MERGED: Petrol exempt from carbon tax. Aviation included?
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At least in this country there’s no chance of ending up in a gulag for having a particular political view.
). The only dissenter they tolerate is Kevvy and that's because they really need Griffith. 
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When even the Socialist Party is publishing articles criticising the ALP it's safe to say that they've lost their core constituents...
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Frank, I have only been attempting to provide another viewpoint in this one-sided discussion.
our political views will never match
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Anybody who tries to defend this government's inititives to date is as culpable as them
Fanta pants shed a tear talking to the press club. Wonder what that tactic is. Are we now supposed to feel sorry for her, she certainly doesn't care about anyone else but herself and holding onto power.
Rudd must be loving this.
Rudd must be loving this.
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Fanta pants shed a tear talking to the press club. Wonder what that tactic is.
So is this the real Julia, or was that the real Julia, or the other real Julia, or the real real Julia?
The only real tears that we'll see is when she's feeling sorry for herself after an ignominious sacking - either by the ALP or the electorate.
It's-a-comin' Juliar
And that's really real and no amount of wishing by the raw prawn or the tea bar et al is gonna change it.
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I think the RAAA has a point:
Australia's carbon tax blasted by small carriers - SkyLand
How do you balance carbon use with community survival? In Oz, the very idea of sustainability without aviation is simply ridiculous.
For example, let's kill off the Royal Flying Doctor Service, eh? Uses carbon so tax it out of existence ... good idea?
Eco-nazis need to recognise that today's world has a requirement for essential air services - community, rescue, protection, security, emergency, defence, medivac, education, integration, and on and on. You simply cannot tax such vital lifelines out of existence.
IMHO!
Australia's carbon tax blasted by small carriers - SkyLand
How do you balance carbon use with community survival? In Oz, the very idea of sustainability without aviation is simply ridiculous.
For example, let's kill off the Royal Flying Doctor Service, eh? Uses carbon so tax it out of existence ... good idea?
Eco-nazis need to recognise that today's world has a requirement for essential air services - community, rescue, protection, security, emergency, defence, medivac, education, integration, and on and on. You simply cannot tax such vital lifelines out of existence.
IMHO!
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CASA must be splitting their sides with laughter. Jools is doing what they've been trying to complete for years. I guess any increase in aviation fuel will go to CASA to continue to work on a no aviation environment.
Tough times for them indeed. Perhaps re-train them to become carbon police.
Tough times for them indeed. Perhaps re-train them to become carbon police.
Perhaps Qantas will reinvent itself and divest itself of those filthy planes invest in sailing ships and stagecoaches to have the opporchewinity to move forward and turn the corner?
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Or go back to their roots and buy some Avro 504s to replace the A380s. (That'll give them a smaller carbon footprint - and make about as much sense as some of the other QF management decisions over the last 15 years.)
I've just discovered some great therapy - when julair gillard (she doesn't deserve uuper case) appears on TV, I scream loudly at the set. Just as it did for Peter Finch's character in 'Newsfront', it really works. I feel better.
If we all took it the same length as Peter Finch did in the movie and stuck our heads out the window to cry "I've had enough!", I wonder how many neighbours we'd meet?
I've just discovered some great therapy - when julair gillard (she doesn't deserve uuper case) appears on TV, I scream loudly at the set. Just as it did for Peter Finch's character in 'Newsfront', it really works. I feel better.
If we all took it the same length as Peter Finch did in the movie and stuck our heads out the window to cry "I've had enough!", I wonder how many neighbours we'd meet?
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Or how about some really big gliders?
I'm still waiting with avid interest to find out how Bob's high speed train is going to run without coal. Maybe all the passengers have to pull it.
You'd probably meet your local coppers before too long, as well.
I'm still waiting with avid interest to find out how Bob's high speed train is going to run without coal. Maybe all the passengers have to pull it.
I wonder how many neighbours we'd meet?
You'd probably meet your local coppers before too long, as well.
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I wonder just how much longer Juliar will wear out the shoe leather travelling the country trying to sell the wealth redistribution tax if she continues to meet people who call her a liar to her face. 
And possibly some nice medical officers as well.
If we all took it the same length as Peter Finch did in the movie and stuck our heads out the window to cry "I've had enough!", I wonder how many neighbours we'd meet?
You'd probably meet your local coppers before too long, as well
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I can attest that shouting abuse at JG's image on TV is very therapeutic. Quite soothing, in fact.
But only if there's no one else at home at the time, and probably best if you keep it down to a level where the neighbours don't hear you.
But only if there's no one else at home at the time, and probably best if you keep it down to a level where the neighbours don't hear you.
From an e-mail doing the rounds
Reasons Why I Voted for Bob Brown & the Greens
I voted Green because I believe oil companies profits of 4% on a litre of petrol are obscene, but my government taxing the same litre of petrol at 27.5% isn’t.
I voted Green because I believe my government will do a better job of spending the money you earn than you would.
I voted Green because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
. I voted Green because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.
I voted Green because I think illegal aliens have a right to free housing, health care, education, and welfare benefits – and the right to change our society to suit their cultural demands .
I voted Green because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to my government for redistribution as we Greens see fit.
I voted Green because I believe ‘enlightened progressive’ judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.
