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The real tragedy is the Australian community didn't have the opportunity to engage in this debate.
All the government spin we're hearing is twelve months too late. If they really wanted this as a matter of principle they would have made it an election promise in 2010 and sold it with all the requisite spin and pork barrelling then, as Howard did with GST. They may have won doing so, many people are not anti carbon pricing per se but have been turned off by the underhanded introduction and the glaringly obvious fact that this is the result of a deal with the Greens to keep power.
It's got nothing to do with climate or the environment and everything to do with clinging on to a parliamentary majority, the same reason they haven't dumped the traitorous Rudd, no matter how much he shafts them.
These guys would legalize the sale of dophin steaks if they thought it would keep them a seat.
The trouble they've got is that every bastard knows it.
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Anyone else see the footage of Greg Combet trying to defend the introduction of this wealth redistribution tax? The body language seemed to say he knows he's trying to sell a crock of excrement.
Wonder just how many Labor MPs actually disagree with Juliar?
Worrals; Aint it the truth. However, I suspect that this time they have really gone too far, for as I see it the majority of general public have either simply stopped listening to Labor or no longer believe anything the Government says.
Wonder just how many Labor MPs actually disagree with Juliar?
These guys would legalize the sale of dophin steaks if they thought it would keep them a seat. The trouble they've got is that every bastard knows it.
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Home alone at the moment and I'm embarrassed to say that when that woman appeared on the TV and I heard that braying voice on the 5 o'clock news I found myself screaming abuse at the television.
The medication has kicked in now and I'm feeling much better.
The medication has kicked in now and I'm feeling much better.
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These guys would legalize the sale of dophin steaks if they thought it would keep them a seat.
Something needs to be done about climate change, and I'm impressed that Julia Gillard is brave enough to see this difficult policy thru to a successful conclusion.
me ... what a bargain eh? [/sarcasm]Tell you what, if you're worried that you need the temperature to be 1/14,000 C° cooler, move house to a location about 1 km south.
I copied that pro-Gillard quote above from someone elses quote.. who said it so that we can all stand, point and laugh at them.
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Nah. Wrong target Mil. That poster was merely having a joke.
Wasn't he?????
However, I'm all for ridding Australia of toxic waste. Perhaps we should start with Juliar and her mates and, of course, the Prime Minister Bob Brown.
Wasn't he?????
However, I'm all for ridding Australia of toxic waste. Perhaps we should start with Juliar and her mates and, of course, the Prime Minister Bob Brown.
News this morning said 60% of people want an election on the tax. Wonder how old man Windsor and rob jokeshot feel about ending their career supporting the most unpopular and incompetent government since Whitlam.
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I think we should all have a group pray in asking the Creator (the one that Juliar doesn't believe in) to give her a major and long lasting case of laryngitis so we don't have to hear that awful bloody voice for a month or two.
...on the other hand, maybe that would be a very bad thing, for I suspect that her popularity would probably soar if the voting public didn’t have to listen to her.
I watched part of Channel 10’s 7 O’clock Project last night, (the Labor Party’s commercial propaganda programme). I have to admit, she handled herself very, very well, even if she was very, very economical with the truth. However, if Dave Hughes was to get any further up The Adored One’s ample arse his head would be visible when she opened her lying mouth. I thought most people in the entertainment industry understood the unwritten rule of (not) declaring one’s political leanings. As one noted US entertainer said: “It just alienates half of your audience.”
The American was offering good advice, Hughsie.
...on the other hand, maybe that would be a very bad thing, for I suspect that her popularity would probably soar if the voting public didn’t have to listen to her.
I watched part of Channel 10’s 7 O’clock Project last night, (the Labor Party’s commercial propaganda programme). I have to admit, she handled herself very, very well, even if she was very, very economical with the truth. However, if Dave Hughes was to get any further up The Adored One’s ample arse his head would be visible when she opened her lying mouth. I thought most people in the entertainment industry understood the unwritten rule of (not) declaring one’s political leanings. As one noted US entertainer said: “It just alienates half of your audience.”
