MERGED: Petrol exempt from carbon tax. Aviation included?
I am interested- does he leave a proxy? Does someone get two votes?
When does Parliament resume from the winter break?
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Thanks.
As much as I would love to see someone, /anyone, from Labor just go away, I hope his op goes well. His presence and unpredictable hold on her, must piss Gillard off something terrible.
As much as I would love to see someone, /anyone, from Labor just go away, I hope his op goes well. His presence and unpredictable hold on her, must piss Gillard off something terrible.
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Labor facing backdown on pledge to send recent boatpeople arrivals to third country | The Australian
In my best Bertie Wooster accent: "Well I'll be jiggered!! Who'd have thunk it?"
Are we reaching the stage where, if an asylum seeker joins in any destructive behaviour while awaiting processing, it's an automatic "All bets are off; you will NOT be granted asylum?" rather than the current wuzzy "such behaviour MAY have a detrimental effect on your asylum claim"?
THE Gillard government is under mounting pressure to process 521 asylum-seekers currently in limbo on Christmas Island, with Malaysia refusing to accept them under its deal with Australia to be signed on Monday.
Sources familiar with the sector said Immigration Minister Chris Bowen would be soon be forced to overturn an earlier pledge that all arrivals after May 7 would be processed in a third country.
Sources familiar with the sector said Immigration Minister Chris Bowen would be soon be forced to overturn an earlier pledge that all arrivals after May 7 would be processed in a third country.
Are we reaching the stage where, if an asylum seeker joins in any destructive behaviour while awaiting processing, it's an automatic "All bets are off; you will NOT be granted asylum?" rather than the current wuzzy "such behaviour MAY have a detrimental effect on your asylum claim"?
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Second time he's been under the knife in a little over 12 months
It would also have helped Krudd get over the feeling that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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If we can believe the news reports, today Chris Bowen will sign the agreement with the Malaysians on the "4000 for (maybe) 800" exchange.
I wait with bated breath to learn the details of the small print and the (doubtless numerous and even more doubtless costly) hidden clauses that it will contain.
Already we know that Australia will be responsible for the health and education of 'the 800' for all the time they remain in Malaysia. Now we have learned that they, ('the 800'), apart from carrying a special ID card that will excuse them beatings with the rotan, unlike any other refugees staying in Malaysia, they will be allowed to work.
I wonder if that translates into: "they will receive Australian CentreLink benefits while they remain in Malaysia if they are "unable" to work"?
And who, I wonder will house and feed 'the 800' for all the time they remain in Malaysia "at the back of the long queue"? (Why do I feel I already know the answer to this question?)
Given that we know that Australia will have no input into the 4000 genuine refugees we will take in lieu of 'the 800' (who many would say are NOT genuine refugees), am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive about just who these 4000 refugees will be, as in age, state of health and character? (I mean SURELY the Malaysians would not use this '4000 for (maybe) 800' exchange to clear their decks of troublemakers and people with health problems. Surely not.)
4000 people - that's 10, possibly 11 747 loads, almost certainly Malaysian Airlines charters (which will go back empty). Who, I wonder, will be paying for those charters? (Why do I feel I already know the answer to this question too?)
It all remains to be seen as the Devil shows himself, bit by bit over the next months or even years, in the details. I for one believe that Australians will find some very nasty and costly surprises in them.
Given this sorry excuse for a government's track record, perhaps 'surprises' isn't quite the right word.
I wait with bated breath to learn the details of the small print and the (doubtless numerous and even more doubtless costly) hidden clauses that it will contain.
Already we know that Australia will be responsible for the health and education of 'the 800' for all the time they remain in Malaysia. Now we have learned that they, ('the 800'), apart from carrying a special ID card that will excuse them beatings with the rotan, unlike any other refugees staying in Malaysia, they will be allowed to work.
I wonder if that translates into: "they will receive Australian CentreLink benefits while they remain in Malaysia if they are "unable" to work"?
And who, I wonder will house and feed 'the 800' for all the time they remain in Malaysia "at the back of the long queue"? (Why do I feel I already know the answer to this question?)
Given that we know that Australia will have no input into the 4000 genuine refugees we will take in lieu of 'the 800' (who many would say are NOT genuine refugees), am I the only one who feels a little apprehensive about just who these 4000 refugees will be, as in age, state of health and character? (I mean SURELY the Malaysians would not use this '4000 for (maybe) 800' exchange to clear their decks of troublemakers and people with health problems. Surely not.)
4000 people - that's 10, possibly 11 747 loads, almost certainly Malaysian Airlines charters (which will go back empty). Who, I wonder, will be paying for those charters? (Why do I feel I already know the answer to this question too?)
