Is the "Heavy" Piston Twin dead
New Seneca 5 - with standard dual Garmin G600 avionics suite....
USD935,000.
Sorta makes one look at a 'used' Baron for around USD500 or so....
But then what, when they run out?
Cheers
USD935,000.
Sorta makes one look at a 'used' Baron for around USD500 or so....
But then what, when they run out?
Cheers
Last edited by Ex FSO GRIFFO; 16th Dec 2012 at 00:26.
How do they go IFR CHTR with pax on board... as opposed to BK-MND-PMQ? 
Why not? WA RFDS PC12's (or at least a couple of them) have KLN90B's.
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Some of the C404's bought into the country were retrofitted with lightweight Ansair seating and could uplift 12 passengers on RPT, prior to the two pilot ruling introduced in the early 80's.
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T'was recently looking through the PoH for one of the C404s that I fly and noticed the layout diagrams for 12 seats. Can only think that legs must have been optional for the pax. 
Piper T-1050 project,
Take a Chieftain, stretch it 11ft 6in, strap on two turbines and there you go.
4200kg MTOW, 1400kg payload (freighter allowed an additional 300-400kg), 15 seats. 3% increased field performance from the T-1040 (a turbine Chieftain), 400nm range with full load.
All this for $300,000 USD around 1983.
Unfortunately Piper never got the orders to start production and certification. A small number of T-1040s were built. Piper intended that the 1050 modification could be applied to the 1040 once the certification process had completed.
Take a Chieftain, stretch it 11ft 6in, strap on two turbines and there you go.
4200kg MTOW, 1400kg payload (freighter allowed an additional 300-400kg), 15 seats. 3% increased field performance from the T-1040 (a turbine Chieftain), 400nm range with full load.
All this for $300,000 USD around 1983.
Unfortunately Piper never got the orders to start production and certification. A small number of T-1040s were built. Piper intended that the 1050 modification could be applied to the 1040 once the certification process had completed.
Last edited by 43Inches; 19th Dec 2012 at 00:50.
Some turboprop options for the PA31 series.
Piper T-1040
Not really a Chieftain or a Cheyenne, sort of a half way aircraft. Imagine it 11ft longer and you have the T-1050.
EMB/NE-821 Caraja Conversion
The basic PA31-350 (EMB 820) converted to a turbine with PT-6-27 engines.
Piper T-1040
Not really a Chieftain or a Cheyenne, sort of a half way aircraft. Imagine it 11ft longer and you have the T-1050.
EMB/NE-821 Caraja Conversion
The basic PA31-350 (EMB 820) converted to a turbine with PT-6-27 engines.
Have heard that the FAA won't issue N reg to any of the Embraers. Any truth?
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I have heard that MakeItHappenCaptain. My interpretation is that FAA are very unlikely to recognise/register any licence build GA types. Some folk I know had big trouble trying with a Philippino assembled BN2T and never got it on the N reg.
Have heard that the FAA won't issue N reg to any of the Embraers. Any truth?
NOTE 5 Any aircraft with a letter prefix on the serial number is not eligible for airworthiness certification in the
United States. Example: AR31-XXXXXXXX.
United States. Example: AR31-XXXXXXXX.
NOTE 6 The following serial numbers are not eligible for airworthiness certification in the United States:
PA-31, PA-31-300, and PA-31-325:
31-7400991, 31-7512002, 31-7512026, 31-7812011, 31-7812053, 31-7812070, 31-7812080,
31-7812101, 31-7812116, 31-7812122, 31-8012045, 31-8012056, 31-8012067, 31-8012071, 31-8012083,
31-8012089, 31-8012101, 31-8012102, 31-8112037, 31-8112044, 31-8112052, 31-8112061, 31-8112072,
31-8112073, 31-8112077, 31-8212023, 31-8212024, 31-8212028, 31-8212029, 31-8212034, 31-8212036,
31-8312002, and 31-8312007.
