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Old 4th Aug 2019, 21:40
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Agree with Lead balloon and YPJT, waste of time and energy, look at Hong Kong, millions on the streets and in the end likely a lot of people will get hurt.
Unfortunately the Bureaucrats have us by the short and curlies and there's not much that we can do about it. Logical argument and facts do no good, too much money going into too many pockets. Short of catching the brown paper bag being handed over, corruption, especially the so called 'Soft' corruption that is rampant in Australia is very difficult to prove, without some sort of judicial enquiry and I can't see that happening. There's just not enough of us to influence anybody in government that the cost of such an enquiry would be justified. the axiom, Money talks [email protected]#t walks, was ever thus.
Can anyone imagine CAsA agreeing that they are incapable of writing clear, concise and effective legislation?
Can anyone imagine the government agreeing that the so called 'privatisation' of aviation infrastructure has done nothing but create massive parasitic monopolies, or opened the way for development sharks to siphon huge amounts of money to foreign climes, with very little being spent on improving aviation infrastructure?
Can anyone imagine government admitting that aspects of their security program are nothing but a very expensive sideshow?
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 03:14
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This whole ripoff, farcical ASIC process is easily fixed. Simply require all pilot and licensed engineers to undergo a 'once off' fit & proper person assessment. Any subsequent criminal acts would be notifiable and the FPP could be withdrawn. Ergo, if you are naughty, no more licence.
Entry to secure areas would then only require the FPP to carry his/her licence and some other acceptable photo ID, such as a passport or driver's licence.
Works just fine in NZ.

Re civil disobedience - it could be effective if done en-mass. If everyone agreed to turn up for duty on a given date (having duly notified the authorities of that date) sans ASIC, but with other proper ID and their licences, what would likely happen? Aviation may cease temporarily, government would be forced to intervene and a process as described above could be fast tracked.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 04:10
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Mach E,
ever tried to herd cats?
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 05:50
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Cats would be easier to organise than pilots.
Government is another matter. There are ways to bring petty bureaucrats to heel. Hopefully, somewhere amongst this current mob would be a Minister with the cojones to reign in the ASIC Empire if they shut down aviation for wont of a pissy little plastic card.

But sadly we know the collective for pilots.... A 'whinge'. That is all most of them do. So, you are right, the ASIC will remain a pox on all of us.

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Old 5th Aug 2019, 08:04
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Simply require all pilot and licensed engineers to undergo a 'once off' fit & proper person assessment.
They do that now. Just "once-off" every two years.
Any subsequent criminal acts would be notifiable and the FPP could be withdrawn. Ergo, if you are naughty, no more licence.
That's how ASICs already work.
what would likely happen?
The authorities will not let you in. They don't want a fine or penalty either. Then you can't turn up for work and your employer sacks you. It is not the controlling authorities problem you are not wearing your ASIC. It is not your company's problem you are not wearing your ASIC. If you do get in, then you get a fine. The world won't stop. You'll just end up owing money.
government would be forced to intervene
It's the government's process.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 09:46
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All true if individuals go it alone. But if several thousand commercial pilots and a similar number of LAMEs gave notice of intent to engage in ‘civil disobedience’ (for want of a better word) and showed resolve in carrying it out, the ASIC could be made to go away (for licensed personnel at least), or the process made much less onerous.
Unlike 1989, we are at a sweet spot in the employment cycle where pilots can not be replaced in large numbers, so mass sackings would not occur.
There was a time when Aussies had a reputation for challenging and even disobeying authority when they thought it idiotic. Not any more. We are law abiding to the point of mindlessness.
So, this thread has degenerated into another futile whinge about our aviation security system, along with all the other whinges about big bad CASA.

But the OP’s skit was indeed funny.

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Old 5th Aug 2019, 13:02
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Works just fine in NZ.
You mean the NZ Airport Identity Cards which seem to be much the same as our ASIC's?
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 22:23
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The Kiwi card application process is relatively simple, costs a mere $60 and is good for three years.
Also, there are many airports where it is not necessary, so many pilots get by without it.
Compare with our own ASIC.........
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 23:54
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However at the airports where you are required to have and display one, the systems are basically the same, so the assertion that the NZ ID system is different is not correct. Like Australia, you are required to have and display an ID card if at a Security Designated Airport. The difference is that NZ only has 5 of them (effectively international ops, or RPT aircraft with 90 or more seats). The problem in Aus is not the ID system, it is the over zealous categorisation of airports and operations for security purposes.

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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:15
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And the higher cost.

And the shorter duration.

And the unnecessary proof of identity requirements.

And it doesn’t work.

But apart from that, it’s a great system.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:34
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Or as Arther used to say "What a nice little earner"
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:43
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I have been refused airside access (while working) to an airport, despite possessing and displaying a valid AUS ASIC, simply because I didn't have a separate ID card for that specific airport. What a great system and a great use of $250.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:46
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I didn't say it was a great system. Unfortunately ASICs are just a small part of a much larger broken system, other parts of which need to be fixed first before you can tackle ASICs
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:54
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I have been refused airside access
An ASIC is not an access card. It is purely a government sanctioned ID card issued for a specific purpose. If an Airport has separate access or ID requirements, then so be it. Just because you hold an AUS ASIC doesn't mean you can go wherever and do whatever you like.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 01:57
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Thanks for implying I was heading off to do "whatever I like", rather than, my job.

--Should also be noted that only possessing an ASIC was justification enough to enter other airside areas of this airport
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 08:25
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I don't make the rules, champ. I just follow them like everyone else.
Should also be noted that only possessing an ASIC was justification enough to enter other airside areas of this airport
No, it's not the justification. Your authorisation from the owner or controller of the place and having a lawful reason to be there was the justification. Possessing and displaying an ASIC is a condition of entry. Just because you have an ASIC does not mean you have access.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 09:31
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....in other words, it is not fit for purpose.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 10:00
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it was DoTaRS and in particular, a reject from the department of health who had this idea about kerosene baths...
Who exactly is this reject?

If civil disobedience is on order then I would be inclined to start small and let the ASIC renewal lapse for a year or two. So far mine has lapsed 9 years.

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Old 6th Aug 2019, 11:35
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in other words, it is not fit for purpose.
No, some just have a fundamental lack of understanding of what the purpose actually is.

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Old 6th Aug 2019, 11:54
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And the purpose of an ASIC is to provide that very special kind of warm inner glow of security that can only be generated by a complete (and very expensive) facade.
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