King Air down at Essendon?

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by 27/09

What exactly does this have to do with the tread topic? Surely a new thread would have been much more appropriate. I saw there was a new post and clicked to read about the King Air accident. I didn't come back in here to read about the politics of an airport.

It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !

[junior.VH-LFA]

No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.

”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”

[Squawk7700]

Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA

No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.

”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”

I said “may” have had a chance.

They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity.

Neither of us has a crystal ball.

[machtuk]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !

Hahah I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to upset the 'precious' that visit these pages, voluntarily I might add:-)lolol

I don't accept the ATSB's findings but hey we plebs have zero input! I knew Max very well, he had a LOT of experience on the Beech (as I do) I believe he had a medical episode when the engine rolled back or failed or whatever caused the violent swing, the rudder trim deflection alone if at full deflection would not have caused this as a stand alone cause otherwise the would not have got certified!. We all plan for such an event but it would still scare the crap out of any normal pilot ! RIP Max, the good 'ole days are long gone sadly:-(

[Fantome]

Was a post-mortem done on said MQ?

[27/09]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !

The proposed narrowing of the runways and the shops that may come with that, which that article in your posts is about, had absolutely nothing to do with the accident this thread is about. They don't exist at present and certainly didn't exist when the King Air crashed. That was my point.

It's very doubtful the existing shops had any bearing on the outcome either.

What impact the proposed changes will have on safety is another matter entirely and worthy of a thread of its own. A separate thread wouldn't pollute the content of this thread and dragging it off topic or nor diluting the discussion on the reduction in safety by reducing the runway widths.

Enough said.

[Lead Balloon]

Originally Posted by Squawk7700

I said “may” have had a chance.

They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity.

Neither of us has a crystal ball.

Junior has supped deeply from the font of ATSB Kool-Aide. It causes the growth of crystal balls.

[aroa]

Another one ? Snippet in yesterday's Courier Mail ? ...veered left and crashed into a hangar. No survivors

[Squawk7700]

This one:

https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/...ing-air-crash/

[FGD135]

They always seem to veer left, irrespective of whether the cause was rudder trim or "power lever migration". The 3 in the USA, the one in the UK and Essendon. All went left.

[Lead Balloon]

Obviously just the same pilot error in each case.

Just like with the 737 Max crashes.

[machtuk]

The Coriolis effect has a lot to do with it, watch the dunny water next time ya push da button, there's yr answer Sherlock....lololol

[junior.VH-LFA]

Clearly it's just the ATSB's fault. Pilot's don't **** up.

[Lead Balloon]

So how many deaths in similar King Air accidents will it take for you to entertain the possibility that something other than pilot f*ck up may be a causal factor?

I suppose with the 737 Max it took a few hundred deaths. Is that your threshold?

[Squawk7700]

Is Moorabbin or Essendon worse for buildings near the runway??? Look at how close this new building is / looks!

[IFEZ]

Yes indeed, and it looks like there's more to come next to it on the LHS with the ground works well underway. The amount of commercial development around YMMB and YMEN over the last few years is staggering. Mechanical turbulence anyone..? Oh it's all good, we'll just put an entry in the ERSA to warn pilots to expect it under certain wind conditions.

[Okihara]

Definitely worse at YMMB than YMEN but still way, way friendlier to GA.

[clark y]

Looks like part of the roof is lowered to keep it out of the runway splay.

[Lookleft]

The KingAir has a worse safety than the MU2 in the US. The difference has been the Flight Safety Course that I think is compulsory for MU2 pilots.

[industry insider]

Is Moorabbin or Essendon worse for buildings near the runway??? Look at how close this new building is / looks!

Don't worry, YMMB will soon mandate all training and flying is done with Foxbats, Kelpies or Vixens. They are great planes and very STOL so the runways can be shortened to allow space for more buildings.