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Old 10th Jun 2019, 10:58
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SUNFISH, you need to create the full economic model. 900 salaareies and wages, taxes paid etc etc all add up to quite a few bucks into the local community....

In the words from Jerry Maguire ..."Show me the Money"!
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 11:57
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That’s the state and federal governments concern. All councils see is rates. they will be slavering over the rate revenues a residential development of the airport could bring. It’s state and federal who worry about economic activity.

If it was me, I’d say #@@ to the ratepayers of the shire; no airport then no air ambulance/shark patrol/Vicpolair, no charter, no water bombers in summer, not even a #$%@Z& drone. You want noairservices? You get your wish!
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 12:06
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Not a current member but will be at PAC tomorrow night as a very concerned citizen.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 13:49
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Organise an airshow, get the punters in and the media there. Celebrate aviation. That's the remedy.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 14:12
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Originally Posted by vne165 View Post
Organise an airshow, get the punters in and the media there. Celebrate aviation. That's the remedy.
They have one of those every two years like Avalon and that makes people complain even more about the place!
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 14:20
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Squawk, sorry but that's Victoria for you, . Everyone has a license to whinge. Sorry, but perhaps the end is nigh for Tyabb - first place in the East I ever flew into. Regrettable.
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Old 10th Jun 2019, 15:06
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I may be reading this wrongly but the report states on page vii "Tyabb Airfield has a unique private ownership structure – there are a total of 43 different “land owners”, mainly owners of hangars held on individual titles". Later in the report it does say that "The airfield remains privately owned, with core airfield infrastructure (e.g. the runway, taxi ways and clubrooms plus a number of hangers) owned and operated by Peninsula Aero Club (PAC). In addition to the PAC, there are a total of 43 different landowners associated with the Airfield, predominantly owners of individual aircraft hangers, which are held on separate strata titles. An airfield access agreement is in place with each landowner"

the report also goes on to say, again on page vii, "Based on initial submissions, and despite some concerns, the majority of Tyabb residents appear to hold the view that the current operation of the airfield is acceptable and generally in line with their amenity expectations. This is also evidenced by the low level of formal complaints received by Airservices and Council. However, the limitations of the existing permits, the lack of a strong regulatory framework in relation to aircraft noise and the absence of an airfield master plan, all create an atmosphere of uncertainty for some members of the local community" Page viii goes on to say "Resident stakeholders typically do not want the airfield closed. However, in the context of the potential for intensification of activity and lack of an agency with regulatory responsibility/authority, many argue for “no change, no expansion”.

As I read the report I get the feeling that it is pro the airport, though a recurring theme is the lack of an airfield "master plan" from the airfield itself (highlighted in section 6.3 of the report).

It reads like the airfield could be the master of it's own doom by entering into negotiations in a less than conciliatory way and I'm afraid that it may fall foul of the need to build homes, as have many airfields here in UK. You may well be more successful by working with the local community/council rather than against it, produce the plan..............

My final bit of advice, make sure you respond to any and all planning applications which you think may impact the airfield, no response is considered acceptance by UK planning authorities.

To try and keep the neighbours friendly, my flying club (not that I'm a member any more) holds an annual event at which the neighbours are invited to come and visit and many are taken flying. This also helps to dispel the myths that you have to be a millionaire to fly GA.

