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Old 2nd Aug 2019, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Kundry View Post
Hey guys,

Will soon be a 200 hour CPL looking for work up north. I'm planning to pack the car and visit a couple of specific operators that are in northern WA and remote NT i.e. away from Darwin.

I was wondering if a bare CPL will reflect poorly upon me? i.e. I haven't taken the time to upskill to a FIR, ME or IR, no IREX done, no ATPLs done. I have a senior first aid cert and looking to get my DG Awareness done.

Realistically not expecting any IFR/NVFR flying in the first year or so however even for the 172 scenics I'll be competing with other fresh CPLs from uni courses/diplomas who have their ME IR. Am I overthinking this or should I just pack the car and go knocking?
Iíd recommend you to get your MECIR before coming up here. Why? Youíre gonna be dealing with a lot of hairy situations up north, 5km vis, dodging thunder storms, smoke/haze. Having a your instrument rating will give you a lot more confidence dealing with these situations ( thatís if you ever put yourself in that position, and hand on heart, some, not all of us, has sent it for the sake of getting the job done )

The industry is moving quickly that you want to be the guy who is ready for the twin not the guy who says (give me 4 weeks to do my MECIR).

Credit to you if you are willing to pack up your car and go north, not a lot of people do it now days, a lot of people simply fly in, drop a resume then fly out ( and it works... ). Weíve all been through that first job conundrum, and it sucks but stick through it, youíll make a lot of good stories out of it in the future.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 07:49
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Grrr Paperless

Will be starting my cpl and then atpl exams soon (Australia).

Best order to do exams? Jepps or AIPS? Let me know your thoughts.

As we transition into paperless will casa bring this into their exams, as in, we would no longer require to use these documents and maybe go off something digital?
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 08:16
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Jetstar/Virgin Cadet ship 2020 intake

Hey guys

I'm currently an investment banker, looking to a career change and to follow my childhood dream of becoming a pilot. Does anyone know if Jetstar or Virgin is doing an intake for 2020 pilot cadetship?
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 11:21
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Ask them. Or am I not picking up what your putting down?!
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 20:54
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Check website links but think carefully before applying.

If they are recruiting there should be a link allowing you to apply on the website. Like Qantas mainline recruitment, the link disappears when they arenít recruiting so you have to check occasionally. No need to check everyday, as recruitment for these sorts of jobs stays open for a while. If you follow this forum you will also see it mentioned in the threads about the respective airline.

I understand the flying dream etc, but you have a good career with massive earning potential particularly if you are willing to do the hard yards in London/New York (get minted). Flying has some serious downsides from a health point of view. These include cosmic radiation, constant inhalation of petrochemical fumes, long periods of sitting, circadian flips including highly irregular wake times, the list goes on and on.

I just donít think in your shoes, the return is there when you are already in a good career. I personally enjoy my job but wouldnít recommend it to my children and looking back if I had my time over would have probably gone for something different.

My best mate is an investment banker and while his job also has some significant downsides the rewards have been there for the effort. Wishing you the best in your endeavours.
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Old 6th Aug 2019, 23:24
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The Virgin cadetship last time round had 4000 people apply. 12 got in. From memory the majority were female, they use these courses to increase the low quota of female pilots. Jetstar has a similar quota of applicants and entry. The cadets all seem very young also late teens, early 20s.

If if you want to go down the GA to Regional to Airline Route the first few years you will be earning 40k a year, then a few more years of 50k, then as we approach the 10 year mark you might be at a regional on 70k. And thatís after a couple of years slogging away getting a self funded CPL which you are negative a hundred grand before the first job. Then comes the issue of funding the first job.

Option 2 is easier if single and flexible. The only way to really do it these days is a decade of 6 figure earning in another industry to set your life up then go into it. Otherwise financially miserable.








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Old 8th Aug 2019, 02:33
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
The Virgin cadetship last time round had 4000 people apply. 12 got in. From memory the majority were female, they use these courses to increase the low quota of female pilots. Jetstar has a similar quota of applicants and entry. The cadets all seem very young also late teens, early 20s.

If if you want to go down the GA to Regional to Airline Route the first few years you will be earning 40k a year, then a few more years of 50k, then as we approach the 10 year mark you might be at a regional on 70k. And thatís after a couple of years slogging away getting a self funded CPL which you are negative a hundred grand before the first job. Then comes the issue of funding the first job.

Option 2 is easier if single and flexible. The only way to really do it these days is a decade of 6 figure earning in another industry to set your life up then go into it. Otherwise financially miserable.



Wheels, that whole attitude and focus on $$$ is what makes people miserable in the first place - no matter what their profession. Yeah you can earn way more in jobs such as investment banking, but having a $3m dollar mortgage and nice view does not correlate to happiness. The earlier poster, if you really are doing it for the right reasons, then who cares about a cadetship. That will probably lead you straight back to where you were as a banker. Do it for the adventure and do it because you're passionate about it. Don't do it because you think you'll be flying a big jet in a fancy looking uniform.
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 10:55
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flyhigherflybetter,

tried PMíing you back but your mail is full!
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Old 19th Aug 2019, 09:11
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Pilot career evenings in Auckland and Christchurch

Something for the guys and girls in NZ who are interested and would like to be able to speak to people in person and ask questions etc...

