Newbie & Flying Training Advice (Merged)
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From: Aus
Not sure which side of Sydney you are on, but the Central Coast Aero Club at Warnervale has a highly experienced team of instructors, friendly club atmosphere, uncrowded (and scenic!) airspace, and a variety of Cessna and Piper aircraft online.
Many of the members/students come from Sydney. If you live on the north side, it is often quicker and cheaper compared to driving to Bankstown and copping the associated tolls.
Many of the members/students come from Sydney. If you live on the north side, it is often quicker and cheaper compared to driving to Bankstown and copping the associated tolls.
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From: All at sea
I am not sure of the relevance of a flight to Cessnock and back, though if the operator was based at Cessnock it would be reasonable to do your first check there.
As for a 90 day recency requirement, otherwise a check; I expect every operator in the country who hires out aircraft would have this. Insurance being one reason, CASA another, and protecting yourself and the aircraft the obvious.
As for a 90 day recency requirement, otherwise a check; I expect every operator in the country who hires out aircraft would have this. Insurance being one reason, CASA another, and protecting yourself and the aircraft the obvious.
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From: Gafa
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From: close to nowhere
Who would like to blow 150k with no guarantee of a job afterwards just because of the "Qantas" brand on the flight school? It is no different to any of the other integrated flight schools throughout the country so, my question is, what is the specific value proposition offered by the Wellcamp facility over any other flight school?
Joined: Feb 2019
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From: close to nowhere
Fair call. It is still a gamble as to whether you would get a job at the end - I think interest would be a lot higher if the Qantas stance was "you'll get a job as long as you meet our standards". My concern lies in whether Qantas is just using this for revenue and with a desire to pump out as many graduates as possible with no concern for whether roles exist in the company or not. I know this is no different to every other flight school, and I also know there is no guarantee of a job at the end of any type of pilot training regardless of how you get there. Just dont want to be taken for a ride and trying to avoid the "come here because we have the name Qantas on the front of our building (but you probably wont get a job afterwards because we only have 50 positions and 1000 of you to chose from)".
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From: Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Dr Dre,
If you read the latest information that’s not what is being stated at all. I have to say I’m surprised at how transparent they are about disconnecting the ‘academy’ with the group at all. There’s also no cadet program so you go there and pay your money to learn how to fly then after you can opt to “keep in touch”.
I, like you assumed they they would at least BS more about it.
If you read the latest information that’s not what is being stated at all. I have to say I’m surprised at how transparent they are about disconnecting the ‘academy’ with the group at all. There’s also no cadet program so you go there and pay your money to learn how to fly then after you can opt to “keep in touch”.
I, like you assumed they they would at least BS more about it.
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From: Sydney
Dr Dre, couldn't find the thread..... What is it called? Its beyond page 4 when I look on my phone.... Sort of lost in the background is indicative of a lack of interest.
Where did the 20,000 figure come from? I would accept that figure with a massive lump of salt.
Either way.... 20000 applicants were interested. But I'm sure after Qantas casually slips the details across the table during contract signing a few eyebrows will be raised. There will be enough people out there who take a chance though.
Where did the 20,000 figure come from? I would accept that figure with a massive lump of salt.
Either way.... 20000 applicants were interested. But I'm sure after Qantas casually slips the details across the table during contract signing a few eyebrows will be raised. There will be enough people out there who take a chance though.
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From: Auckland
Need advice on progression after flight school - NZ
Hi,
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma).
I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me.
This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc).
I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff.
I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...)
I would appreciate any advice.
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma).
I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me.
This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc).
I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff.
I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...)
I would appreciate any advice.
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From: Ardmore, New Zealand
Hi,
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma).
I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me.
This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc).
I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff.
I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...)
I would appreciate any advice.
I live in NZ and am currently at a flight school completing my CPL (ATPL diploma).
I would like some advice from people who have already gone through this or maybe know people that were on the same boat as me.
This year, I'm turning 29 years old and I'm also married. Due to my age and marital status, I would like to know what the best option or path is into getting a job at an airline flying jets. My current idea is to finish flight school, become an instructor and gain the hours required, from there hopefully landing a job flying turboprops with airnz. This however would take another 2-3 years after becoming a flight instructor and how many years on turboprops until I get onto the jets. Are there any options going overseas after graduating flight school with only 250 hrs? (maybe second officer with cathay but repaying student loan would be impossible right) Can paying for my own way into getting 500 hrs be an alternative route than becoming a flight instructor? (I do have financial support from my parents and my wife if this was the case). I'm just worried not landing a job at this point would have huge consequences since I wouldn't have a job and would have to spend more money to become a flight instructor and wait it out. Would airlines even hire someone with no real job experience but with 500+ hrs (including other minimums like multi engine hrs etc).
I am open to relocating to a different country if options are out there and is a faster route into getting a job at a major airline than the current plan. I'm Korean by the way and have seen regional ads for 250hrs but I don't know the jargons in korean and since I won't be considered an expat I doubt the conversations would happen in English between me and the captain. Their salary is pretty bad too so even if I want to work in Korea later in life, it's better to work somewhere else first then work as an expat for double or even triple the salary right? Don't have too much info on this to be honest just heard stuff.
I just feel like I'm running out of time and started to feel the pressure of having to buy a house and supporting a family (looking to having kids soon...)
I would appreciate any advice.
Joined: Jun 2019
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From: Auckland
If i by miracle go to cathay, isnt there a bond of like 7 years? What happens if you break contract and would airnz hire a person with only second officer experience to their a320?
Thanks for the reply too
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From: Ardmore, New Zealand
Big drive is the money and the progression. Dont get me wrong i love flying but at my age it would be great to speed things up and if i can save couple of years by skipping instructing or turboprop i would take that route.
If i by miracle go to cathay, isnt there a bond of like 7 years? What happens if you break contract and would airnz hire a person with only second officer experience to their a320?
Thanks for the reply too
If i by miracle go to cathay, isnt there a bond of like 7 years? What happens if you break contract and would airnz hire a person with only second officer experience to their a320?
Thanks for the reply too
29 isn’t old to be getting in to aviation either. If you’re about to start a family you might even find the Turboprop gig in NZ more suitable for time at home. The pay is reasonable and it’s quick to a command.
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From: Auckland
There have been quite a few SO’s from Cathay hired by Air NZ recently. Some of these SO’s had been at Cathay less than 2 years so they’ve obviously decided what ever bond there is (I don’t know the details) is worth paying, for the opportunity to get on NZ’s list. Bear in mind this is during the back end of their growth spurt. The amount of pilots they need will reduce over the next few years which will raise the hour requirements they look for.
29 isn’t old to be getting in to aviation either. If you’re about to start a family you might even find the Turboprop gig in NZ more suitable for time at home. The pay is reasonable and it’s quick to a command.
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From: Aus
Fresh CPL
Hi guys fresh on this. Can you guys help me out? I’m just about to complete my CPL in aus and I would like to get stuck into building my hours in any vfr pilot job. I’m currently studying IREX. I’m willing to move any where an very determined.