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RFDS feeling effects of global pilot shortage

Old 27th Sep 2019, 14:20
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Originally Posted by Trevor the lover View Post
... just what is a bush pilot now? Is remote area flying really remote area flying when a coupled up GPS takes you to within 3 meters of some Kimberley dirts strip.
You bet Trev. They are all using GPS and iPads. Do you think that makes them lesser Pilots? I donít.

These things help to keep them safe and makes their operations more efficient. Amazing enhancements to situational awareness.

Donít anyone start with Ďits too distracting they forget the basics blah blah blah...í there are plenty of good pilots out there using this stuff. Youíd be a bad pilot if you didnít.

I bet their wizz wheel forefathers wouldíve put an iPad in their flight bag if it had been available to them.

Young pilots find it hard to stick it out in GA with bad pay and dodgy employers for enough time to make RFDS minimums. In the meantime airlines often offer a quicker path to stable employment.
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Old 29th Sep 2019, 09:21
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Back in the old days progression into the airlines was harder and the RFDS was a good option for a pilot who had served his bush apprenticeship but missed out on QF/Ansett/TAA. It was a more secure and better paid option then charter or night freight. Due to the poor conditions in GA, it wasn't difficult for the RFDS to offer a better deal. A stable job with an employer who wouldn't go bust was a big attraction for an older pilot with a family and a mortgage.

These days GA is drying up and new pilots are spending far less time up north and out west before moving on to a better job. Even good employers are having difficulty in attracting and retaining the sort of pilots they want, the bad ones who previously got away with paying below the award just get laughed at.

The pool that the RFDS previously looked to recruit from has shrunk, they aren't competing with third level operators for pilots now and need to improve the package.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 02:10
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Originally Posted by rcoight View Post
Good question. It certainly sounds like management / accountant speak.
Yup, my thoughts exactly.
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Old 30th Sep 2019, 02:10
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I wonder if when the wizz wheel was introduced people decried its use as only by those who could not handle a little real arithmetic and hence were not as good in the arcane art of piloting an infernal device from one place to another.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 13:22
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The doctors are pretty good at curing pilots of their aviation sickness. Would recommend it.
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Old 2nd Oct 2019, 15:38
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Originally Posted by sdielectrical View Post
The doctors are pretty good at curing pilots of their aviation sickness. Would recommend it.
What is that supposed to mean?
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 08:14
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Originally Posted by rcoight View Post


What is that supposed to mean?
A year working for the RFDS was a good experience, but it changed me and by the end of it I no longer had any desire to fly commercially ever again. I went back to my old job (non aviation) and now I have a much better life and so many more prospects and opportunities. I no longer have to deal with all the negative things about commercial aviation in Australia and I no longer have to worry about putting food on the table and being able to leave something for my kids.

Only 9 months have passed but I will never look back. I have no class 1, no IPC, no ASIC. Things couldn't be better.

The RFDS has a lot of problems but they are their problems, not mine. Interestingly, soon after I left 2 more pilots left from the same base. They both went back to their old jobs.

"The best job in GA" , well maybe. That is for the individual to decide.

A year with the RFDS cured me of my aviation sickness (or addiction)

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Old 6th Oct 2019, 16:39
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Originally Posted by sdielectrical View Post
A year working for the RFDS was a good experience, but it changed me and by the end of it I no longer had any desire to fly commercially ever again. I went back to my old job (non aviation) and now I have a much better life and so many more prospects and opportunities. I no longer have to deal with all the negative things about commercial aviation in Australia and I no longer have to worry about putting food on the table and being able to leave something for my kids.

Only 9 months have passed but I will never look back. I have no class 1, no IPC, no ASIC. Things couldn't be better.

The RFDS has a lot of problems but they are their problems, not mine. Interestingly, soon after I left 2 more pilots left from the same base. They both went back to their old jobs.

"The best job in GA" , well maybe. That is for the individual to decide.

A year with the RFDS cured me of my aviation sickness (or addiction)
So, is this sentiment still accurate then?

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Old 7th Oct 2019, 01:00
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A year with the RFDS cured me of my aviation sickness (or addiction)
yet here you are, on a pilots forum.
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Old 7th Oct 2019, 04:49
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yet here you are, on a pilots forum.
So am I - after not having been paid to fly since 2004. What's your point? His opinion and commentary are just as valid as someone still earning a crust flying.
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Old 8th Oct 2019, 05:13
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RFDS

moving to places like Meekatharra and Kalgoorlie etc to fly single engine turbine with the experience that RFDS are chasing is becoming harder to justify. Most guys with that time have already done the country stint and it would be a backward step career wise. HR types and insurance companies are still all about ME time. Jets arenít for everyone but living in those towns isnít for many either
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 02:48
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Hi, I've been overseas for a while and returning to Aus in the near future.
I would appreciate any direction on the RFDS interview.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 12:43
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Hi Everyone,

My post recently was one of a general experience in aviation but I would like to clarify now that I have had many jobs and the 1 year I worked for the RFDS South Eastern Section was the worst job I have had in my life. I have been fortunate to work for some fantastic individuals who have helped me progress in the industry and trusted me with their machines, their livelihoods and their reputations. Many of these jobs I have had have been very low paid financially. The RFDS job was a higher paying job, but I paid a much higher price with the way I was treated. When I compare back to the early days there is no comparison for me. Chalk and Cheese. If something ever happened to me one day whilst I was on the clock for the RFDS I know just how shafted I would be. It is not a comfortable situation to be in.

