Newbie & Flying Training Advice (Merged)
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From: Sydney
Quote Lucille
". Every day, there are dozens of military UAVs plying the skies of the Middle East doing exactly this. Technology like this soon to be coming to an airliner near you."
And according to an article published in the Washington post a few years ago. The accident rate is very high due to lots of reasons, the main one being lack of SA.
Automation has too many gotchas to get easily accepted by pax (and by the informed public).
Cheers
Seabreeze
( See you the other side of the Covid curtain)
". Every day, there are dozens of military UAVs plying the skies of the Middle East doing exactly this. Technology like this soon to be coming to an airliner near you."
And according to an article published in the Washington post a few years ago. The accident rate is very high due to lots of reasons, the main one being lack of SA.
Automation has too many gotchas to get easily accepted by pax (and by the informed public).
Cheers
Seabreeze
( See you the other side of the Covid curtain)
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: Melbourne
My flying experience sofar
Good afternoon all,
I have recently taken up the dream if learning to fly at the age of 35. Yesterday was my third flight lesson learning all about climbing and descending. The first two lessons were relatively good, I was able to control the aircraft well. Yesterday however I was not even remotely close to competent. Without delving into the specifics of actually how poorly I performed I am interested in knowing if this sort of thing is common when you start out? Can you have lessons you completely stuff up? Did you ever fell like you just didn't have what it took?
I have recently taken up the dream if learning to fly at the age of 35. Yesterday was my third flight lesson learning all about climbing and descending. The first two lessons were relatively good, I was able to control the aircraft well. Yesterday however I was not even remotely close to competent. Without delving into the specifics of actually how poorly I performed I am interested in knowing if this sort of thing is common when you start out? Can you have lessons you completely stuff up? Did you ever fell like you just didn't have what it took?
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From: Inglin
Good afternoon all,
I have recently taken up the dream if learning to fly at the age of 35. Yesterday was my third flight lesson learning all about climbing and descending. The first two lessons were relatively good, I was able to control the aircraft well. Yesterday however I was not even remotely close to competent. Without delving into the specifics of actually how poorly I performed I am interested in knowing if this sort of thing is common when you start out? Can you have lessons you completely stuff up? Did you ever fell like you just didn't have what it took?
I have recently taken up the dream if learning to fly at the age of 35. Yesterday was my third flight lesson learning all about climbing and descending. The first two lessons were relatively good, I was able to control the aircraft well. Yesterday however I was not even remotely close to competent. Without delving into the specifics of actually how poorly I performed I am interested in knowing if this sort of thing is common when you start out? Can you have lessons you completely stuff up? Did you ever fell like you just didn't have what it took?
Joined: Jun 2020
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From: Newcastle
Pilot Training in Australia
I have been looking at becoming a pilot and getting the Bachelor of Aviation and Graduate Diploma in Aviation through RMIT, Swinburne, Griffith, UNISA etc. I'm not sure whether getting the degree is worth it, do airlines etc. care about the degree or should I just go to a flight school?
There are also cadet programs from REX, Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar that I could apply for at 18 (I turn 17 in July) I finish school this year so would have to have a "gap year" So I would need to wait to apply.
Also what are the thoughts on Hunter Valley Aviation (BASAIR) or what flight schools are recommended that allow FEE-HELP?
There are also cadet programs from REX, Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar that I could apply for at 18 (I turn 17 in July) I finish school this year so would have to have a "gap year" So I would need to wait to apply.
Also what are the thoughts on Hunter Valley Aviation (BASAIR) or what flight schools are recommended that allow FEE-HELP?
Last edited by Anthony11; 22nd June 2020 at 12:25.
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From: Mexico City
Hello Anthony,
The next few years will be tough for airlines in Australia. I doubt there will be any cadetships on offer for some time. It might be a bit different when you finish Yr 12 but don't let flying schools fool you into believing you will get straight into Qlink or REX when you finish.
I did an economics degree instead of an Aviation based one. Aviation degrees aren't very useful outside of the aviation industry. Business, Engineering or Science is much more marketable as a skill.
Take a discovery flight just to make sure you like flying.
Cheers
The next few years will be tough for airlines in Australia. I doubt there will be any cadetships on offer for some time. It might be a bit different when you finish Yr 12 but don't let flying schools fool you into believing you will get straight into Qlink or REX when you finish.
I did an economics degree instead of an Aviation based one. Aviation degrees aren't very useful outside of the aviation industry. Business, Engineering or Science is much more marketable as a skill.
Take a discovery flight just to make sure you like flying.
Cheers
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From: Aus
Hevilift Cadetship
https://hevilift.com/job/cadet-pilot...ane-full-time/
Just incase there wasn’t already enough of a shortage of work!
Just incase there wasn’t already enough of a shortage of work!
