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Old 12th Feb 2021, 10:34
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All this energy acting hard done too when you could have maybe just rectified your non-conformances.
And what were those ‘non-conformances’, JakeFlyz?

List them.

I’m sure Glen would have been and would now be extraordinarily happy to know..
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Hey Jake, I'll ask again...Wot's a 'PA-28' in the scheme of things..??

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Is there anything? Anything...................anything at all you haven't had direct personal experience of? Anything?

Why aren't you getting out there with the article for Glen then?
Already given Glen my two cents worth.

I have very, very little flying experience BUT I have far more real world business and Government experience than one or two people here and that includes you. Furthermore I can draw on the experience of sundry old farts who know much more than I if I want.

I would have been delighted to have direct personal experience of the Wine and entertainment industry, but that, sadly, eluded me.

To put that another way, The Lament of the Aged to the young: "If you only knew, if we only could".

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Good Morning Jakeflyz

Appreciate you joining up and taking the time to post. I equally welcome the support as well as the criticism. With 10 years fulltime instructing experience (and an ARN), my assumption is that you have quite a broad depth of experience over 10 years full-time instructing, so your comments have to be considered.

As someone following, it appears that you may have missed the point.

There were no allegations of a regulatory breach that I could attend to. It was a change of opinion by someone within CASA that was later found to be an incorrect opinion by the Commonwealth Ombudsman who assures me that his is the more substantive finding.

The topic obviously stirs up some emotion in you, but I think your references to industry participants as "old farts" etc is slightly unnecessary, but I do welcome any posts.

Regarding the timing of emails, there were certainly some early morning posts, but as you may appreciate, there were and continue to be a lot of sleepless nights.

All the best, safe flying and cheers. Glen
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Jakeflyz. You are obviously very naive.

You are suggesting that Senate Inquiries, various Coroners and the Commonwealth Ombudsman has made incorrect findings in respect to CASA?

I sincerely hope you are never b*stardised by CASA as so many other innocent people have.
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I haven't followed this in depth, but what I have read has been interesting. I know CASA has more power than most Govt Depts (rightly or wrongly) but what you've been going through, Glen, is not unique to Aviation. Any Govt Dept is in a position of power and can throw their collective weight around in a similar vein with little chance of redress. As you say, it takes 'one' person/activist to get 'one' other on board and then all bureaucratic hell can be unleashed on the unsuspecting.

Robert Gottliebsen (The Oz) has for years been campaigning on behalf of small business against the behaviour of some sections of the ATO for example. There aren't many people who know the 'real' story of Hoges vs the ATO, but what Hoges did for Australia is without question. Michael Cranston was apparently Hoges' principal ATO antagonist but perhaps instead of chasing Hoges for a few million over near decades, he could have spent 5 minutes looking over his son's hundreds of millions of obvious and blatant tax fraud activities.The incidents may not be the same, but the results are - destroying the small guy with the enormous weight of bureaucratic power. I've been involved with a couple of exercises (albeit FAR smaller and less consequential) in a similar vein, one has now just ticked up twenty years.

These issues always escalate with 'you' constantly fighting their collective intelligence, unlimited budgets and the tiny egos of those who have never, ever done anything for themselves but are expert in pointing out why 'you' can't. I am forced to the opinion it is in part jealousy, and they are 'projecting' the reason for their own fears/failures onto 'you'. Also, as another wise person told me 'If you pay a group of people to find problems and investigate them, they will do just that and find incredibly complex solutions to problems they discover that never existed before.'

Keep it up Glen, I admire your tenacity.
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Old 12th Feb 2021, 23:28
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Originally Posted by Torres
I sincerely hope you are never b*stardised by CASA as so many other innocent people have.
Unlikely. He would need to be more qualified than just having an ‘ARN’ to upset CASA. But if he does get pineappled by then let’s hope he doesn’t come on here complaining. Nobody will be interested in him.

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Old 12th Feb 2021, 23:31
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Originally Posted by Torres
I sincerely hope you are never b*stardised by CASA as so many other innocent people have.
Unlikely. He would need to be more qualified than just having an ‘ARN’ to upset CASA. But if he does get pineappled by them let’s hope he doesn’t come on here complaining. Nobody will be interested in him.

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Jake, I enjoyed your post. You sound just like I was at around age 36. I had a bagful of scientific knowledge about all sorts of things and an MBA to prove it. I had enjoyed reasonable career success up to then on the basis of analysing the tasks I was given and applying hard work, initiative, common sense and scientific principles. I had even built some safety systems that supplied data to the CAA. as it then was. My motto at the time was "if you can't measure it, then it doesn't exist." I would have approved of your opinion of Glens situation, on the basis that CASA was rational with our best interests at heart, the rules were logical and evidence based, personal considerations were irrelevent and a belief that if you followed the rules you are going to be OK.