The American was offering good advice, Hughsie.
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I have to admit, she handled herself very, very well
You could be forgiven for thinking they're all angling for jobs with the ABC after their current contracts with Channel 10 run out.
This government is hell bent on taxing the economy into a recession. What have we seen so far. Flood levy, mining tax, carbon tax and Roxon wants to get rid of the private health insurance rebate so more pressure will be put on the public hospital system. There seems to be not one economic brain cell in the whole government. What makes all this extra tax even worse is the way the money is wasted. NBN, BER, pink bats and now all these extra government agencies to redistribute the carbon tax revenue. Where will it end? At least when the election does come the greens and labor will be voted into oblivion NSW style.
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Just heard on the news this morning that Greens and Labor candidates for the Council elections in Woolongong are putting themselves up as Independents. (For those not familiar with Woolongong Council, it's been in Administration because the (Labor) Council was so incredibly corrupt that even the NSW Labor government could not ignore how crooked it was and had to bin it.)
These so-called 'independents' recognise that both the Greens and Labor are so on the nose with the Woolongong electorate that they have to present themselves as not being what they really are.
These so-called 'independents' recognise that both the Greens and Labor are so on the nose with the Woolongong electorate that they have to present themselves as not being what they really are.
CORE VALUES: Prime Minister Julia Gillard's carbon tax plan is really an attempt at wealth redistribution. Source: Sunday Herald Sun
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The whole concept has been re-named once again;
It's now "dangerous carbon pollution".
Coca Cola will be sorry to hear that.
Also when listing this government's past stuff up's everyone has forgotten about the 20 million doses of fluvax that went tit's up and wasted.
Someone help me.... 20 million x say $30 is what?
It's now "dangerous carbon pollution".
Coca Cola will be sorry to hear that.
Also when listing this government's past stuff up's everyone has forgotten about the 20 million doses of fluvax that went tit's up and wasted.
Someone help me.... 20 million x say $30 is what?
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I am curious to see how that works
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100...
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1,
The sixth would pay $3,
The seventh would pay $7,
The eighth would pay $12,
The ninth would pay $18,
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do!!
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.
Being good mates and Australians they still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
Now what about the other six men? They were after all the paying customers. How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realised that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each Man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the Principle of the Australian Tax System they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% Saving). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving), The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving), The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving), The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving), The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving). The six are better off than before and the first four continued to drink for free.
But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man and said "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!" "That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
So! Boys and Girls, journalists and government ministers, is how the Australian Taxation System. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up any more. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the tax atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1,
The sixth would pay $3,
The seventh would pay $7,
The eighth would pay $12,
The ninth would pay $18,
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that's what they decided to do!!
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20". Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.
Being good mates and Australians they still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
Now what about the other six men? They were after all the paying customers. How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realised that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each Man's bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the Principle of the Australian Tax System they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.
And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% Saving). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving), The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving), The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving), The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving), The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving). The six are better off than before and the first four continued to drink for free.
But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man and said "but he got $10!"
"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!" "That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"
"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
So! Boys and Girls, journalists and government ministers, is how the Australian Taxation System. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up any more. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the tax atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
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...all of the talking heads on that show certainly make no secret of which way they lean politically.
I watch the 7pm project intermittently and it's not bad when it sticks to light and fluffy stories about movies, celebutards, sport and similar. However, when it comes to politics, science or anything serious the presenters are so far out of their depth that the produceers probably have a decompression chamber stashed out the back somewhere.
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It would appear that Juliar has ventured out of the cosy non-threatening embrace of Q&A and the 7PM Project and has done a walkabout in a Brisbane shopping centre.
