CASA Low Cost ADSB Equipment Discussion Paper.
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CASA Low Cost ADSB Equipment Discussion Paper.
Nice discovery this morning on the Dynon website; CASA has released a discussion paper on the possibility of approved fitment of "low cost" ADSB equipment in VFR aircraft.
For example a Dynon Skyview transponder and their A$700 GPS 2020 would be acceptable on VFR aircraft.
My quick read indicates this paper is a breath of fresh air. Let us hope that CASAs intentions are pure and no special "Australian requirements" void this common sense approach.
https://consultation.casa.gov.au/reg...source=phplist
For example a Dynon Skyview transponder and their A$700 GPS 2020 would be acceptable on VFR aircraft.
My quick read indicates this paper is a breath of fresh air. Let us hope that CASAs intentions are pure and no special "Australian requirements" void this common sense approach.
https://consultation.casa.gov.au/reg...source=phplist
If UAT will never work in Aus what is the lowest cost non certified ADSB available in the world today that will work here if allowed?
So often people quote UAT prices!
So often people quote UAT prices!
Re: "We would also like to hear from the broader VFR community to gain an understanding of the interest in, and likely uptake of, these products, if they are made readily available".
The words 'likely uptake of' intrigue me......
I discussed this with Mr Skidmore at a YPJT Safety Seminar, when it was mandated for IFR flights.
"Is it your intention to mandate the ADSB (In / Out) for VFR aircraft"?
And the answer was not 'his' intention, but there were 'some' in CASA who were thinking that way, or words to that effect....
Watch This Space......
The words 'likely uptake of' intrigue me......
I discussed this with Mr Skidmore at a YPJT Safety Seminar, when it was mandated for IFR flights.
"Is it your intention to mandate the ADSB (In / Out) for VFR aircraft"?
And the answer was not 'his' intention, but there were 'some' in CASA who were thinking that way, or words to that effect....
Watch This Space......
We must remain obsessed with spending tens of millions on further collision avoidance measures. After all that’s where we have lots of accidents. !
Add even further to costs meaning older aircraft kept and less recency flying . Really sensible
Add even further to costs meaning older aircraft kept and less recency flying . Really sensible
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The idea of (almost) everyone participating in the ADSB game is a noble one.
But its still just too expensive.
Asking VFR aircraft owners and operators to shell out $5k for a slight (possibly?) increase in safety benefit is just further impost to a declining and already financially overwhelmed General, Recreational and Sports Aviation industries.
If the cost (fully installed including all taxes) to play one day falls to less than $1k then perhaps it might catch on without mandate.
Until then I'll keep using the transponder, radio and Mk 1 eyeball.
PG
But its still just too expensive.
Asking VFR aircraft owners and operators to shell out $5k for a slight (possibly?) increase in safety benefit is just further impost to a declining and already financially overwhelmed General, Recreational and Sports Aviation industries.
If the cost (fully installed including all taxes) to play one day falls to less than $1k then perhaps it might catch on without mandate.
Until then I'll keep using the transponder, radio and Mk 1 eyeball.
PG
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popgun, the Tso c199 tabs gps units, if allowed would be under a grand. the dynon gps2020 is about $700 so if you already have a dynon xpdr you would be good to go.
But a mode c transponder already works with all airline TCAS so what is the extra safer required for?
Where is the risk analysis, where is the benefit/cost analysis??
And, folks, please try and get your mind around the idea that they are not accurate enough for collision avoidance in the circuit.
Tootle pip!!
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My VFR navigation is primarily visual and 'backed up' with 2 iPads and an iPad mini all running OzRunways.
For somebody like me, and I'm guessing there are many in a similar position, the additional costs they are talking about (as specified in the table in the consultation paper) do not come with a demonstrated, significantly increased safety benefit.
As an aside, I do also have a Zaon PCAS which has greatly assisted my 'alerted see and avoid' on quite a few occasions. Similarly, I find the aircraft traffic paints on the OzRunways map display very useful as well. Its just a shame we can't collate all the traffic information together in one place at an affordable price!
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About a decade ago, didn't AirServices promise the pay for them all to save them millions in costs involved around maintaining the old Radar System?
What happened to my free ADSB promised by AirServices?
What happened to my free ADSB promised by AirServices?
Dangly Bits, someone realised they could get away with not doing it and save millions on their old radar systems by shuffling the cost of maintenance onto the industry and get themselves a nice big fat KPI Bonus at the same time!
What was the go back then? Get rid of FS fit transponders because ATC with the all singing all dancing TAAATS could do the same job included with their CTA work without raising a sweat...and VFR wouldnt need to interact with anybody.......worked out pretty well.
The offer was not withdrawn, it was rejected....by industry!!
Aroa has it right.
Indeed, NO PROPOSAL was ever formally put to the Airservices board, let alone the Minister of the day. Further, the furious objection of airlines killed any chance of a real offer, they made it very plain that they would not subsidise GA, they, as the major funders of Airservices, wanted 100% of any ADS-B savings in reduced charges.
Of course, there have been no savings, only expenses.
Tootle pip!!
There was a carrot in the form of subsidising equipage to seed manufacture of the then unavailable certified equipment. The money was to come from being able to divert funds from refurbishing SSR heads along the J curve. The money was smoke and mirrors (I was on the wrong side of that argument) History says the window closed with refurbing going ahead. Regardless, I think Leadsled would be closer to the truth but I reckon any spare money would have gone as a dividend back to the sole shareholder.
So, here we are again. 12 years and 2018 is weeks away. Watching this latest argument unfold with interest. Plazbot, as always, is on the money with the simplest and most direct observation from the class G thread.....
So, here we are again. 12 years and 2018 is weeks away. Watching this latest argument unfold with interest. Plazbot, as always, is on the money with the simplest and most direct observation from the class G thread.....
In all seriousness, full surveillance down to approaches country wide with E airspace is an extremely safe system.
How we get there with equipage and training is the discussion.
How we get there with equipage and training is the discussion.
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This was in Avweb. Still dear in $A but works with current Mode A/C transponders.
https://www.avweb.com/eletter/archiv...235a:&st=pmail
https://www.avweb.com/eletter/archiv...235a:&st=pmail