I then leapt out of the airline frying pan and into the management consulting fire. Over the next fifteen years I had the stuffing knocked out of me. In a succession of jobs in manufacturing, IT, Government and high tech, I learned a few things; People lie all the time. People steal all the time. People do very stupid things when you least expect it. People make decisions on personal preference to benefit themselves when they should be working to the greater good. Judges and lawyers are not your friend. Contracts are worthless when one side decides they aren't useful to them any more. The "right" answer to a problem doesn't exist most of the time. And rules ? Rules????? make up as many as you like. A smart lawyer or malevolent person will twist rules into knots and get away with it. I've watched perfectly good and hard working people being made scapegoats for terrible crimes. But wait there's more. These days you also have to be politically correct as well and wade through another layer of bullshyte to get anything done.

So Yes, when you hear old farts going on about the state of the nation, they do sound like whingers and whiners to you, as they would once have to me. After all, rules are rules. Follow them and you are OK, right? Life is simple, not only simple, but linear. The old farts are coming from a different perspective. They know how hard, unfair and risky it is for people to try and get things done. Their conversation reflects a deeper knowledge.

Glens model was about helping flying schools cope with a crushing administrative burden inflicted on them by CASA - a noble cause. He is now living proof of the old saying: "No good deed goes unpunished".
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I don't mean to sound harsh, but this whole thread is a deluded manifestation of harshness
It's not of the thread, but a fair assessment of your post.
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Jake I wonder if you used your real ARN , or it is just a fake in an attempt to enhance your argument ?

Your claim to be speaking on behalf of "a number of people" who are these people & where is anything to support your assertion,
, "Jake of fakey ARN is my voice & shall be my voice on the internet"

The tone of your post is both arrogant & snide

It's baffling to see how you have any evidence to state GBs concept was "immoral" , who an earth are you to make this kind
of value judgement ?

Obviously GB and his team thought it was worthwhile , legitimate and useful , added to safety , reduced costs , promoted GA
You may disagree with what they thought , but how could you possibly claim that it is "immoral" ?

Also how do you know , what the intent of the various joiners to APTA you state "they didn't have to care about it ? "

How do you know that ?

Obviously anyone can disagree with what GB was trying to do with APTA , that you don't think it was practicable , could be implemented from
a distance etc etc , had too many members , APTA could attend site enough or conduct all tests

But the only critique you have is to issue a decree or proclamation that it was it was immoral (doing something you know to be wrong, unseemingly ,unethical) because you say so

You have not provided one shred of detail or evidence as to why APTA falls short of the mark

Why don't you detail exactly what your concerns with APTA are ?

Or do you somehow think you have the right to "call out" the GB/APTA project because it is your right to "call out" whoever you want whenever with zero evidence

What a true millennial you are , why don't you do some "shout outs" for us also

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Old 13th Feb 2021, 03:31
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The funniest thing about JakeARN, the millennial, is that even though he may have a beef against the older guys, a retired commercial pilot like myself will have earned more in my career than he ever will. The big money days are virtually over and a ‘millennial’ such as JakeARN will never jag so much as a R/H seat on a twin turbine.

JakeARN, stick to doing circuits at Jandakot or Archerfield, or should that be Caboolture aerodrome??
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Whether you like Glen, APTA, or anyone associated with it, is either irrelevant or a minor side issue.

As Glen has pointed out many times, where were the breaches? To be shut down after years of collaborative work with the regulator by a Departmental minion with nothing better to do that day is appalling. Glen had no 'non comformances' to conform to! How do you explain that to staff? An Employer has a self imposed obligation to 'do the right thing' by people they employ. Then the reputational damage. From what I can see, Glen has carried himself in an exemplary manner against all odds - and from his testimonies on social media I suspect I would at least respect the guy in person, if not genuinely like. However, if he became Chief Pilot, CEO or MD of another aviation company tomorrow, would I choose to work for him? Only the very, very naive would leap onboard without asking themselves some extremely serious questions about the truly enormous regulatory target he must now walk around with on his back. And again, why? What did he do 'wrong'?
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 18:50
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Originally Posted by Torres
Jakeflyz. You are obviously very naive.

You are suggesting that .... the Commonwealth Ombudsman has made incorrect findings
But isn’t that exactly what Glen is suggesting?
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Maybe, I haven't been following the story close enough? I understood from previous comments the Ombudsman had acknowledged improper practice by CASA but failed to take any positive or rectification action?