There she met the angry public
There was one lady, bless her soul, that kept pushing about the televised "There will be no carbon tax on a government that I lead" issue. Juliar was totally, and I mean totally, out of her depth. So much so that her "minder" had to step in and try and explain things. The lady's reply? "I'm not a fool you know". Full marks to her.
It would appear that, again, this is not going Juliar's way. Wonder how long it will be before they dump her?
There she met the angry public
There was one lady, bless her soul, that kept pushing about the televised "There will be no carbon tax on a government that I lead" issue. Juliar was totally, and I mean totally, out of her depth. So much so that her "minder" had to step in and try and explain things. The lady's reply? "I'm not a fool you know". Full marks to her.It would appear that, again, this is not going Juliar's way. Wonder how long it will be before they dump her?
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It’s disappointing to see so many myopic, self-centred, luddite flat-earthers on this forum. (Could be forgiven for thinking it is a discussion amongst a group of Tea Party members.)
Although it’s not surprising given the dose of right-wing News Ltd diatribe that the general public are exposed to everyday.
Although it’s not surprising given the dose of right-wing News Ltd diatribe that the general public are exposed to everyday.
Terry McCrann is usually a pretty smart business commentator (formerly Age/SMH/Fairfax newspapers, now News Limited) - below is his succinct view on the carbon tax:
HOW do you sensibly analyse an utter policy mishmash conceived in some phantasmagorical Julia-in-Wonderland Canberra world?
That is a mind-boggling combination of insanity and stupidity.
This is a policy that proudly boasts the average household will get $10.10 in compensation each week to cover the $9.90 in extra costs that households purportedly will face.
You can all save the Barrier Reef if not indeed the entire planet and be a thumping 20c a week better off. Every five months or so the average household will be able to shout itself a single cafe latte in collective celebration.
That a treasury could prepare figures of such exactitude, that a government and a prime minister could announce them, without the slightest sense of their fundamental and total absurdity, shows a major disconnect from reality.
That's reality in the broad: you reckon you can calculate the consequences of such mammoth and wide-sweeping change to our economy and our lives down to an exact 20c?
But also a disconnect in the privileged palaces and ivory towers of Canberra from the reality of people's everyday lives dealing with power price rises and those of food and all the rest in supermarkets.
We now have as official Gillard Government policy that the emissions from petrol used in cars and small trucks are OK; but the emissions from diesel used in semis are evil.
That a tonne of coal going into a power station is so bad that we must spend billions buying back and closing a big chunk of our coal-fired electricity sector.
But a tonne of our coal going into a Chinese power station is wonderful.
So it's bad for Australians to have cheap power from our coal, but it's just great for the Chinese to have cheap power from our coal. Can you get more Julia-in-Wonderland than that?
That is a mind-boggling combination of insanity and stupidity.
This is a policy that proudly boasts the average household will get $10.10 in compensation each week to cover the $9.90 in extra costs that households purportedly will face.
You can all save the Barrier Reef if not indeed the entire planet and be a thumping 20c a week better off. Every five months or so the average household will be able to shout itself a single cafe latte in collective celebration.
That a treasury could prepare figures of such exactitude, that a government and a prime minister could announce them, without the slightest sense of their fundamental and total absurdity, shows a major disconnect from reality.
That's reality in the broad: you reckon you can calculate the consequences of such mammoth and wide-sweeping change to our economy and our lives down to an exact 20c?
But also a disconnect in the privileged palaces and ivory towers of Canberra from the reality of people's everyday lives dealing with power price rises and those of food and all the rest in supermarkets.
We now have as official Gillard Government policy that the emissions from petrol used in cars and small trucks are OK; but the emissions from diesel used in semis are evil.
That a tonne of coal going into a power station is so bad that we must spend billions buying back and closing a big chunk of our coal-fired electricity sector.
But a tonne of our coal going into a Chinese power station is wonderful.
So it's bad for Australians to have cheap power from our coal, but it's just great for the Chinese to have cheap power from our coal. Can you get more Julia-in-Wonderland than that?