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aussiepilot 17th Sep 2019 06:29

RFDS feeling effects of global pilot shortage
 
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...ogram/11494640

RFDS requires minimum 4000hrs TT, including 2000hrs as PIC.

How do their T&C (pay, roster, lifestyle) compare to that of the airlines?

machtuk 17th Sep 2019 06:37

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Originally Posted by aussiepilot (Post 10571836)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...ogram/11494640

RFDS requires minimum 4000hrs TT, including 2000hrs as PIC.

How do their T&C (pay, roster, lifestyle) compare to that of the airlines?


The 'Rufduss' was the best job once upon a time and very hard to get in to, you had to know someone behind the scenes to get a gig. Those days are long gone!

I might have to come out of retirement, to fly the jet of course, I've got enuf Turbo prop time to sink a ship:)

Rated De 17th Sep 2019 07:15

No such thing as a pilot shortage...Just ask Airline IR the world over..

Duck Pilot 17th Sep 2019 07:34

T&Cs arenít to bad, nor is the lifestyle particularly if you want to live in a regional area. Equipment is second to none and Iím pretty sure all of the people are great. Pretty much the same can be said for Careflight I believe.

It really depends on what you want to do. Aeromed certainly cannot be compared to jet RPT ops, both operationally and in terms of T&Cs.

sms777 17th Sep 2019 08:38

Damn.....I may have to come out of hibernation too. I think I will qualify...... except my age. Whitout googgleing what is their age limit?.

machtuk 17th Sep 2019 08:59


Originally Posted by sms777 (Post 10571919)
Damn.....I may have to come out of hibernation too. I think I will qualify...... except my age. Whitout googgleing what is their age limit?.

I'm older than you 777 and they need me, you should be a walk up start..lolol

industry insider 17th Sep 2019 11:26


Pretty much the same can be said for Careflight I believe.
Er probably not.

deja vu 17th Sep 2019 11:37

Jeez these people are unreal....." an obligation to give back to the industry".... you must be joking. Where do they find these idiots? By the time someone has the required hours they have spent a fortune and years getting licences and ratings and most likely living in [email protected]%holes on subsistence rates, and they need to "give back". I'll bet the CEO of the RFDS is on 3 times a pilots salary and is tucked up in bed by 10pm

Duck Pilot 17th Sep 2019 11:39

Ok, I was totally wrong. Care to elaborate further? Opposed to making one liner statements? Itís a public forum my friend....

neville_nobody 17th Sep 2019 11:49

Maybe they should focus on why people keep resigning from the RFDS. I'd have a small wager that money isn't one of the top reasons.

machtuk 17th Sep 2019 12:20


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 10572056)
Maybe they should focus on why people keep resigning from the RFDS. I'd have a small wager that money isn't one of the top reasons.

there are a few reasons why they lose drivers and can't get drivers. The numbers just aren't there anymore compared to say 10-20 years ago so the drivers with the req Hrs are not stopping off at their door. IT has steered plenty of people towards a career that doesn't involve shift work and repetitive training and checking. The Airlines have recruited aggressively over the last 10 years or so drying up the pool. GA is all but dead meaning the traditional ladder is very weak. let's face it money is the biggest incentive for most, the Ruffdus simply can't compete with the big shiny jets job, they are exiting in numbers the Ruffdus has never seen before!
Sign of the times, the Australian flying landscape has/is changing!

spektrum 17th Sep 2019 12:26

How long is it to a Brisbane base with them?

industry insider 17th Sep 2019 13:06


Ok, I was totally wrong. Care to elaborate further? Opposed to making one liner statements? It’s a public forum my friend....
Allegedly: The people are not great, infighting. Factually: management very poor, major contractual vulnerability in 2020.

neville_nobody 17th Sep 2019 13:09


let's face it money is the biggest incentive for most, the Ruffdus simply can't compete with the big shiny jets job, they are exiting in numbers the Ruffdus has never seen before! Sign of the times, the Australian flying landscape has/is changing!
So quality of life and commercialisation of the RFDS aren't an issue then?

deja vu 17th Sep 2019 13:29


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10572072)


there are a few reasons why they lose drivers and can't get drivers. The numbers just aren't there anymore compared to say 10-20 years ago so the drivers with the req Hrs are not stopping off at their door. IT has steered plenty of people towards a career that doesn't involve shift work and repetitive training and checking. The Airlines have recruited aggressively over the last 10 years or so drying up the pool. GA is all but dead meaning the traditional ladder is very weak. let's face it money is the biggest incentive for most, the Ruffdus simply can't compete with the big shiny jets job, they are exiting in numbers the Ruffdus has never seen before!
Sign of the times, the Australian flying landscape has/is changing!