Regardless of the independence of the Ombudsman, I suspect it would be a very game Ombudsman to make a finding of serious malfeasance or malpractice by CASA, it's Board or it's Minister.

The two you dropped out "...Senate Inquiries, various Coroners..." have made findings critical of CASA.
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I am sitting here in the garden typing away on my formal allegations, which I intend to send today to the respective parties. I will publish that on here after i have sent it.

I am fully satisfied that what I am writing is the truth, it is related to aviation safety, and it is in the Public interest.

Regarding your comments regarding the Ombudsams Findings, which can be found at Post #1057. On the release of that, I wrote to Mr. Anthony Mathews, the Chair of the CASA Board asking to meet in a well-intentioned manner, with the intention of at least resolving this for all other Parties. I was refused that request on the basis that CASA would not deal with me until Phase Two of the investigation is completed.

Back later, cheers. Glen

Once again, its all about "intent"
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Link to the Ministers Statement of Expectations of the Board of CASA

Statement of Expectations for the Board of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority for the Period 15 July 2019 to 30 June 2021 (legislation.gov.au)
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That's all well and good Glen, but they are only expectations of the so-called Minister that in his belief, things will happen or be the case in the future.

There is nothing in the Statement that defines any measures (KPIs if you like) to provide assurance that the expectations can, have, or will be met.

Given the Minister involved, that should come as no surprise I don't think.

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Formal allegation of misfeasance submitted

Formal submission of allegation of misfeasance submitted to Mr Anthony Mathews, Chair of the Board of CASA

Copied in: Senator Susan McDonald, Chair of the Senate RRAT Committee.

Attachment: Phase One of Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Report.

Australian Flying Magazine- APTA before CASA action

Australian Flying magazine- APTA after CASA action

Further information on misfeasance Legal briefing No. 98 | AGS

14th February 2021

Dear Mr Anthony Mathews, Chair of the Board of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA).

Dear Senator Susan McDonald and RRAT Committee. (for the attention of the Deputy PM if you deem it appropriate),

My name is Glen Buckley, and I am writing to each Member of the Board of CASA, and the Senate RRAT Committee of Inquiry.

Employees of CASA, like all Government employees occupy positions of trust. They are entrusted by the Government and the community to undertake important aviation safety work on the community’s behalf. With this trust comes a high level of responsibility which should be matched by the highest standards of ethical behaviour from every employee of CASA.

These obligations placed on every employee of CASA by way of administrative law, criminal law and legislation, and CASAs own procedures are intended to provide the public and industry with confidence in the way CASA employees behave, including in the exercise of authority when meeting the responsible Ministers objectives. A strict adherence to these obligations will ensure CASA has a safe, well intentioned, and effective organisational culture, and ensure that its employees act lawfully, which will optimise aviation safety.

The obligations placed on every CASA employee are found across several documents but not limited to the following.

· CASAs own Regulatory Philosophy,

· the APS Values, that CASA undertakes to comply with.

· the APS Code of Conduct, that CASA undertook to comply with. Refer Note below.

· the Public Governance, Performance and Accountability Act 2013. This in particular is one area where a direct link exists between specific legislative obligations and the Code. The PGPA Act provides, through the duties of officials, a set of expected behaviours necessary for high standards of governance, performance and accountability,

· CASAs Enforcement Procedures Manual, and CASAs own Enforcement Policy

· Administrative Law, Natural Justice Procedural Fairness and the Rule of Law

Note regarding CASA Employees and their obligations to the APS Code of Conduct.

· In November 2013, the Deputy Prime Minister at the time announced an independent review of aviation safety regulation.

· One of the recommendations of that Review was that “CASA adopts the Code of Conduct and values that apply to the Australian Public Service”.

· CASA agreed to this in principle and advised; “The Governments new Statement of Expectations to the CASA Board will reaffirm the requirement that CASA Staff adhere to a Code of Conduct and set of values consistent with those that apply to the APS.”

· In the Implementation Report dated 31st July 2017, CASA advised that this matter was “Completed: The latest update to the SOE issued to the CASA Board in March 2017 continues to require CASA to have a code of conduct and values consistent with those of the Australian Public Service. CASAs Code of Conduct was amended in late 2014 and aligns with the APS Code of Conduct and Values.”