Also, if you;re unlicensed and just an ALA, is it legal to carry out commercial operations? I don't think it would be here in blighty.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 02:58
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Sunfish posted on May 28th
From last week's Tyabb Flyer you will be aware we had, with encouragement from Shire staff, applied to MPSC to remove the redundant Church Hour from our permit as it has not been observed for more than 40 years and the church was sold 28 years ago. In a turn-around, Council intended to impose excessively restrictive unrelated conditions to approve our application. Our legal counsel had advised us to withdraw our application and refer the matter to VCAT which we have now done. Therefore we have no option but to request no take offs or landings within that hour. As a consequence :- • We are considering opening the flying school at 7:30am on Sundays so as not to lose income from weekend flying. • All aircraft returning to or arriving at the airport and unable to be on the ground before 9.30am will need to wait in a holding pattern on the dead (western) side over Boes Rd until after 10:30am. • If you find yourself low on fuel you are required by the CARs to declare a Fuel May Day emergency and land. • If you are planning a cross country flight departing on any Sunday between 9.30 and 10.30am, consider departing at least an hour early so as not to violate this time slot. This situation is likely to remain unchanged until later in the year when VCAT hear the matter.
​​​​​​​...about sums up the collective intent of the MPSC. This is going to be QCs at twenty paces!
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 03:39
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QC's at twenty paces indeed OZBUSDRIVER..! I'll be attending the meeting tonight. What I want to know is how it has deteriorated so badly and so quickly (so it seems). Something doesn't smell right with this, and the stench is coming from inside the council offices. The majority of local residents support the airfield. How is it that a noisy (but clearly influential) minority has managed to get the council on side all of a sudden...(?) What has transpired behind closed doors at council HQ that we don't know about...??
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 04:12
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QC's at twenty paces indeed OZBUSDRIVER..! I'll be attending the meeting tonight. What I want to know is how it has deteriorated so badly and so quickly (so it seems). Something doesn't smell right with this, and the stench is coming from inside the council offices. The majority of local residents support the airfield. How is it that a noisy (but clearly influential) minority has managed to get the council on side all of a sudden...(?) What has transpired behind closed doors at council HQ that we don't know about...??
Folks,
As I said in a previous post: Follow the money.
What rezoning of land in the vicinity of the airport for residential development are in the wind??
What un/under developed land has changed hands recently.
Which political advocacy "consultants" are quietly running the anti-airport PR in the background.
Which green/left Councillors are being played for suckers by developers.
There are those with vital interests on the airport, who have the resources and ability (I hope) to sort this, but I doubt the "average" aero club committee can do that, without substantial help.
Tootle pip!!
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 06:48
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Leadslead is right. If “the developer” is naturally smart, which they usually are, they will have a man in the PAC membership. Steps need to be taken to minimise the damage they can do. Do not assume confidentiality will be maintained. Our yacht club failed that way. You don’t know they were watching your every move until it’s all over and one of your ex members suddenly shows up as a new employee/mate/consultant/contractor for the opposition.

This is not to impugn the reputation of anyone at PAC, least of all the committee staff and membership. Just don’t be surprised if not everyone shares your enthusiasm for keeping the club where it is.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 07:29
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Media statement regarding the Tyabb Airfield

11 June 2019

The Tyabb authorised landing area has operated in Tyabb since the early 1960’s, when planning approval was granted by the then Minister for Local Government. At the time the constraints of the site were recognised, including its proximity to the Tyabb township, but the airfield was considered acceptable primarily as a small scale club based facility. The initial permit included four conditions, one of which prohibited take-offs and landings on Sunday mornings between 9.30 am and 10.30am to avoid conflict with church service times.

Council does acknowledge that over the years the level of activity at and around the authorised landing area has increased.

Furthermore, the Tyabb township has changed significantly since the 1960’s and the number of people living in and around Tyabb has increased.

In response to these changes the Council has attempted to work with the privately operated Peninsula Aero Club for more than a decade to modernise the relevant planning approvals that exist on the site. Unfortunately this could not be resolved and therefore this led Council to develop the Tyabb Airfield Precinct Plan in conjunction with the Peninsula Aero Club, local businesses and the broader Tyabb community. The plan was subsequently adopted by Council in 2017.

A critical element of the Tyabb Airfield Precinct Plan was the preparation of a more detailed Airfield Master Plan and Aircraft Noise Management Plan. The Peninsula Aero Club, the owners and operators of the main landing area related facilities agreed to prepare the Master Plan and to engage in public consultation whilst Council commissioned a professional noise assessment study to facilitate the concurrent preparation of a noise management plan.

Council is the responsible authority to ensure that land uses operate in accordance with the planning permit conditions. As a result of recent community complaints about the Sunday morning curfew, Council encouraged the Aero Club to lodge applications to delete the Sunday curfew. Council has the ability to place new conditions on existing planning permits and it was proposed to seek the development of a Master Plan and also implement a more appropriate curfew for flying (sundown on Saturday evening through to 9am on Sunday morning) having regard to the change in circumstances since the 1960’s. However, the applications were withdrawn by the Peninsula Aero Club prior to a final decision by Council.