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From: Mount Annan
NEWBIE TO FLIGHT TRAINING, NEED HELP
Hello everyone, i am a current year 12 student hoping to start my flight training next year 2021, i have done a fair amount of research but i still have a lot of questions. I am located in NSW but don't mind going anywhere to train.
Currently i have a few options:
1) Qantas group pilot academy
2) UNSW
3) Griffith university
4) Flight training Adelaide
WHICH OPTION WOULD BE THE BEST FOR ME? My ultimate goal is to become a large airline pilot such as Qantas or Jetstar, i however am well aware this process will take a long time.
QUESTIONS:
1) Successful selection into the Qantas program is difficulty, any tips on getting selected? (high school results, flying hours, millitary experience)
2) Universities are seen as a bad option as they take too long, should i listen to this advice or pursuit university studies at Griffith or UNSW over a private flight school?
3) IS THERE REALLY A PILOT SHORTAGE?
4) Upon graduating at Griffith, do you obtain: PPL, CPL, ME CIR, ATPL?
5) Universities have the Qantas Future Pilot program, approximately how many student get selected to become Qantas pilots?
It would be really appreciated if these questions could be answered.
Hello everyone, i am a current year 12 student hoping to start my flight training next year 2021, i have done a fair amount of research but i still have a lot of questions. I am located in NSW but don't mind going anywhere to train.
Currently i have a few options:
1) Qantas group pilot academy
2) UNSW
3) Griffith university
4) Flight training Adelaide
WHICH OPTION WOULD BE THE BEST FOR ME? My ultimate goal is to become a large airline pilot such as Qantas or Jetstar, i however am well aware this process will take a long time.
QUESTIONS:
1) Successful selection into the Qantas program is difficulty, any tips on getting selected? (high school results, flying hours, millitary experience)
2) Universities are seen as a bad option as they take too long, should i listen to this advice or pursuit university studies at Griffith or UNSW over a private flight school?
3) IS THERE REALLY A PILOT SHORTAGE?
4) Upon graduating at Griffith, do you obtain: PPL, CPL, ME CIR, ATPL?
5) Universities have the Qantas Future Pilot program, approximately how many student get selected to become Qantas pilots?
It would be really appreciated if these questions could be answered.
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From: Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Nilana,
Not to be unpleasant but have you seen the state of the world and the industry right now? I would be pursuing something else entirely and then watching how things unfold over the next few years. Sadly it’s not likely to improve anytime soon.
Not to be unpleasant but have you seen the state of the world and the industry right now? I would be pursuing something else entirely and then watching how things unfold over the next few years. Sadly it’s not likely to improve anytime soon.
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: NQLD
NEWBIE TO FLIGHT TRAINING, NEED HELP
Hello everyone, i am a current year 12 student hoping to start my flight training next year 2021, i have done a fair amount of research but i still have a lot of questions. I am located in NSW but don't mind going anywhere to train.
Currently i have a few options:
1) Qantas group pilot academy
2) UNSW
3) Griffith university
4) Flight training Adelaide
WHICH OPTION WOULD BE THE BEST FOR ME? My ultimate goal is to become a large airline pilot such as Qantas or Jetstar, i however am well aware this process will take a long time.
QUESTIONS:
1) Successful selection into the Qantas program is difficulty, any tips on getting selected? (high school results, flying hours, millitary experience)
2) Universities are seen as a bad option as they take too long, should i listen to this advice or pursuit university studies at Griffith or UNSW over a private flight school?
3) IS THERE REALLY A PILOT SHORTAGE?
4) Upon graduating at Griffith, do you obtain: PPL, CPL, ME CIR, ATPL?
5) Universities have the Qantas Future Pilot program, approximately how many student get selected to become Qantas pilots?
It would be really appreciated if these questions could be answered.
Hello everyone, i am a current year 12 student hoping to start my flight training next year 2021, i have done a fair amount of research but i still have a lot of questions. I am located in NSW but don't mind going anywhere to train.
Currently i have a few options:
1) Qantas group pilot academy
2) UNSW
3) Griffith university
4) Flight training Adelaide
WHICH OPTION WOULD BE THE BEST FOR ME? My ultimate goal is to become a large airline pilot such as Qantas or Jetstar, i however am well aware this process will take a long time.
QUESTIONS:
1) Successful selection into the Qantas program is difficulty, any tips on getting selected? (high school results, flying hours, millitary experience)
2) Universities are seen as a bad option as they take too long, should i listen to this advice or pursuit university studies at Griffith or UNSW over a private flight school?
3) IS THERE REALLY A PILOT SHORTAGE?
4) Upon graduating at Griffith, do you obtain: PPL, CPL, ME CIR, ATPL?
5) Universities have the Qantas Future Pilot program, approximately how many student get selected to become Qantas pilots?
It would be really appreciated if these questions could be answered.