The purpose of this correspondence is to formally submit allegations of Misfeasance in Public Office in support of my presentation to the Senate Estimates Committee on November 20th, 2020. A link to that presentation can be accessed here on AOPAs website Senate RRAT General Aviation Inquiry Commences – AOPA Australia

Justice Deane in the High Court determined that misfeasance in public office requires an intentional but 'invalid or unauthorised act' to be committed 'by a public officer in the purported discharge' of their public duties which causes loss to a person. It requires that the person committing the act did so deliberately. In making this formal allegation I understand that the following criteria are essential in making that allegation. I am fully satisfied that the criteria have been met.
  • the defendant must be the holder of a public office.
  • the defendant must have purportedly exercised a power that was an incident of that office.
  • the defendant's exercise of power must have been invalid/unlawful.
  • the exercise of power must have been accompanied by one or other of the following forms of 'bad faith':
    • the defendant must have exercised the power knowing that he or she was acting in excess of power AND with the intention to cause harm to the plaintiff (sometimes referred to as targeted malice)
    • the defendant must have been recklessly indifferent to whether the act was beyond power AND recklessly indifferent to the likelihood of harm being caused to the plaintiff
    • the defendant must have acted with reckless indifference to whether the act was beyond power AND there must have been, objectively, a foreseeable risk of harm to the plaintiff. This third form of bad faith is very controversial.
    • the exercise of power must have been productive of loss.

At the time of my presentation to Senate Estimates, I made allegations against 3 CASA employees. Mr Carmody, Mr Crawford, and Mr Aleck. I note that Mr Carmody is no longer an employee of CASA.

I do however fully stand behind, and formalise my allegations made in Senate Estimates against current CASA Employees.

· Mr Graeme Crawford the current Acting CEO of CASA and previous Executive Manager of the Aviation Group.

· Mr Jonathan Aleck the CASA Executive Manager of Legal, International and Regulatory Affairs.

After a review of my information and careful consideration I am also including Mr Craig Martin the CASA Executive Manager of Regulatory Services and Surveillance in my allegations of misfeasance in public office.

I am fully satisfied that these three individuals worked complicitly and collaboratively.

· They have made considered decisions and taken considered actions that cannot be justified on the basis of safety or any regulatory breaches. The detriment caused by those actions and decisions has occurred. The conduct was unlawful, and that is supported by Stage One of the Ombudsman Report.

· The actions and decisions of these CASA employees has caused harm to me and my family. It has caused mine and other businesses to close, and employees to lose their livelihoods. The detriment caused is significant and extends to many millions of dollars. These actions and decisions were deliberate and calculated, and the CASA employees were fully aware of the commercial and reputational impact that would, and did, result.

· Together they have made decisions that demonstrably reduce aviation safety. Each of the entities that were removed from APTA now have access to a significantly less resourced safety department, they have lost access to group expertise, and the sharing of group information to draw on a larger data pool and enhance safety outcomes. I am able to prepare a comprehensive safety case supporting my contentions. I note that CASA has been unable to provide any supporting safety case for their actions, which would normally have been part of their preparatory work.

· They have breached Administrative Law obligations specified in CASA Enforcement manual particularly with regards to procedures for cancelling, suspending, or varying an Air Operator Certificate (AOC) that can be found in CASAs Enforcement Manual. It is most likely that CASA will try and justify their actions by claiming that it was not a cancellation, variation, or suspension of an AOC. To all intents and purposes, it clearly was. Enforcement manual | Civil Aviation Safety Authority (casa.gov.au)

· The Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Report has found that CASA erred, and that detriment could have been caused. From my own personal experience, there can be no doubt that significant detriment has occurred.

· Have provided false or misleading information, and wilfully failed to disclose relevant information to the Ombudsman during his investigation, which was intended to affect the findings of the Ombudsman, Similarly information provided to the Senate Estimates Committee was “misleading”

· Failure to act with honesty and integrity, and with a callous disregard for the impact of their actions on my wellbeing, and that of my family, and other persons impacted by the conduct of these personnel. Their actions and decisions were not necessary, they were not compelled to make those decisions. There conduct has been bullying and intimidating in nature.

· Choosing not to follow clearly established CASA procedures.

· When presented with options, those CASA personnel would choose the option that was more likely to cause harm to me and my business, when a less harmful option and arguably more effective option was available.

I request that CASA, or preferably the Deputy Prime Minister appoint someone who is independent and unbiased to conduct an investigation into the alleged misconduct of the named Employees. The purpose of that investigation would be to ascertain the lawfulness of the actions and decisions made by these individuals.

I anticipate that this investigation would need to be conducted by a Subject Matter Expert (SME) with the required technical knowledge of the aviation industry, and preferably with experience in pilot training. My suggestion would be a CASA shortlisted applicant for the position of CEO may have the expertise and experience, and this may be a practical option that would be agreeable to both Parties.

