today.
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Only that YLEC wasn't on Shell Aviation's list of sites when we started doing inspections for them back in 2004 (that's twenty years ago! yikes!!).. but then SAV never did have much of a presence in SA. Quite possibly because the SA regionals were owned (not just operated) by local agents as DF suggests?? Makes sense. I'd always wondered about that.

I found it amusing that the paper-pushers at the various oil majors often had no idea which sites they owned/operated from week to week. and it's still the case today.
Most regional airports back then were more likely to be BP than anything else. And yes BP was there in 2004.

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Old 29th Feb 2024, 08:21
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Originally Posted by Desert Flower
Most regional airports back then were more likely to be BP than anything else. And yes BP was there in 2004.

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My understanding of the country aerodrome fuel situation back in the day (and still so) was that the geography of the country meant that fuel volumes out in the bush were not enough to sustain multiple suppliers at each location.
My understanding is that the ACCC approved a split up of the supply in regions to the different companies. That is still the case today. So in some states BP dominates, Shell in others, World Fuel Services in others and more widely independents.
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Originally Posted by On eyre
My understanding is that the ACCC approved a split up of the supply in regions to the different companies. That is still the case today. So in some states BP dominates, Shell in others, World Fuel Services in others and more widely independents.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Basically, the oil majors lost control a few years back and now anyone who cares to fill in the paperwork can sell fuel anywhere they want. Independents, yep.. even airports themselves!

Personally, I'll always choose one of the majors if I have a choice, but only because I know they do more QC checks than some of the others. Buyer beware.
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Originally Posted by FUELSNITCH
Heard a rumor AIR BP Moorabbin is closing its doors shortly,
can anyone confirm this??
Yes, later this month. They told me today.
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