Auckland, Tuesday August 27th... note that there are TWO sessions:

Session 1: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...ts-67660477309
Session 2: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...9305?aff=ebapi

There is also a Christchurch event on Thursday September 5th listed here: https://www.eventbrite.co.nz/e/air-n...7417?aff=ebapi
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Old 21st Aug 2019, 07:42
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Thank you sir, was going but couldn't find the website from which I could 'purchase' the tickets from. Real lifesaver. By the way, do you happen to be an Air New Zealand pilot?
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Old 28th Aug 2019, 12:28
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Good and reliable flying clubs in Brisbane

Hi gentleman,

Any good flying clubs in Brisbane for doing CPL training with Multi Engine and Instrument Rating? I will need to do CSU/RU endorsement as well.

Currently I have a CASA PPL with 160 Hours - Pilot In Command + P2 hours.

Cheers


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Old 1st Sep 2019, 11:59
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Flight Schools Moorabin - Diploma of Aviation

Hi all,

Just seeking some advice about some reputable flight schools in Moorabin which offer VET-FEE Help to complete a diploma of Aviation.

I've tried a TIF and will be booking in another one shortly, but just wanted to gain some insight on schools if were to pursue it.

If anyone is also able to provide clarification around the general pathway for jobs upon completion of the diploma. Do the flight schools assist with the transition/provide networking or is it generally just do your own thing upon completion?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 12:15
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Question Uni vs Flight School?

G'day!

In a few months I will be finishing Year 12 and I am wondering what I should do next, whether I should go to University or a flight school.

In University of New South Wales, a Bachelor of Aviation (Flying) degree costs 133k AUD.

For 2019 commencement students, it is $133,500 for the basic course, which results in a Commercial Pilot Licence and Instrument Rating Ė Multi Engine Aeroplane.
Whereas, some flight schools offer the same course for 75-85k.

So, what's up with that? Is there any reason to pay an additional 48-58 thousand dollars? I understand that the University provides a degree, but just how useful is it?

P.S. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first person who asked this question, but I wasn't able to find any concrete information.
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 00:42
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ADAPT test

Hi just wondering if i start the Jetstar cadetship i will need to go through the CAE ADAPT test. Just wondering what it tests you on and how i can practice? thanks
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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 02:26
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cost comparison

Check out the fine print to see what you get.

I am fairly sure that you get CPL, all ATPL theory, instrument rating, with all theory exams and flight tests included at UNSW. You also get all your theory manuals, and an initial set of CASA documents. In other words all costs unless you overfly or fail tests or exams. I am not sure about Multi Crew training. Best to ask them. Also they have a top cohort of full time theory and flight instructors. The UNSW reputation is very high, and the aircraft and simulators in great shape.

There is an Open Day at UNSW flight Ops Bankstown Airport on 21 Sept 1000 to 1200.

The cheap prices usually do not cover anything other than a very limited amount of flying, and are done with casual flying instructors who only earn a set amount per flight. If you need to spend more time discussing issues with them they don't get paid. Also there can be a huge difference in approach from different instructors as they are often not standardised across the School. You will find there are always extra costs, such as theory classes, exams and tests, landing fees, reference materials and charts, CASR, AIP etc.

Do your research. What appears to be cheap may not be either cheap or good quality!

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Old 2nd Sep 2019, 08:57
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megab22.

Your last post not long ago indicated: "I am currently in year 9 finishing year 10."

Fine to dream and plan but I think you should focused on Years 11 and 12 if you hope for an airline flying career?


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Old 5th Sep 2019, 14:14
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Originally Posted by Persona View Post
In University of New South Wales, a Bachelor of Aviation (Flying) degree costs 133k AUD. Whereas, some flight schools offer the same course for 75-85k.

So, what's up with that? Is there any reason to pay an additional 48-58 thousand dollars? I understand that the University provides a degree, but just how useful is it?
The degree itself is pretty worthless, but the links they can provide you into the industry with UNSW (and other unis) are not. Iím not sure how many graduates of the degree get the position in the program and how many gain employment but itíd be worth looking into:

QantasLink-UNSW Partnership

It in a way is sort of like a pseudo Cadetship. Of course a real Cadetship would be the preferred option. Like UNSW it would be at a greater cost, although not too dissimilar, you have to add the cost of an instrument rating and ATPL theory lessons to the apparently cheaper cost of a normal flying school.

The real advantage is you are fairly well placed to start employment directly into an airline, and be able to take advantage of higher relative seniority quicker. Eventually over the course of a career itíll pay itself back in droves.
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 01:23
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Air Fraser Jobs

Hi all,

Wondering if anyone could share any information about Air Fraser's hiring of pilots. Their fleet looks welcoming to green fingers (they even have a 172) but with the culture of being "GA READY" I'm wondering what the habits of the CP/Hiring Manager are. Do they want 206 time? Will they take 200 hour pilots? What's the chief pilot/Gerry like? Will they take an email with a resume?

Thanks
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 10:48
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Wondering if anyone could share any information about Air Fraser's hiring of pilot
I realise it might sound a bit old-fashioned: have you tried calling them, introducing yourself & what you can offer, and asking questions to show your interest?

Thats what I would respect as a business owner...
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Old 20th Sep 2019, 09:11
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MECIR locations for Mel and Adelaide

I have a PPL license and have recently passed my IREX exam. I wanted to travel to Melbourne or Adelaide and complete a MECIR and multi engine rating. I will be paying as I go. Would anyone be able to offer recommendations on places that offer a comprehensive IFR courses.

I have heard that FTA in Adelaide offer a very comprehensive course but I wasn't sure if doing it in a DA42 will be a disadvantage for flying twins after and going back to steam gauges.
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