Norfolk Island Ditching ATSB Report - ?

[Soteria]

CASA - they're on a mission from God!

Some big hitters dining from the ICAO trough in 2015 (page 2, including Herr Skull);
http://www.icao.int/Meetings/HLSC201...egates_No1.pdf

Skulls inclusion reminds me of Jake and Elwood putting the band back together!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4yECgXi3Y_8

At the end of the day ICAO is just another mob of pontificating disconnected human beings living on cloud 9, and wouldn't know **** from clay. Of course they were either duped by the Pel Air report or they hadn't heard of it. They spend so much time working minimal hours, having their heads under water while bobbing from fully funded troughs or spend so much time with their heads lodged up their own asses that they simply wouldn't be aware of what went on, down under, 5 years ago
The mere fact that the Skull was nominated and ICAO accepted the Australian Governments nomination proves that ICAO is an outdated geriatric political movement. Folly folly folly.

[Frank Arouet]

I don't see my name there. Come to think about it, neither is 'Eric the eel'. Looks like Alejandro Madiba Valle got the gig for Equatorial Guinea. That makes me sleep better at night.

[Hempy]

Originally Posted by Frank Arouet

That makes me sleep better at night.

MCCORMICK John ADV Australian candidate for ICAO Secretary General

Me too!!

[advo-cate]

Minister is out of touch with the Aviation Industry and so was mccormick

Good post Frank.

Just noticed an article about mccomicks proposed montreal sojourn proposed by the Minister:

https://www.businessspectator.com.au...lead-un-agency

[Frank Arouet]

It's my opinion the Minister is captive to the un-elected Mike MrDak who, also in my opinion, holds the reigns of aviation direction in Australia. It's not only Peta Credlin who should be subject to public scrutiny by the media.
I acknowledge the Minister has some health problems, but he should step aside if he is incapable of functioning as a responsible, competent, and assertive elected member of the government.
Any candidate would appear to be a better choice than the Australian entry.

[Sunfish]

I hear Dominic Strauss-Kahn is also in the running for the ICAO job.

[Frank Arouet]

He certainly would fit in well with the gang at Canberra.

[advo-cate]

Really!! Good rumour Sunny!!

pprune alve and well??

1. Dominique Strauss-Kahn
   Former French Minister of the Economy, Finance and Industry
2. Dominique Gaston André Strauss-Kahn, often referred to in the media, and by himself, as DSK, is a French economist, lawyer, politician, and member of the French Socialist Party. Wikipedia
3. Born: April 25, 1949 (age 65), Neuilly-sur-Seine, Nanterre, France
4. Partner: Myriam L'Aouffir (2012–)
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8. Parents: Gilbert Strauss-Kahn, Jacqueline Fellus

[aroa]

Now for the good news...

From todays Oz p28 re Aviation. By S Creedy, PR handout re-writer.

McCormick's hopes dim as Lui leads the ICAO race

The frontrunner Ms Lui, is a veteran Chinese air safety official..etc etc...

Go Ms Lui !! I say.

Miniscule Truss said 'Mr McCormick was the most experienced and qualified person for the ICAO position..' And judging by Truss's robust interest in Aviation,and collosal knowledge of, he should know.

I do hope other folk here on pprune took the trouble to apprise ICAO HQ otherwise.

The word from ICAO..Norfolk Island?. Pelair?... never heard of it !!

[slats11]

Re-opened ATSB investigation

If the ATSB investigation is to be "clean" and independent of previous line of management, this independence must go all the way to the top.

Remember this
Alarming air safety failures revealed in Senate Inquiry | Nick Xenophon - Independent Senator for South Australia

"The quality of evidence provided to the committee by the ATSB's Chief Commissioner Martin Dolan called into question his credibility as a witness;"

and this
ATSB chief's testimony lacked credibility: Senate | Plane Talking

“Mr Dolan’s evidence in this regard is questionable and has seriously eroded his standing as a witness before the committee.”


If the Senate Inquiry lost confidence in the Chief Commissioner, then how can we be expected to have confidence.

If Mr Dolan is to remain as chief, there must be a mechanism of keeping him out of the loop this time. Perhaps the report should only go as far as Chris Manning (the new Aviation Commissioner) and then direct to the Minister (far from perfect, but what else can we ask).

[Soteria]

Miniscule Truss said 'Mr McCormick was the most experienced and qualified person for the ICAO position..'

Based on that statement the Farmer has more than just bad skin and poor bowels to contend with. It seems all those farm chemicals have taken their toll on his Miniscule brain. There are many better Australian aviators out there other than Captain Angry. But then again, ICAO is also rapidly becoming an outdated conglomerate of washed out has-beens and bureaucratic spin doctors so maybe big chief flying Skull would be well suited there? Either way the industry is rooted and is only getting worse.

"Deteriorating skies for all"

[Frank Arouet]

An Australian identity once said here that things will have to get a lot worse before they can start to get better. To look at the positive, I think we are there, and things should now start to improve.

[The name is Porter]

That's a big call Frank! If Australian Aviation had hit rock bottom there'd be a Royal Commission right now into the bullsh!t that emanates from the ATSB & CASA. Only then will it be on the upslope.

[Frank Arouet]

The recorders will be recovered from NGX to be used in the new investigation into the crash. Not a Royal Commission but a start if they are serious.

[Stikybeke]

Provided of course they are still there......What an A grade F.... up this is!!!!
Stiky
👀

[Hempy]

Hopefully the CVR might reveal why he tried to 'ditch' with the gear down....

[Lookleft]

The wreckage came to rest on a sandy seabed. Video footage showed that the two parts of the fuselage remained connected by the strong underfloor cables that normally controlled the aircraft’s control surfaces. The landing gear was extended, likely in consequence of the impact forces and the weight of the landing gear.

Thats the official version anyway.

[Hempy]

Yeah, the 'official version'. That's all seemed very credible so far, hasn't it?

Oh...wait on...

[aroa]

Dark night ...

and ****ty wx... would not the pilot and co person be busy trying to fly all those approaches have slowed the thing down and have the gear down and locked, all ready for finding solid ground ?.

Would a water impact actually bust the gear out to what looks like a fully down and locked position ? Bust it out maybe .....but all the way???
Because on impact the gear is then subjected to the water forces, which would imo, not favour a full extension.

Any other thoughts and opinions from that under water pic.?

[Hempy]

'Gee this base is low, let's go over water and see if we can get visual'...

Said no pilot ever..