Is the "Heavy" Piston Twin dead
I see the C209EW has a significant number of LOI’s.
This should really give the old ‘heavy twin’ a run. Competitively priced, the new upgraded engine with the redundancy powered electric option is really proving popular to the woke generation.
I’m surprised it’s taken this long.
This should really give the old ‘heavy twin’ a run. Competitively priced, the new upgraded engine with the redundancy powered electric option is really proving popular to the woke generation.
I’m surprised it’s taken this long.
Large piston twins just don't have the demand. 20 years ago a piper rep said they would make PA31s again if there was a market for at least 100+. They get drips and drabs of interest but the used market trumps new prices and by the time the used planes run out might be years and new technology will use a new design or the use for them is jus uneconomical. After all this is a market for working aircraft, not private use.
If you really want something like a Navajo for private use you are better off buying an old one and restoring it. It will be cheaper than a new one.
If you really want something like a Navajo for private use you are better off buying an old one and restoring it. It will be cheaper than a new one.
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Ahh yes but have you flown it?
Ground hugging bastard.
Set up in cruise attitude and power and the fuselage vibrates like a Bunnings garden shed in a cyclone.
The Ailerons are so heavy there is a Tecnam-Pilots only Fitness App and an instagram page showing off the Bicep/Tricep benefits of Tecnam flying.
Loved the interior. Loved the Cockpit. ******* terrible aeroplane to fly.
Ground hugging bastard.
Set up in cruise attitude and power and the fuselage vibrates like a Bunnings garden shed in a cyclone.
The Ailerons are so heavy there is a Tecnam-Pilots only Fitness App and an instagram page showing off the Bicep/Tricep benefits of Tecnam flying.
Loved the interior. Loved the Cockpit. ******* terrible aeroplane to fly.
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Ahh yes but have you flown it?
Ground hugging bastard.
Set up in cruise attitude and power and the fuselage vibrates like a Bunnings garden shed in a cyclone.
The Ailerons are so heavy there is a Tecnam-Pilots only Fitness App and an instagram page showing off the Bicep/Tricep benefits of Tecnam flying.
Loved the interior. Loved the Cockpit. ******* terrible aeroplane to fly.
Ground hugging bastard.
Set up in cruise attitude and power and the fuselage vibrates like a Bunnings garden shed in a cyclone.
The Ailerons are so heavy there is a Tecnam-Pilots only Fitness App and an instagram page showing off the Bicep/Tricep benefits of Tecnam flying.
Loved the interior. Loved the Cockpit. ******* terrible aeroplane to fly.
GA in Australia will continue to decline as the piston fleets reach the end of their economical life. They won’t all be replaced by turbines because of the cost.
Airlines will have to go to cadet programs as they do in Europe where there is a limited GA pool.
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G100UL - GAMI's 100 octane unleaded fuel might keep piston engines going for a long time.
https://gami.com/g100ul/news.php
https://gami.com/g100ul/news.php
There's over 100,000 piston AVGAS powered aircraft in the US. So while 100LL might be on the phase out list by 2030 it will be replaced by something, or just keep being produced. And yes G100UL is on the cards. The real problem is the cost of the fuels, the higher it gets relative to AVTUR the more AVTUR powerplants will be chosen.
There's over 100,000 piston AVGAS powered aircraft in the US. So while 100LL might be on the phase out list by 2030 it will be replaced by something, or just keep being produced. And yes G100UL is on the cards. The real problem is the cost of the fuels, the higher it gets relative to AVTUR the more AVTUR powerplants will be chosen.
The issue I see with G100UL is that the technology (and the STCs) is owned by GAMI. Unless they make their tech free for everyone else to make (or, I suppose, Innospec decides to stop making TEL), here in Oz, G100UL is never going to be cheaper than 100LL.
Assuming 100LL isn’t ‘banned’…
The prospect of 100LL being ‘banned’ in various states in the USA was among the factors that prompted GAMI to pursue its own alternative.
The prospect of 100LL being ‘banned’ in various states in the USA was among the factors that prompted GAMI to pursue its own alternative.
They're not that noble.. GAMI were prompted to pursue its own alternative because they saw an opportunity (if it worked) to make some serious money.
If Innospec USA stop making TEL for whatever reason then, yeah, GAMI can just wander in and take over whenever they like. So it's politics, not technology or cost or anything else that's the real issue (in the USA as well as here).
Not really.. the price of fuel goes up and down daily with supply and demand, whereas the type of fuel used (and what you have to buy regardless) is dictated by (a) the technology best suited to the mission, (b) the infrastructure in place and (c) the cost of maintenance over the long term. That's why there are far more petrol cars than diesel on the roads, but not that many petrol trucks. AVTUR is cheaper than 100LL because it's consumed in significantly higher quantities by turbine engines that are extremely expensive to maintain.
The issue I see with G100UL is that the technology (and the STCs) is owned by GAMI. Unless they make their tech free for everyone else to make (or, I suppose, Innospec decides to stop making TEL), here in Oz, G100UL is never going to be cheaper than 100LL.
The issue I see with G100UL is that the technology (and the STCs) is owned by GAMI. Unless they make their tech free for everyone else to make (or, I suppose, Innospec decides to stop making TEL), here in Oz, G100UL is never going to be cheaper than 100LL.
Refineries will not drop the price of AVGAS to spur demand, they are purely providing it as a service and income, the less it pays the bills the less AVGAS will be available, not cheaper.
In short AVGAS will continue to increase in price relative to AVTUR as time goes by and you might find the only ones selling it outside of major cities will be the satellite ports with large flying schools. That is if they don't switch to diesel AVTUR powered trainers.
The only way an AVGAS replacement will be cheaper than AVTUR is if there is some huge change in the way it is refined, dropping lead is a start, but that might make refining a longer more expensive process making in more expensive again. It's probably better to let the fuel type die and make everything AVTUR or Car fuel based, or electric or whatever, rather than keep a separate fuel technology going. But it's a long way off as the US will not be dropping AVGAS powered aircraft anytime soon.