Council has recently advised the Peninsula Aero Club and other landowners and businesses in the precinct, that there aren’t any existing planning approvals and there is a need to follow due process and comply with the planning scheme.

We encourage and will work with all businesses across the Shire to ensure they comply with the planning scheme so they can operate legally and successfully.

Council are ultimately seeking the preparation and approval of an agreed Airfield Master Plan and Noise Management Plan covering all aspects of the current and future operations, and linked to updated planning permit approvals for the precinct. This would ensure the appropriate use and development of the authorised landing ground, whilst improving the amenity of residents now and in the future.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 07:34
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OK, sorry about the cut and paste job...have to work on that!
Isn't the council all sweetness and light when you look at the last three paras of their press statement. If I was a ratepayer and read that tripe I would believe the Aeroclub was a rogue operator, hell-bent on doing its own thing with no regard to the good citizens of Tyabb.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 09:34
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What the stupid bastards, rate payers and council, don’t realise is that with a little bit of common sense, intelligence and goodwill, Tyabb could be not “about 100 jobs” but five hundred jobs.

When I worked for the Kennett Government we did a lot of work on industry clusters - we now have a biocluster called The Parkville strip as a result.

Frankly Point Cook - YMPC is a perfect site for a centre of excellence in historic aircraft restoration and maintenance because it has the real estate, infrastructure and already operating restoration projects, a historic location, the rRAAF Museum. Now move historic aircraft co. from Tyabb, everything from Moorabbin and voila! Australia’s historic aircraft centre, then add flight training, etc. and now you have thousands of jobs, growth and investment.

However CASA, Infrastructure Dept and a brain dead labor state government would kill that idea.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 12:47
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Hope I've got this in the right order....

Early last year the club was approached by the council about lifting the church Sunday curfew. Council informed club to submit under a secondary agreement..simply put, council has a look and approves lifting the clause (! of 4) off the original permit. Three months go by and no correspondence. Club rings up council. Council informs that club has submitted on the wrong form. It needed to be on a form under section 72. Club looks at this with apprehension, tells council this opens up the original permit to wide ranging ammendments. Council says ...well, yes that is the case but the council will not do that..YOU CAN TRUST US! Months go by, a meeting is called for a month ago. Club understands there are over 300 submissions for the lifting of the curfew and 130 against , of which 65 are specifically aimed at the S72 provisions. Council informs the club that they will get the curfew lifted but to give the locals a bone an extra clause will be added to curfew from sunset Saturday till 0900local Sunday!!!! Club, under instructions from lawyers , pulls out. Last week , the stop work letters start showing up to the 12 business and club to cease all activity!
AOPA Rep informs the meeting this same thing is happening exactly the same way at a number of other aerodromes.

While all this is going on, remember the so called no master plan? The Club produced one as far as was possible. Completion required input from council regarding their sound contour report. Club attempted to table the incomplete report. Council tried to stop submission and sounds like they actually sat on the report.

Currently, there is a s97C submission to VCAT to enable the aerodrome to continue under existing prior use rights. Council has submitted more stringent requirements under s173 strict obligations must be met within a 3 month time frame....all this is above my pay grade to understand! Club does hope all this can be circumvented before it gets too deep...Ultimately, it could end up in the supreme court. As I said, I hope I got this in the right order and context without casting aspersions on any side.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 15:12
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what's reeealy going on

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what's reeealy going on

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what's reeealy going on

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Old 11th Jun 2019, 23:11
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Huge turnout for last nights meeting, place was packed! I think you've summarised the situation pretty well OZBUSDRIVER. Good to see Ben Morgan from AOPA there to offer support. It was interesting to hear that there are at least another 37 airfields around the country currently experiencing similar issues, with at least 2 having exactly the same tactics employed against them as PAC. It would seem the MPSC is trying to gain more control over the airfields activities by any means possible. I think we can all guess what the long term future of the airfield will be if that happens. They have a fight on their hands, that's for sure.

PAC are organising a community information day this Saturday including free sausage sizzle to help explain the situation to local residents. Hopefully they get a good turnout.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 00:08
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Agree IFEZ, it would appear the original permits protect the aerodrome from the council. With the tabling of the master plan one wonders if it gives the council legal scope to make permanent onerous changes to aerodrome operations as part of the public comment period.

bloody tablet submitted before I could finish the post.

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