Rather than seeking to punish any employee, I believe an investigation will provide the individuals I raise allegations against with the opportunity to defend their conduct, and this process will protect the integrity of CASA and maintain public and industry confidence in the reputation of CASA. As Australia’s aviation safety regulator this must be an important consideration

My hope is that an investigation would proceed with as little formality and as much expedition as proper consideration of this matter allows. This matter has continued for over two years, and it is time now to bring both transparency and resolution to the process. I’m sure that the CASA Board will also appreciate the opportunity to bring good governance to the matter in as short a timeline as practical.

By making these substantive allegations, it may have an adverse effect on the nominated employees’ ability to carry out their duties, and on the workplace in general. I appreciate that the CASA Board, and Mr Anthony Mathews in his role as the Chair of the Board, in consultation with the Deputy Prime Minister, will have to consider whether it is appropriate to stand these personnel aside on full pay pending an investigation, which I believe appropriate and reasonable in the circumstances. I urge the CASA Board and the Deputy Prime Minister to consider the following in arriving at their considered decision.

· Any potential impact on aviation safety i.e., the safety and well-being of Members of the Public, if the conduct was to be proven. i.e., misconduct

· Potential for repetition of that behaviour that could potentially impact on other businesses and their employees. Noting that I have been contacted by many in industry that have been similarly impacted by the conduct of these same individuals in the past. All have expressed a willingness to come forward and make a submission if required. Consider also that the conduct of these same three individuals was previously the basis of an ABC investigation on the 7.30 Program. Unfortunately this link is now expired but you will have the resources to access Dying pilot tries to clear his name after fatal plane crash - ABC News Also the following link contains access to questions put to CASA by the 7.30 Program. The 7.30 Program notes how they have information which contradicts CASAs assertions. CASA's Responses to 7.30's Questions (documentcloud.org)

· Public confidence in CASA. This matter has significant public attention with ¾ million visits to the story on Pprune. Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA - PPRuNe Forums

· The risk that an investigation of the allegation may be compromised by the employee’s continued presence in the workplace.

· Any risk to the safety of any other employees and their work environment by way of bullying, intimidation, or any other negative behaviours.

· Whether an allegation of misfeasance in Public Office is determined to be a significant matter.

· To what extent is the alleged behaviour within the control of the employee. i.e., was its wilful misconduct, as I am alleging that it is.

· Relationship between the alleged unlawful act and the employee’s employment.

· Any potential impact on any required security clearances

· The significance of the acts and role of CASA i.e., the safety of aviation in Australia.

· Ability to carry out duties safely and effectively.

· The Seniority of the personnel that allegations are made against and the respective expectations of them in their role, and the vision for CASA under a new CEO/DAS.

I appreciate that these allegations initiate a multistage process, with the initial stage being identifying behaviour that may amount to suspected misconduct, including receiving allegations of misconduct, followed by deciding how to handle the suspected misconduct, and considering whether it is necessary to suspend the employee and any review of that decision.

This is a complicated matter that is best attended to initially with an aural presentation. I anticipate that would take up to two hours, and I would invite Mr Mathews the Chair of the Board to bring along any CASA personnel that he requires, and I anticipate that would include the personnel I have made allegations against.

If I am provided with that opportunity, I will present evidence in support of my allegations at that time. This matter has received wide industry interest with almost ¾ million visits to Pprune, where a significant amount of background research can be undertaken. A link can be accessed here with a link to the thread located here Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA - PPRuNe Forums with additional discussion found on another forum Aunty Pru which can be accessed here The noble Art - Embuggerance. (auntypru.com)

I am not making these claims vindictively or vexatiously and they are not without merit. I am someone directly impacted by the conduct of these individuals. I also respect that if I am fully liable in law for my comments that I make, and I am aware of the ramifications if my allegations were found to be without merit.

Allegations have been raised against these three individuals previously. Ex CASA employees have contacted me and expressed a willingness to come forward and tell the truth. Business owners and individuals who have been affected by the conduct of these individuals have also contacted me and provided the processes can be in place to avoid retribution from CASA they will also come forward.

My personal situation is that I have been left destitute by the conduct of these individuals, and I am not I a position to fund legal action to have my claims tested. These allegations do have a potential to impact on aviation safety. I request that you direct me to the next course of action. I appreciate that CASA will repudiate these claims and contend that there is no evidence. The purpose of my presentation would be to put forward evidence in support of my claim of misfeasance in public office against Mr Crawford, Mr Aleck, and Mr Martin.


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Perhaps consider:

Copy to ICAO and FAA.

One page press release and copy of your letter to every media network in Australia plus U.S. Flying Magazine and U.K. "Flight".

If you do,

Do it fast today before CASA responds.

People should consider saving this page in case it disappears.

BTW your PM box is full.

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