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Norfolk Island Ditching ATSB Report - ?

Old 21st Feb 2017, 15:49
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Report is getting closer ...

Updated: 20 February 2017

Reopened investigation into 2009 aircraft ditching near Norfolk Island
During the normal internal investigation review process, the investigation team identified the need to obtain additional information from some organisations in order to clarify various matters. In addition, significant time was allocated to refining analyses of flight recorder data and the aircraft’s fuel status during the accident flight. These activities have delayed the finalisation of the draft report.
It is now expected that the draft report will be provided to the Commission for their consideration and approval in March 2017.
The ATSB’s next update will advise when the draft is released to directly involved parties.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2009-072/
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 19:10
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8 years......outstanding effort

Must be a lot of arse covering, ducking and weaving going on. Still.
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Old 21st Feb 2017, 19:33
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During the normal internal investigation review process, the investigation team identified the need to obtain additional information from some organisations in order to clarify various matters.
Wot? Ya mean find out all of the facts?

That would be a novel approach for a post-Reason ATSB.
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Old 22nd Feb 2017, 03:22
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And the question would be; why are they only figuring out that they need more information, now?
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Old 22nd Feb 2017, 05:48
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One can only hope none of the Norfolk team are on the Essendon investigation
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Old 22nd Feb 2017, 08:25
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When will they release the corrected edition of VH-EDC????
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 02:47
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Has anyone realised that gentleman in charge of the ATSB, the one responsible for ensuring that the report is an accurate unbiased report ensuring that all aspects are covered, including CASA's oversight, is the same person that was responsible for that oversight and ran the CASA PELAIR investigation when he was in CASA? Basically he is responsible for investigating his own actions and investigation whilst he was in CASA. I'm sure a conflict of interest declaration was made
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Old 16th Apr 2017, 08:08
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Does anyone know where the flight crew (Dom & Zoey) from VH-NGA ended up?
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 04:53
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Does anyone else ponder the likelihood of another ATSB NGA-style snow job on the SF340 prop departure?

Rex Group still a major donor to the LNP.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 08:12
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Very different circumstances, I would have thought.

No hull loss, no loss of life and no physical injuries (although there is scope for PTSD-type claims). The strong suggestion is that the failure was caused by a random fatigue-related or manufacture defect-related failure unconnected with departures from normal operating procedures.

Therefore, it seems to me that there is little motivation for a 'shaft the pilot' whitewash and little prospect of it being successful even if it were attempted.

Maybe a rearguard skirmish between the manufacturer and the maintenance organisation, but unless there are specific inspection and NDI procedures for the component that were overlooked by the maintenance organisation, I doubt whether this could successfully be pinned on the maintenance organisation.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 11:09
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I am thinking about the hastily-withdrawn allegations that the engine was shut down not long after departure and the aeroplane flew past several acceptable diversion ports before the fan fell off.
It struck me as pretty strange that Ben Sandilands would have published something based ona flaky source.
It also occurred to me that REX group will be concerned to minimise the fallout or any implication of undue operational pressure on the crew, especially after those allegations were a significant factor in the discussion surrounding the Norfolk incident.
I wonder if significant pressure was applied to Sandilands to make him withdraw?
I wonder.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 21:24
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It doesn't surprise me at all that Ben Sandilands published something that was inaccurate. He is trying to sell his product in a crowded market and is trying to get one up on his competitors. Not that GT is much of a competitor but he gets more coverage than BS. I don't think he was forced to withdraw but what little credibility he had required that he did, when what he stated was blatantly wrong.
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Old 17th Apr 2017, 22:24
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may expectation would be that the report will be released on the Sunday of Queens Birthday weekend, or failing that, Boxing Day 2017.
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Old 23rd May 2017, 12:40
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Updated: 19 May 2017
Presently the draft investigation report is with the ATSB Commission for consideration and approval for release to directly involved parties. It is expected that the draft report will be provided to directly involved parties in early June 2017.


The involvement of directly involved parties is an important measure for the ATSB to ensure factual accuracy and the validity and transparency of its investigation processes. Given the size and complexity of this report, the time for directly involved parties to review the report and then the ATSB to give due consideration to any submissions may take longer than the normal 28 day timeframe. After the draft report review process is complete, the ATSB will be able to project a more specific date for the public release of the final report.

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2009-072/
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Old 23rd May 2017, 13:07
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Boxing Day 2017 it is then.....
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Old 23rd May 2017, 21:24
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The involvement of directly involved parties is an important measure for the ATSB to ensure factual accuracy and the validity and transparency of its investigation processes.
Why start now?
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Old 23rd May 2017, 23:40
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Originally Posted by UnderneathTheRadar View Post
Why start now?
Gives them a chance to take a Sharpe pencil and correct the report.

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Old 23rd May 2017, 23:43
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3 claps for Karen. Finally awarded payment for the accident.
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 12:31
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Getting closer - two months or so to go...

Updated: 26 June 2017
The ATSB has released its confidential draft investigation report (AO-2009-072) into the reopened investigation of the 2009 ditching of a Westwind 1124A near Norfolk Island to Directly Involved Parties on Friday 23 June 2017. Directly Involved Parties (DIPs) are those individuals or organisations that were directly involved in the accident or who may have influenced the circumstances that led to the accident and/or whose reputations are likely to be affected following the release of the final investigation report.
The DIP procedure is an important process, consistent with International Civil Aviation Organization standards and recommended practices, which provides an opportunity for natural justice for DIPs, and also serves to ensure factual accuracy of the report. The draft report has been released under s26 of the Transport Safety Investigation Act 2003, which includes significant protections to ensure confidentiality. Under Section 26, the report may only be copied and disclosed prior to its public release for the purpose of taking safety action or providing comment to the ATSB. Disclosure of this report in any other circumstance prior to its public release date may constitute a criminal offence.
DIPs have been given until 31 July 2017 to provide the ATSB with any comments on the draft report, including factual information in support of any changes that may be sought. Given the complexity and size of the draft report, which is over 500 pages long, it is possible that DIPs may seek an extension beyond that period. Once the DIP period has closed and the extent of comments and the likely time needed to give them appropriate consideration is known, the ATSB will be better placed to advise a likely release date for the final report.
https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications...r/ao-2009-072/
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Old 26th Jun 2017, 21:52
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Ah yes, how to protect certain politicians current and former, managers both still in CASA and the now in the ATSB. Just keep kicking the can down the road, until it gets kicked into the bushes and no one can be bothered to get it. Standard beauracratic response to protect the guilty
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