It all remains to be seen as the Devil shows himself, bit by bit over the next months or even years, in the details. I for one believe that Australians will find some very nasty and costly surprises in them.
Given this sorry excuse for a government's track record, perhaps 'surprises' isn't quite the right word.
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We pessamists are never disappointed.
I guess if you could imagine any good thing with this deal it could be that we get 4000 Buddhists in exchange for 800 Muslims, but even that's stretching it a bit.
Getting back to the thread topic, carbon tax/ aviation, are we the highest aviation "per capita" carbon polluters in the world? or are we the lowest aviation per square kilometer carbon polluters in the world? or can we justify the tax with just hours flown vs avgas sales?
Just wondering.
I guess if you could imagine any good thing with this deal it could be that we get 4000 Buddhists in exchange for 800 Muslims, but even that's stretching it a bit.
Getting back to the thread topic, carbon tax/ aviation, are we the highest aviation "per capita" carbon polluters in the world? or are we the lowest aviation per square kilometer carbon polluters in the world? or can we justify the tax with just hours flown vs avgas sales?
Just wondering.
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I've just seen Juliar Gillard announce the Malaysian deal (and the [yet another] flip that, contrary to Chris Bowen's assurances, the 560+ asylum seekers who have arrived at Christmas Island since the Malaysian deal was prematurely announced will be processed in Australia).
What immediately came to my mind was that the special conditions the 800 returned to Malaysia will enjoy - (to quote Juliar Gillard, "they will be legal immigrants rather than illegal immigrants"), and with the Australian taxpayer footing all the (I'd be guessing considerable) bills for their welfare, getting to be one of the 800 will be quite attractive to some.
What immediately came to my mind was that the special conditions the 800 returned to Malaysia will enjoy - (to quote Juliar Gillard, "they will be legal immigrants rather than illegal immigrants"), and with the Australian taxpayer footing all the (I'd be guessing considerable) bills for their welfare, getting to be one of the 800 will be quite attractive to some.
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http://resources.news.com.au/files/2...-agreement.pdf
Take a look at the list of costs that Australia - that's YOU - will cover.
Ouch!
The Malaysians will milk this for all they can, and for years to come.
Take a look at the list of costs that Australia - that's YOU - will cover.
Ouch!
The Malaysians will milk this for all they can, and for years to come.
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The Danegeld (
/ˈdeɪn.ɡɛld/;[1] "Danish tax", literally "Dane's gold") was a tax raised to pay tribute to the Viking raiders to save a land from being ravaged. It was called the geld or gafol in eleventh-century sources;[2] the term Danegeld did not appear until the early twelfth century.[3] It was characteristic of royal policy in both England and Francia during the ninth through eleventh centuries, collected both as tributary, to buy off the attackers, and as stipendiary, to pay the defensive forces.
/ˈdeɪn.ɡɛld/;[1] "Danish tax", literally "Dane's gold") was a tax raised to pay tribute to the Viking raiders to save a land from being ravaged. It was called the geld or gafol in eleventh-century sources;[2] the term Danegeld did not appear until the early twelfth century.[3] It was characteristic of royal policy in both England and Francia during the ninth through eleventh centuries, collected both as tributary, to buy off the attackers, and as stipendiary, to pay the defensive forces.
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Heard on the radio yesterday that according to a poll taken a few days ago that 'support for the carbon tax has increased by six percent and support for the coalition has dropped by six percent.'
Wonder where this 'poll' was taken? And by whom?
Anyone else wonder if the small dummy spit by Greg Combet at a recent press conference means that the stress of promoting the tax is getting to be a bit much?
Wonder where this 'poll' was taken? And by whom?
Anyone else wonder if the small dummy spit by Greg Combet at a recent press conference means that the stress of promoting the tax is getting to be a bit much?
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Seems to me that Chris 'n Jools have just created a whole new category of boat people.
How?
The people smugglers agree to 'suffer' a short-term loss by approaching 800 of the 90,000 refugees sitting in misery in Malaysia and ask them if they'd like to take a two way journey - by boat to Christmas Island (for a very reasonable price), with a guaranteed return flight to Malaysia within 72 hours...
But wait! On return to Malaysia, you'll no longer be a put upon stateless person. You'll have a protection ID, be able to work, have free eduction and medical, a free trip home if you ever tire of the gravy train, all thanks to the Australian taxpayer...
...and it's back to business as usual for the people smugglers.
Entreprenurial Malaysian doctors will be finding any number of medical problems that these 800 returnees will simply have to have treated... at Australian taxpayers' expense, while all those poor children not allowed to go to public schools in Malaysia will probably end up at one of International Schools.
ca'ching!!! Terra makasi, Juliar.
How?