After 6 months in the job I told them to get stuffed and gave them 6 months notice. They left me alone for 6 months and I walked out the door on the last day my instrument rating was valid.

It is a small industry and mates look after each other.

Don't go and work for these clowns.

I used to donate money to the RFDS. I could not bring myself to do that anymore.

Very disappointing.

You have been warned. If anyone would like information please PM me.

I am not on here very often so please be patient with replies

Cheers

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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 10:37
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Originally Posted by Lt DAN View Post
moving to places like Meekatharra and Kalgoorlie etc to fly single engine turbine with the experience that RFDS are chasing is becoming harder to justify. Most guys with that time have already done the country stint and it would be a backward step career wise. HR types and insurance companies are still all about ME time. Jets arenít for everyone but living in those towns isnít for many either
I don't think it's realistic to compare Kalgoorlie with Meekatharra.

Meekatharra, population just over 1000, high crime rate, 2 pubs, 1 supermarket. Not much to do, and a long drive to Geraldton or Perth to get to the coast.

Kalgoorlie, population over 30 000, plenty of places to eat out, good sporting facilities, 4 hours from Esperance, 6 from Perth. It's basically an inland city, without all the traffic and hassles of Perth.
I lived in Kal for 15 years and had a great time. The town does go through its ups and downs, according to the mining cycle, but it's still a great place to live. Oh, and don't believe all that BS on Kalgoorlie Cops!

In Westops, Kal was usually the second favourite base, after JT. Broome has probably secured that spot now.
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 07:59
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Originally Posted by sdielectrical View Post
Hi Everyone,

My post recently was one of a general experience in aviation but I would like to clarify now that I have had many jobs and the 1 year I worked for the RFDS South Eastern Section was the worst job I have had in my life. I have been fortunate to work for some fantastic individuals who have helped me progress in the industry and trusted me with their machines, their livelihoods and their reputations. Many of these jobs I have had have been very low paid financially. The RFDS job was a higher paying job, but I paid a much higher price with the way I was treated. When I compare back to the early days there is no comparison for me. Chalk and Cheese. If something ever happened to me one day whilst I was on the clock for the RFDS I know just how shafted I would be. It is not a comfortable situation to be in.

After 6 months in the job I told them to get stuffed and gave them 6 months notice. They left me alone for 6 months and I walked out the door on the last day my instrument rating was valid.

It is a small industry and mates look after each other.

Don't go and work for these clowns.

I used to donate money to the RFDS. I could not bring myself to do that anymore.

Very disappointing.

You have been warned. If anyone would like information please PM me.

I am not on here very often so please be patient with replies

Cheers
Why do I get the feel that thereís more to this story that youíre not letting on about.....?
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 08:32
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Why do I get the feel that thereís more to this story that youíre not letting on about.....?
I have to agree with you there Morno, I've got a few mates that have been thru the SE section of the RFDS, best job they ever had they always mention so something doesn't add up with that one post?
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Old 4th Nov 2019, 19:46
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Why do I get the feel that thereís more to this story that youíre not letting on about.....?
Has to be, that's a very short length of tenure for that kind of job. Not for everyone I guess..............
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Old 5th Nov 2019, 00:38
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Has to be, that's a very short length of tenure for that kind of job. Not for everyone I guess..............
Yeah it isnít for everyone, definitely true. But the comments from the author suggests that wasnít the problem.
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Old 6th Nov 2019, 01:01
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Snake bite brings up Careflight NT pilot shortage comment

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Old 6th Nov 2019, 01:22
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Originally Posted by morno View Post


Why do I get the feel that thereís more to this story that youíre not letting on about.....?
Ok, lets get back to the basic thread.
I ask you WHY do the RFDS allegedly have a problem employing and then retaining pilots for their operation? 130 or so earlier posters have gone back and forth on this topic, most of whom probably have no idea of what it's like to work for the RFDS TODAY.

Then a fairly recent past-employee posts about the experience and you and a couple of others are happy to suggest that there is something relevant he/she is not telling us. I would have thought that the post in question makes it clear that there was a personality clash, but you want to imply there was something more sinister at play. After all, who wouldn't want to work for the RFDS because "a few mates reckon it was the best job they ever had", really, when was that and how irrelevant is that?
There is also a current employee posting, trying to tell us of how it is TODAY, mostly in negative terms, but no he/she is considered a malcontent who "wants it all"

If you know something, I for one would like to hear about it.
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