Well maybe you could come out of retirement along with sms777 and work for the RFDS, help them out, along with a few others who have had a career already and would just do it for fun. Yeah, the aircraft look nice enough but believe me after few years the novelty wears off, especially when the guy who puts the fuel in the wings earns more as a base pay not to mention his overtime. The paramedics in the ambulance probably 150% the pilots salary. So it's not so much the lure of the shiny jet, its about providing for a family and maybe for a comfortable retirement in the future, can't blame anyone for that.

For 50 years I have been hearing about aviation operators not being able to afford to pay a reasonable/liveable wage. Like everyone else I am a great supporter of the RFDS but they are just going to have to offer what it takes to attract and keep the right pilots for their services. GA might have changed but offer an attractive package and there would be any number of applicants. I would be interested in the RFDS costings and see who is earning what!

compressor stall 17th Sep 2019 19:41


... but they are just going to have to offer what it takes to attract and keep the right pilots for their services.
Like they do for docs and flight nurses. Itís supply and demand and this is a clever media spin 101.

snoop doggy dog 17th Sep 2019 20:40

A couple of decades ago, there was in-fighting, poor and micro management, Pilot's expected to be charitable with their time, whilst managers paid at least twice as much as pilot's, for half the work and CEO's a lot more. Plus, as mentioned, in bed by 10pm and weekends off. :sad:
Doctors nurses, refuellers and just everyone else paid more. :sad:
I guess it's more important for the RFDS, and many other aviation companies, to have the axillary staff, as Pilots and Engineers are not really important for a flying operation*?! :mad:
It's hard to pay Pilots and Engineers more, as it's more important for the ones higher up to hit a bonus, than pay properly :ugh:
RFDS have a shortage of Pilot's, whom will accept sh!t conditions is my bet ;)
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spektrum 18th Sep 2019 07:31

Is it really that bad in relative terms? The pay seems to be inline with most regional captain pay if not better and you're not staring down the barrel of 5 sectors and a min rest over nights week in week out. And you're not baby sitting cadet FOs.

Literally every airline, even mainline receives a whole lot of negative sentiments on this website. Can someone please tell me which flying job in this country is the best kept secret?

deja vu 18th Sep 2019 08:32


Originally Posted by spektrum (Post 10572598)
Is it really that bad in relative terms? The pay seems to be inline with most regional captain pay if not better and you're not staring down the barrel of 5 sectors and a min rest over nights week in week out. And you're not baby sitting cadet FOs.

Literally every airline, even mainline receives a whole lot of negative sentiments on this website. Can someone please tell me which flying job in this country is the best kept secret?

Yes, regional captains pay is just as lousy.

machtuk 18th Sep 2019 08:49


Originally Posted by spektrum (Post 10572598)
Is it really that bad in relative terms? The pay seems to be inline with most regional captain pay if not better and you're not staring down the barrel of 5 sectors and a min rest over nights week in week out. And you're not baby sitting cadet FOs.

Literally every airline, even mainline receives a whole lot of negative sentiments on this website. Can someone please tell me which flying job in this country is the best kept secret?

It's not that bad, some just want it all which aviation doesn't cater for! Some seem to always 'compare', "he is getting more than me mentality"! It's not about comparing it is what it is, don't like it then you shouldn't have signed up!!!!!! I spent many years in AeroMed, was the best job, not the best paid but the best job, not everything is about money, we are so focused on the $$$ some lose sight of life itself! The Ruffdus like ALL Co's have their internal issues, what aviation Co doesn't?


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