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Old 29th Jun 2014, 02:34
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Perhaps he went here;

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I don't know if he did or not, just asking the question.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 03:30
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And the letters to the employers of CVD pilots casting doubt on their safety is not a personal attack on them?

Dr Pooshan Navathé MBBS, Dip Occ Med, Dip Aviation Safety Regulation, B Ed, MD, MBA, PhD
FAFOEM (RACP), FRACMA, FRAeS, FAeMS, FAsMA, FACAsM, AIAMA, SAVMO (ADF)
Principal Medical Officer of CASA is an employee of a public authority, and is therefore subject to public scrutiny.

[PS: This post only makes sense in the context of ausdoc's now-deleted posts.]

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Old 29th Jun 2014, 03:44
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If you have any concerns, take them up with the mods or take action in defamation.

[PS: This post only makes sense in the context of ausdoc's now-deleted posts.]

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Old 29th Jun 2014, 09:23
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Yes Creampuff, I deleted the posts. Mainly because I realised that after your reply to my suggestion that playing the ball rather than the man may be more productive, that you are not interested in rational debate, rather in the shutting down of anybody who might question your methods. Editing your posts after I had replied to them is pretty similar, is it not?

I can only conclude that your suggestion that I take action in defamation was an attempt to "out" me - also against the forum rules.

As I initially posted, when you have nothing to add to the argument other than personal attacks, dirt-digging, and attempts to shut down discussion, I think your contribution is starting to lose credibility.

I'll take no further part in this.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 09:45
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Talking

I'm with Creampuff on this one. If a person uses a whole heap of titles and puts themselves forward as a man of letters, then it is fair and reasonable that their credentials be the subject of scrutiny.

There is nothing at all sinister about such investigation (I have no knowledge of the exchange between CP and the good Ausdoc, here). Indeed, such investigation should be see as for the common good.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 09:59
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The way casa introduced drug and alcohol testing and subsequent changes made could have relevance to CVD? Too quick to introduce a one size fits all and the safety argument didn't support leading to changes.

CASA Simplifies Drug and Alcohol Testing

CASA Simplifies Drug and Alcohol Testing
12 Jun 2012
Small AOC holders will be able to use new simplified rules to comply with important drug and alcohol management requirements.
CASA is introducing the new processes for aviation organisations with seven or fewer employees engaged in safety sensitive activities. The new simplified processes do not apply to any aviation organisation engaged in or providing services to regular public transport operations.
Eligible aviation organisations will be able to use a standard drug and alcohol management plan provided by CASA. Full details of eligibility requirements are on CASA's web site. Operators will also use an e-learning package to educate and train their employees in drug and alcohol responsibilities.
Director of Aviation Safety, John McCormick, said the new processes recognised that the existing requirements could be unnecessarily onerous for these small operators.
"We are making life easier for small aviation organisations by streamlining the process of drug and alcohol management while maintaining high safety standards," he said. "Small aviation organisations will no longer have to develop their own drug and alcohol management plans.
"By using CASA's new drug and alcohol management plan and new on-line training small aviation organisations will save time and resources and still be confident they are meeting all the regulatory requirements.
"CASA has listened to the concerns of the aviation industry about the impact of drug and alcohol management plans on small organisations and found a solution that is simpler and protects safety."
Small aviation organisations using the new processes will still be required to report to CASA every six months on their drug and alcohol management performance and CASA will continue to check on compliance.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 10:42
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Yes Creampuff, I deleted the posts. Mainly because I realised that after your reply to my suggestion that playing the ball rather than the man may be more productive, that you are not interested in rational debate, rather in the shutting down of anybody who might question your methods. Editing your posts after I had replied to them is pretty similar, is it not?

I can only conclude that your suggestion that I take action in defamation was an attempt to "out" me - also against the forum rules.

As I initially posted, when you have nothing to add to the argument other than personal attacks, dirt-digging, and attempts to shut down discussion, I think your contribution is starting to lose credibility.

I'll take no further part in this.
How bizarre.

First, let me make this very clear: I am entitled to, and will, track down every last letter of every pre- and post-nominal of any and all qualifications, experience and publications that any occupant of any public position claims to have in his or her correspondence, if I choose to. If some public official wants to claim qualifications and experience, he or she better have them if he or she is going to use those claimed qualifications and experience as a basis to claim a right to the position and decisions that affect people's livelihoods.

And as I said earlier, no one in any public position has a reasonable objection to, and should have no discomfort in, research that confirms his or her stated qualifications, experience and authored publications are substantive and accurate.

To what 'rational debate' and 'argument' do you refer? A 'rational debate' depends on evidence.

If there is any evidence - other than the mere opinion of zealots - to demonstrate a causal link between pilot CVD and air safety, please produce it so that a rational debate and argument can occur, on this thread or anywhere else.

You understand the concept - the evidence is 'the ball'.

I don't need 'credibility': I'm nobody.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:03
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Is Fort Fumble breeding?

