ASIC skit
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From: QLD - where drivers are yet to realise that the left lane goes to their destination too.
Same process to get a passport. Must be government thing. What they want is a valid document that provides evidence of the start of the person’s identity in Australia. Only the Cat 1 docs provide that.
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From: Jungle
Joined: May 2005
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From: QLD - where drivers are yet to realise that the left lane goes to their destination too.
Yep, it's a messed up system. You would think that if you had supplied the information to get the initial ASIC, that that fact would be enough to tick the box for the renewal. Same with a passport. If it's been expired for more than three years then you go through the whole rigmarole again. I mean if they gave you a passport once, surely that fact should flag that they've seen your birth certificate.
There is no mention of ASIC renewals in the regs. They are all effectively treated as new applications every 2 years, as that has been deemed the time between background checks that is acceptable. The only (very indirect) reference to renewals in the Auscheck Regulations is that they may charge a higher fee for an initial background check than for a subsequent check.
There is no mention of ASIC renewals in the regs. They are all effectively treated as new applications every 2 years, as that has been deemed the time between background checks that is acceptable. The only (very indirect) reference to renewals in the Auscheck Regulations is that they may charge a higher fee for an initial background check than for a subsequent check.
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From: WA
And with your birth certificate it has to be the full one, not an extract or one of those colourful celebratory Certs that a few have tried to use. If you were born outside Australia it has to be citizenship cert or visa with your foreign passport. Don’t bother getting copies of your visa for the application as the issuing body has to run a VEVO check anyway.
As Traffic said, the whole thing is a mess and not likely to let up.
Auscheck fees have been steady for about the last four or five years and are due for an increase.
As Traffic said, the whole thing is a mess and not likely to let up.
Auscheck fees have been steady for about the last four or five years and are due for an increase.
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From: sierra village
Traffic... you appear to be an ASIC guru. Might I ask you to peruse the CASA website on the topic of AVID and tell me who and what they are intended for.
(I know what I’ve read, but consensus opinion says otherwise)
(I know what I’ve read, but consensus opinion says otherwise)
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From: WA
Aviation Transport Security Regulations
r6.55 Exercise of Privileges of Flight Crew Licenses.
You only need an ASIC to allow you to access a security controlled airport. Regardless, you need to have undergone a security check to exercise your licence, that's why the alternative AVID is available
r6.55 Exercise of Privileges of Flight Crew Licenses.
You only need an ASIC to allow you to access a security controlled airport. Regardless, you need to have undergone a security check to exercise your licence, that's why the alternative AVID is available
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From: Darwin
Joined: Aug 2021
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From: Sydney
The STUPIDITY of the ASIC process
Are there any sane beauracrats anywhere in aviation these days with ANY common sense????????.
So I apply again for an ASIC renewal. Gives me the shjts before I even start because I know I have to re scan and resend them the same documents I sent them two years ago, and 2 years before that,
and two years before that, and two years before that etc etc..
But this year I even had to add my marriage certificate and a "identification in the community" - a bank statement, speeding fine - something with my name and address.
So I send them (YET AGAIN)..
* birth certificate - front and back
* drivers licence - front and back
* pilots licence
* marriage certificate - front and back
* identification in the community - bank statement
* passport - front and back
* photo of my rough mug
1. For God's sake, how much proof of ID do you idiots need?????????
2. Why am I sending you these same documents every two years??????????
And then to complete the stupidity, they write to me and tell me the photo I have supplied is the same one
I supplied them four years ago, send a new one.
So the photo I sent them they have on file from 4 years ago - ok, I may have a few more wrinkles, send a current photo.
BUT IF YOU HAVE THE PHOTO ON FILE, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OTHER 240 DOCUMENTS ON FILE. USE THEM.
So I got up this morning, and with hair all over the place, PJs on, sleep in my eyes, I got a photo taken. The worst photo of me ever.
My wife says "but that horrible photo, people will see it on your ASIC."
And I replied that "since ASICs came into force, I have NEVER EVER been asked to show my ASIC."
I'm off to join the Priesthood.
So I apply again for an ASIC renewal. Gives me the shjts before I even start because I know I have to re scan and resend them the same documents I sent them two years ago, and 2 years before that,
and two years before that, and two years before that etc etc..
But this year I even had to add my marriage certificate and a "identification in the community" - a bank statement, speeding fine - something with my name and address.
So I send them (YET AGAIN)..
* birth certificate - front and back
* drivers licence - front and back
* pilots licence
* marriage certificate - front and back
* identification in the community - bank statement
* passport - front and back
* photo of my rough mug
1. For God's sake, how much proof of ID do you idiots need?????????
2. Why am I sending you these same documents every two years??????????
And then to complete the stupidity, they write to me and tell me the photo I have supplied is the same one
I supplied them four years ago, send a new one.
So the photo I sent them they have on file from 4 years ago - ok, I may have a few more wrinkles, send a current photo.
BUT IF YOU HAVE THE PHOTO ON FILE, YOU ALSO HAVE THE OTHER 240 DOCUMENTS ON FILE. USE THEM.
So I got up this morning, and with hair all over the place, PJs on, sleep in my eyes, I got a photo taken. The worst photo of me ever.
My wife says "but that horrible photo, people will see it on your ASIC."
And I replied that "since ASICs came into force, I have NEVER EVER been asked to show my ASIC."
I'm off to join the Priesthood.
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: AUSTRALIA
Rex,
Sounds like you are getting a bit more shafted than the average ASIC applicant for some reason.
If you think it is tough now, well take a deep breath because by the time you go to renew again, the whole thing is going to be run by the Department. Planned for some time in 2023. Unless a there is a change of government and the current minister's decision is reversed. All 20 odd issuing bodies are going to be shut down and all applications will be handled by public servants. Good luck with that.
Sounds like you are getting a bit more shafted than the average ASIC applicant for some reason.
If you think it is tough now, well take a deep breath because by the time you go to renew again, the whole thing is going to be run by the Department. Planned for some time in 2023. Unless a there is a change of government and the current minister's decision is reversed. All 20 odd issuing bodies are going to be shut down and all applications will be handled by public servants. Good luck with that.
Joined: Oct 2004
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From: Australia
This is just typical of the beaurocratic process in Australia.
I'v been waiting 3 months for CASA Medical to review my Class 1 medical, still no reply even though I've been told it's in the urgent pile.
A friend, who is a permanent resident of the USA living in New York, but has a Mexican passport, finally received his tourist visa to attend my wedding two months after his application. Unfortunately it was two weeks too late to attend the wedding.
I'v been waiting 3 months for CASA Medical to review my Class 1 medical, still no reply even though I've been told it's in the urgent pile.
A friend, who is a permanent resident of the USA living in New York, but has a Mexican passport, finally received his tourist visa to attend my wedding two months after his application. Unfortunately it was two weeks too late to attend the wedding.
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From: down under
But which still cost a fortune and are issued by the same govt dept as full birth certificates, but the govt won't accept them: another scam!
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From: Oz
For one of my renewals, I just put the month and year that I moved address as I couldn't recall the actual day of the month. I was told an actual date was required. Told them again I couldn't remember and was told just put the 1st of the month down. Asked what's the difference between an inaccurate date and no day of the month - they are both wrong, but no day is more truthful. Told that's how the system works 
