King Air down at Essendon?
It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !
No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.
”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.
”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity.
Neither of us has a crystal ball.
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I don't accept the ATSB's findings but hey we plebs have zero input! I knew Max very well, he had a LOT of experience on the Beech (as I do) I believe he had a medical episode when the engine rolled back or failed or whatever caused the violent swing, the rudder trim deflection alone if at full deflection would not have caused this as a stand alone cause otherwise the would not have got certified!. We all plan for such an event but it would still scare the crap out of any normal pilot ! RIP Max, the good 'ole days are long gone sadly:-(
It's very doubtful the existing shops had any bearing on the outcome either.
What impact the proposed changes will have on safety is another matter entirely and worthy of a thread of its own. A separate thread wouldn't pollute the content of this thread and dragging it off topic or nor diluting the discussion on the reduction in safety by reducing the runway widths.
Enough said.
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They always seem to veer left, irrespective of whether the cause was rudder trim or "power lever migration". The 3 in the USA, the one in the UK and Essendon. All went left.
Obviously just the same pilot error in each case.
Just like with the 737 Max crashes.
Just like with the 737 Max crashes.
So how many deaths in similar King Air accidents will it take for you to entertain the possibility that something other than pilot f*ck up may be a causal factor?
I suppose with the 737 Max it took a few hundred deaths. Is that your threshold?
I suppose with the 737 Max it took a few hundred deaths. Is that your threshold?
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Yes indeed, and it looks like there's more to come next to it on the LHS with the ground works well underway. The amount of commercial development around YMMB and YMEN over the last few years is staggering. Mechanical turbulence anyone..? Oh it's all good, we'll just put an entry in the ERSA to warn pilots to expect it under certain wind conditions. 
