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King Air down at Essendon?

Old 3rd Jul 2019, 01:19
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It’s amazing how many King Air pilots seemingly take off in serviceable aircraft with the rudder trim wound to one of the stops.
How do you know that accident was caused by the trim, Lead Balloon?

It may have been one of the other King Air vices (e.g "power lever migration").
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 02:29
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Originally Posted by FGD135 View Post
How do you know that accident was caused by the trim, Lead Balloon?

It may have been one of the other King Air vices (e.g "power lever migration").
He doesn’t. He’s having a sarcastic dig at the ATSB for blaming the pilot for the Essendon crash.

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 04:19
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What exactly does this have to do with the tread topic? Surely a new thread would have been much more appropriate. I saw there was a new post and clicked to read about the King Air accident. I didn't come back in here to read about the politics of an airport.
It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 04:37
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No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.

”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 04:41
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA View Post
No, it wouldn’t have. Not taking off with the trims set incorrectly would have.

”It was unlikely that the outlet centre had an influence on the severity of the accident. In the absence of the Retail Outlet Centre buildings, the aircraft’s trajectory would likely have resulted in the aircraft colliding with the Tullamarine freeway, east of the Bulla Road overpass. Dashboard camera footage provided to the ATSB indicated that there was a significant amount of traffic on the Tullamarine Freeway at the time, with potential for casualties on the ground.”
I said “may” have had a chance.

They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity.

Neither of us has a crystal ball.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 06:17
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It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !
Hahah I was thinking the same thing, but didn't want to upset the 'precious' that visit these pages, voluntarily I might add:-)lolol

I don't accept the ATSB's findings but hey we plebs have zero input! I knew Max very well, he had a LOT of experience on the Beech (as I do) I believe he had a medical episode when the engine rolled back or failed or whatever caused the violent swing, the rudder trim deflection alone if at full deflection would not have caused this as a stand alone cause otherwise the would not have got certified!. We all plan for such an event but it would still scare the crap out of any normal pilot ! RIP Max, the good 'ole days are long gone sadly:-(
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 07:20
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Was a post-mortem done on said MQ?
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


It has everything to do with it. If the shops weren’t so close those souls may have had a chance of survival. I’m sorry that I wasted 15 seconds of your time and several mouse clicks !
The proposed narrowing of the runways and the shops that may come with that, which that article in your posts is about, had absolutely nothing to do with the accident this thread is about. They don't exist at present and certainly didn't exist when the King Air crashed. That was my point.

It's very doubtful the existing shops had any bearing on the outcome either.

What impact the proposed changes will have on safety is another matter entirely and worthy of a thread of its own. A separate thread wouldn't pollute the content of this thread and dragging it off topic or nor diluting the discussion on the reduction in safety by reducing the runway widths.

Enough said.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700 View Post


I said “may” have had a chance.

They said it was unlikely the shops had an influence on the severity.

Neither of us has a crystal ball.
Junior has supped deeply from the font of ATSB Kool-Aide. It causes the growth of crystal balls.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 00:35
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Another one ? Snippet in yesterday's Courier Mail ? ...veered left and crashed into a hangar. No survivors
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 02:07
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This one:

https://www.avweb.com/flight-safety/...ing-air-crash/
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 04:34
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They always seem to veer left, irrespective of whether the cause was rudder trim or "power lever migration". The 3 in the USA, the one in the UK and Essendon. All went left.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 05:08
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Obviously just the same pilot error in each case.

Just like with the 737 Max crashes.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:27
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The Coriolis effect has a lot to do with it, watch the dunny water next time ya push da button, there's yr answer Sherlock....lololol
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:54
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Clearly it's just the ATSB's fault. Pilot's don't **** up.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 10:40
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So how many deaths in similar King Air accidents will it take for you to entertain the possibility that something other than pilot f*ck up may be a causal factor?

I suppose with the 737 Max it took a few hundred deaths. Is that your threshold?
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 13:01
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Is Moorabbin or Essendon worse for buildings near the runway??? Look at how close this new building is / looks!


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Old 16th Jul 2019, 22:17
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Yes indeed, and it looks like there's more to come next to it on the LHS with the ground works well underway. The amount of commercial development around YMMB and YMEN over the last few years is staggering. Mechanical turbulence anyone..? Oh it's all good, we'll just put an entry in the ERSA to warn pilots to expect it under certain wind conditions.
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Old 16th Jul 2019, 23:51
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Definitely worse at YMMB than YMEN but still way, way friendlier to GA.
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Old 17th Jul 2019, 00:48
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Looks like part of the roof is lowered to keep it out of the runway splay.
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