I voted Green because I think that it’s better to pay billions to people for their oil who hate us, but not drill our own because it might upset some endangered beetle or frog.
I voted Green because I want to convert Australia to a ‘carbon neutral green economy’ to create jobs – even after Spain has proven the green economy destroys three times as many jobs as it creates and leads to 20 percent unemployment.
I voted Green because my head is so firmly planted up my arse, it’s unlikely that I’ll ever see another point of view.
I voted Green because I believe oil companies profits of 4% on a litre of petrol are obscene, but my government taxing the same litre of petrol at 27.5% isn’t.
I voted Green because I believe my government will do a better job of spending the money you earn than you would.
I voted Green because Freedom of Speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
. I voted Green because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.
I voted Green because I think illegal aliens have a right to free housing, health care, education, and welfare benefits – and the right to change our society to suit their cultural demands .
I voted Green because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to my government for redistribution as we Greens see fit.
I voted Green because I believe ‘enlightened progressive’ judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.
I voted Green because I think that it’s better to pay billions to people for their oil who hate us, but not drill our own because it might upset some endangered beetle or frog.
I voted Green because I want to convert Australia to a ‘carbon neutral green economy’ to create jobs – even after Spain has proven the green economy destroys three times as many jobs as it creates and leads to 20 percent unemployment.
I voted Green because my head is so firmly planted up my arse, it’s unlikely that I’ll ever see another point of view.
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Sadly, that's a distressingly accurate skit - and the 'head in the clouds' politicians such people voted into having the balance of power will control the Australian political landscape for the next 2 and possibly 5 years.
A survey was conducted in the Illawarra Region a week before Mz Gillard announced the details of her carbon tax. (The Illawarra centres on Wollongong, which as major steel production and coal mining in the area, and of course, is a Labor stronghold.)
The survey found that the local Federal members, (all Labor), would all retain their seats, but with major reductions in their margins. What stunned me (but perhaps shouldn't have) was that in abandoning Labor, most would register their protest against Labor by switching their vote to the Greens, increasing the Greens vote to 18%. Things are so bad for the Gillard government that rusted on Labor voters, as so many of the people of Woolongong are, have abandoned them - but could not ever bring themselves to vote for 'the Tories' - so they vote *** Greens! Talk about out of the frying pan into the blast furnace!!
A survey was conducted in the Illawarra Region a week before Mz Gillard announced the details of her carbon tax. (The Illawarra centres on Wollongong, which as major steel production and coal mining in the area, and of course, is a Labor stronghold.)
The survey found that the local Federal members, (all Labor), would all retain their seats, but with major reductions in their margins. What stunned me (but perhaps shouldn't have) was that in abandoning Labor, most would register their protest against Labor by switching their vote to the Greens, increasing the Greens vote to 18%. Things are so bad for the Gillard government that rusted on Labor voters, as so many of the people of Woolongong are, have abandoned them - but could not ever bring themselves to vote for 'the Tories' - so they vote *** Greens! Talk about out of the frying pan into the blast furnace!!
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Frank 
FACTS are facts. Let's examine some in simple terms.
Greenies claimed man made CO2 was climbing rapidly, and it was, however NON-man made CO2 was also climbing unassisted by man.
Average global temperature was rising up until 1998-2001 and this is undesputed too.
Greenies claimed that the man made effect was so immediate and controlling that a 6 degree rise was likely in a very short time.
Now let's look at a similar time frame, say 10 years.......what happened in the last ten years?? Well man made CO2 has continued to climb, yet temperature has fallen.
All the above are facts.
Now if man made CO2 was so effective 10-20 years ago at raising temps, why then is it not now despite even more CO2?
Forget getting heavy science out here. Study the above facts which are acknowledged by both sides and explain it.
It's simple..... It's solar energy, the very thing greenies want to harness that controls global climate.
When the governments in 10-30 years wake up to this....we will all be laughing this off like the coming ice age in the 70's, running out of oil in the early 80's, AIDS killing us all in the 90's and the millennium bug of the late 90's.
If any of you want to know more go find a REAL climate scientist (real ones are very rare) and study the topics (40+ of them) for around a year or two. That's when you really start to get good advice.......pity Julia did not.
FACTS are facts. Let's examine some in simple terms.
Greenies claimed man made CO2 was climbing rapidly, and it was, however NON-man made CO2 was also climbing unassisted by man.
Average global temperature was rising up until 1998-2001 and this is undesputed too.
Greenies claimed that the man made effect was so immediate and controlling that a 6 degree rise was likely in a very short time.
Now let's look at a similar time frame, say 10 years.......what happened in the last ten years?? Well man made CO2 has continued to climb, yet temperature has fallen.
All the above are facts.
Now if man made CO2 was so effective 10-20 years ago at raising temps, why then is it not now despite even more CO2?
Forget getting heavy science out here. Study the above facts which are acknowledged by both sides and explain it.
It's simple..... It's solar energy, the very thing greenies want to harness that controls global climate.
When the governments in 10-30 years wake up to this....we will all be laughing this off like the coming ice age in the 70's, running out of oil in the early 80's, AIDS killing us all in the 90's and the millennium bug of the late 90's.
If any of you want to know more go find a REAL climate scientist (real ones are very rare) and study the topics (40+ of them) for around a year or two. That's when you really start to get good advice.......pity Julia did not.