1) No idea about the QF academy but as far as school goes;
- finish Year 12
- passes in English, Maths B, Physics, Chemistry
That will set you up well no matter where you go in life. In the past these have been minimum requirements for some airlines and the RAAF
2) I went the self funded aero club path so can’t comment on the good/bad of University training. HOWEVER, all the naysayers on here will tell you now is a bad time to start training. So perhaps a course that finishes in 3 years could be an advantage in this current climate...
3) There has never been a ‘pilot shortage’. There has however been a shortage of experienced pilots. Basically with a CPL and IR you are all but useless to any employer. However once you get a +1000 hours and/or some turbine time, all of a sudden you will find doors start to open. Get a licence and get a job, after that you’ll find it easier, the first job is the hardest.
4) no idea. Check the website perhaps?
5) Again no idea. But given the current state of the industry, think about what YOU would do if you finish your training and QF aren’t hiring cadets?? During the GFC (2008) Qantas cadets were told ‘we don’t need you’, some of them waited 8-10 years for QF to call with a job offer.
A jet job with JQ/QF/VA may be the dream goal, but how are you going to get there? If you miss out on a Cadetship, you need to be ready to move north to find charter work or spend more $$$ to get an instructor rating and hope for work down south. Build the hours in GA and then apply to an airline once you have 1-2000 hours.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
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From: Mount Annan
should I enrol into AUSTRALIAN WINGS ACADEMY
I am considering enrolling into Australian wings academy next year (2021) and I have seen a few negative threads but that was a long time ago. I would like to become an airline pilot one day hopefully for Qantas and Jetstar and despite Covid-19 the industry will bounce back. My question is:
Should I enrol into Australian Wings Academy?
Should I enrol into Australian Wings Academy?
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From: Newcastle
Getting a Degree Before Becoming a Pilot
I am finishing my HSC this year and I would like to become a commercial pilot but I am unsure on if I should get a degree for essentially just a backup option for a career before I go onto becoming a pilot. I have been looking at degrees however nothing other than being a pilot interests me. I live in the Newcastle area so was looking at Hunter Valley Aviation Full-time diploma of aviation which is part of the BASAIR aviation college which I would need to be 18 on commencement but I am still 17 until mid-2021 so that was another reason for doing a degree in between. Some of the questions that I would like to know are;
1. Is it worth doing a 3-4 year degree at Newcastle Uni in something I'm not exactly interested in like Computer Science in this time between finishing school and doing flight training?
2. Is it worth getting a degree now if I will be a pilot and the degree will become outdated by the time I may need to use it and I feel it will be a waste of time?
3. Another thing I think about is should I just do a degree and work in an industry I'm not currently interested in that pays well and just fly privately? So basically passion vs salary however pilot would eventually pay well in time?
4. Then another option is doing a Bachelor of Aviation degree (or RMIT Associate Degree) and Graduate Diploma/Certificate which I would prefer doing than another degree by moving elsewhere where it brings me the problem of not having the funds to live?
1. Is it worth doing a 3-4 year degree at Newcastle Uni in something I'm not exactly interested in like Computer Science in this time between finishing school and doing flight training?
2. Is it worth getting a degree now if I will be a pilot and the degree will become outdated by the time I may need to use it and I feel it will be a waste of time?
3. Another thing I think about is should I just do a degree and work in an industry I'm not currently interested in that pays well and just fly privately? So basically passion vs salary however pilot would eventually pay well in time?
4. Then another option is doing a Bachelor of Aviation degree (or RMIT Associate Degree) and Graduate Diploma/Certificate which I would prefer doing than another degree by moving elsewhere where it brings me the problem of not having the funds to live?
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From: AUS
It’s a shame if that’s the case as Bruce Hartwig (sadly recently passed away) was one of the nicest guys you could ever have the pleasure to meet.
(Hartwig Air was formerly Bruce Hartwig Flying School, and Bruce went to work for FTA as a ground school instructor who flew as well, and was particularly helpful to people who needed a little extra knowledge to get them through their training.)
What sort of thing are they up to?
(Hartwig Air was formerly Bruce Hartwig Flying School, and Bruce went to work for FTA as a ground school instructor who flew as well, and was particularly helpful to people who needed a little extra knowledge to get them through their training.)
What sort of thing are they up to?
Dunnunda Fleet Manager
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From: Utopia
.....in that short time I’ve been able to uncover dirty, underhand tricks employed by them to gain financial benefit.
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From: Sydney
Very good advice. And don't forget that liability for defamation is shared by both author and publisher of the web site, not necessarily in equal portions. Since it is of no interest whatsoever to the readers of this site, its better consigned to the digital trashcan of the ether.
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From: Moe's
Good advice above, however, I’ll add that if you do go down the degree path, perhaps consider doing something non-aviation, you never know when you might need to change direction at short notice. Wish I had!