PA-31-350:
31-7405218, 31-7405238, 31-7405485, 31-7405490, 31-7552043, 31-7552073, 31-7552076,
31-7652099, 31-7652144, 31-7852014, 31-7852042, 31-7852081, 31-7852110, 31-7852123, 31-7852133,
31-7852169, 31-7952067, 31-7952140, 31-7952184, 31-7952231, 31-8052009, 31-8052083, 31-8052145,
31-8052217, 31-8052218, 31-8052219, 31-8152067, 31-8152068, 31-8152122, 31-8152123, 31-8152144,
31-8152145, 31-8152201, 31-8152202, 31-8152203, 31-8252024, 31-8252037, 31-8252046, 31-8252058,
31-8252070, 31-8252071, 31-8252084, 31-8252085, 31-8352002, 31-8352003, and 31-8352036.
PA-31, PA-31-300, and PA-31-325:
31-7400991, 31-7512002, 31-7512026, 31-7812011, 31-7812053, 31-7812070, 31-7812080,
31-7812101, 31-7812116, 31-7812122, 31-8012045, 31-8012056, 31-8012067, 31-8012071, 31-8012083,
31-8012089, 31-8012101, 31-8012102, 31-8112037, 31-8112044, 31-8112052, 31-8112061, 31-8112072,
31-8112073, 31-8112077, 31-8212023, 31-8212024, 31-8212028, 31-8212029, 31-8212034, 31-8212036,
31-8312002, and 31-8312007.
PA-31-350:
31-7405218, 31-7405238, 31-7405485, 31-7405490, 31-7552043, 31-7552073, 31-7552076,
31-7652099, 31-7652144, 31-7852014, 31-7852042, 31-7852081, 31-7852110, 31-7852123, 31-7852133,
31-7852169, 31-7952067, 31-7952140, 31-7952184, 31-7952231, 31-8052009, 31-8052083, 31-8052145,
31-8052217, 31-8052218, 31-8052219, 31-8152067, 31-8152068, 31-8152122, 31-8152123, 31-8152144,
31-8152145, 31-8152201, 31-8152202, 31-8152203, 31-8252024, 31-8252037, 31-8252046, 31-8252058,
31-8252070, 31-8252071, 31-8252084, 31-8252085, 31-8352002, 31-8352003, and 31-8352036.
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Interesting to stumble on a 10 year old thread and see if the confident predictions came true.
Tecnam seem to be doing quite will with the 2012, even introducing a STOL version with GTSIO engine. Who would have thought that one would be back in production.
60 deliveries so far I believe.
Tecnam seem to be doing quite will with the 2012, even introducing a STOL version with GTSIO engine. Who would have thought that one would be back in production.
60 deliveries so far I believe.
Some turboprop options for the PA31 series.
Piper T-1040
Not really a Chieftain or a Cheyenne, sort of a half way aircraft. Imagine it 11ft longer and you have the T-1050.
EMB/NE-821 Caraja Conversion
The basic PA31-350 (EMB 820) converted to a turbine with PT-6-27 engines.
Piper T-1040
Not really a Chieftain or a Cheyenne, sort of a half way aircraft. Imagine it 11ft longer and you have the T-1050.
EMB/NE-821 Caraja Conversion
The basic PA31-350 (EMB 820) converted to a turbine with PT-6-27 engines.
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Interesting to stumble on a 10 year old thread and see if the confident predictions came true.
Tecnam seem to be doing quite will with the 2012, even introducing a STOL version with GTSIO engine. Who would have thought that one would be back in production.
60 deliveries so far I believe.
Tecnam seem to be doing quite will with the 2012, even introducing a STOL version with GTSIO engine. Who would have thought that one would be back in production.
60 deliveries so far I believe.
Unfortunately it’s all in the numbers - capital costs are on a par with a new C208 EX, but the P2012 is slower, burns more fuel, burns a more expensive fuel, has a smaller cabin, same BEW as a 208 EX but 430kg lower MTOW. Pretty sturdy resale market for the 208 but hardly so for the 2012.