Does ausdoc and Flyingfiend work out of the same office in the same capital city? What will be next, an A380 endorsed old codger masquerading on PPRuNe? And why did ausdoc really delete his posts? Too incriminating perhaps?

Creampuff and I don't always see eye to eye, but I am happy to defend him on this occasion. Creamys robust and succinct line of questions as well as his musings were not presented in a way that may cause ausdoc to be 'outed'. In fact ausdoc's weak attempt at quoting PPRuNe rules so as to shut Creamy down is an interesting chess move. A somewhat threatening/bullying move orchestrated by a cornered cat! Funny thing is that CAsA often pull that trump card! Amazing coincidence to be sure.

Too much fun too much fun

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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:24
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You understand the concept - the evidence is 'the ball'.
I sure do. That's exactly what I was saying. You and your fan club seem intent on ignoring "the ball" and playing the man.

Does ausdoc and Flyingfiend work out of the same office in the same capital city?
No idea. As Flyingfiend doesn't seem to have made a post for more than 2 years, I'm not sure how it is relevant anyway.

And why did ausdoc really delete his posts? Too incriminating perhaps?
I told you exactly why. And incriminating of what? I would have just left it lie, but Creampuff chose to edit his posts to continue the issue.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:27
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So the evidence demonstrating a causal link between pilot CVD and risks to air safety is .... what?

Links will do.

Names of published articles will do.

Accident investigation reports will do.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:42
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No idea. As Flyingfiend doesn't seem to have made a post for more than 2 years, I'm not sure how it is relevant anyway.
Very true, February 2012 was his last post. Soon afterward he was 'outed' and never posted again
Anyway ausdoc, I have digressed and believe the thread should be placed back on track. Creampuff has offered you some robust questions in his last post. I am sure that a skilled physician such as yourself could answer these and supply the requested evidence? Perhaps you can take Creampuffs questions on notice, discuss them with Flyingfiend tomorrow, then respond in around 3 years time?

P.S ausdoc, I am not part of Creampuffs 'fan club', however I do have the ability to smell CAsA and shit from 10 yards. And there is an incredibly foul smell emanating from your arena, so which is it?

Anyway, I'm off to raid the Weetbix Packet to see if I can get a PHD! Im collecting the whole set and only have 2 qualifications to get!
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:44
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Never once did I say I disagreed with the predominant view of the thread. Never once did I say I thought there was a link between CVD and aviation safety. All I said was that I thought that the argument would be better served with data than with personal attacks.

Unfortunately, that seems to be the principal tool in the box around here.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:46
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Perhaps you can take Creampuffs questions on notice, discuss them with Flyingfiend tomorrow, then respond in around 3 years time?
I think you have me seriously confused with somebody else.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 11:53
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P.S ausdoc, I am not part of Creampuffs 'fan club', however I do have the ability to smell CAsA and shit from 10 yards. And there is an incredibly foul smell emanating from your arena, so which is it?
Proof positive
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:08
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Proof positive
The only thing here that can be positively proven is that you can't answer Creampuff's question or substantiate your hypothesis with evidence, Doc
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:20
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And what hypothesis would that be?

The only hypothesis I've got is that you and Creampuff seem to speak for each other, and the minute anybody suggests that there might be a better way to go about things, you gang up on them. I've got all the evidence I need for that. You've provided it in spades!
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:32
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The only hypothesis I've got is that you and Creampuff seem to speak for each other, and the minute anybody suggests that there might be a better way to go about things, you gang up on them.
Bollocks. Creampuff and I don't speak for each other. You obviously aren't aware of the amount of arguments I have had with him, there is 'no love lost' between us. If you think that because Creampuff and I hold a similar view on this matter, then so be it. In fact I do agree with his comments wholeheartedly, but let me assure you that there isn't any 'ganging up' Doc.

You hold a strong view, and I actually respect that. All that has been asked is that you provide the research, data, reports, evidence to back up your CVD claims. Not that hard you know. Please provide it as that way I am sure that us nasty bullies will then go away. Is it really that difficult? I will be the first to eat the proverbial shit sandwich and apologise to you if you can provide the requested evidence.
And as for your comment about a better way of doing things, you must really be an imbecile. CAsA's sending out the CVD letters it did to pilots and AOC holders, based upon non factual evidence, plus taking into account the careers and untold damage its stance has already caused many pilots and its families, do you honestly think that is a better way? If you answer yes then you are exactly who I suspect you are, Doc.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:41
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You just don't get it do you. I haven't made any CVD claims, so there's nothing to back up.

let me assure you that there isn't any 'ganging up' Doc.
Then you must be the same person.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:49
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Then you must be the same person.
Proof positive - You really are an idiot.
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Old 29th Jun 2014, 12:55
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I see. So you and your mate Creampuff can make all sorts of incorrect comments on who you think I am and where you think I work, and that's OK?
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