The people smugglers agree to 'suffer' a short-term loss by approaching 800 of the 90,000 refugees sitting in misery in Malaysia and ask them if they'd like to take a two way journey - by boat to Christmas Island (for a very reasonable price), with a guaranteed return flight to Malaysia within 72 hours...
But wait! On return to Malaysia, you'll no longer be a put upon stateless person. You'll have a protection ID, be able to work, have free eduction and medical, a free trip home if you ever tire of the gravy train, all thanks to the Australian taxpayer...
...and it's back to business as usual for the people smugglers.
Entreprenurial Malaysian doctors will be finding any number of medical problems that these 800 returnees will simply have to have treated... at Australian taxpayers' expense, while all those poor children not allowed to go to public schools in Malaysia will probably end up at one of International Schools.
ca'ching!!! Terra makasi, Juliar.
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Saltie missed the most obvious tweak the people smugglers will use to fine tune any such scheme. The people smugglers will approach refugees already in Malaysia to send (or take, but preferably send unaccompanied) as many of their very young children as possible to make up the 800.
For a reasonable price, (and one that the people smugglers will still make a profit on, say under $1000 a head), a stateless refugee gets his child (or children) free medical care and an education and the right to work after they've been educated - all thanks to the Australian taxpayer. Using very young kids, they could squeeze many more on the boats.
Think this won't happen? And think there aren't people in the refugee camps desperate enough to risk their children's lives on something like this?
Betcha it does and betcha there are.
For a reasonable price, (and one that the people smugglers will still make a profit on, say under $1000 a head), a stateless refugee gets his child (or children) free medical care and an education and the right to work after they've been educated - all thanks to the Australian taxpayer. Using very young kids, they could squeeze many more on the boats.
Think this won't happen? And think there aren't people in the refugee camps desperate enough to risk their children's lives on something like this?
Betcha it does and betcha there are.
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Whatever your politics, this is funny. I wonder if the audio is available?
If the ABC was Relevant (Part 44)
(a John Clarke, Bryan Dawes skit) - (The Customer)
[Scene: A car yard. BRYAN is perusing the stock.
He is approached by JOHN]
John: Morning! Looking for a new car?
Bryan: Nope. Prime Minister, actually.
John: You’re the third one this morning. Anything in mind?
Bryan: You know....... nothing fancy, reliable, economical family model. Something to get the country from A to B.
John: You mean like a Howard?
Bryan: Yeah....a little Johnny. Nothing flash, does the job. Low maintenance, economical, sensible. Runs for years, no troubles.
John: So.... you used to have one?
Bryan: Yeah. About 10 years. Great little model – don’t know why I got rid of him --biggest mistake I’ve ever made…
John: What happened?
Bryan: Traded him in for a Kevin 07.
John: Big mistake…
Bryan: Lot of people bought it. Good political mileage.
John: How was the Kevin 07?
Bryan: Came with a $900 factory rebate – that was good.
John: Anything else?
Bryan: Not much. Sounded nice but nothing under the bonnet. It was a lemon.
John: Didn’t stick around for long did it?
Bryan: Nah – had a factory recall. Shipped overseas and was never seen again.
John: What was the problem?
Bryan: Lots. But the final straw was the navigation system. Plug it in and it automatically loses its own way.
John: Whatcha got now?
Bryan: It’s a Gillard-Brown.
John: The hybrid?
Bryan: Yeah. The Eco-drive system – not a good idea. An engine that can’t deliver hooked up to a transmission stuck in permanent reverse…
John: Green paintwork with a red interior. And steering that always lurches to the left for no apparent reason – that’s the one?
Bryan: The Fustercluck model.
John: The only one they made, Bryan. Not the vehicle of choice for the road to recovery – but did they finish up fixing the navigation system?
Bryan: Made it worse. Turn it on and it does a press release, heads off in all directions and goes nowhere.
John: So that’s why you’re here?
Bryan: That’s right. I’m stuck with a government that's wasteful, expensive, ineffective and past its use by date. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of the “Cash for Clunkers” scheme?
John: Join the queue brother.
(a John Clarke, Bryan Dawes skit) - (The Customer)
[Scene: A car yard. BRYAN is perusing the stock.
He is approached by JOHN]
John: Morning! Looking for a new car?
Bryan: Nope. Prime Minister, actually.
John: You’re the third one this morning. Anything in mind?
Bryan: You know....... nothing fancy, reliable, economical family model. Something to get the country from A to B.
John: You mean like a Howard?
Bryan: Yeah....a little Johnny. Nothing flash, does the job. Low maintenance, economical, sensible. Runs for years, no troubles.
John: So.... you used to have one?
Bryan: Yeah. About 10 years. Great little model – don’t know why I got rid of him --biggest mistake I’ve ever made…
John: What happened?
Bryan: Traded him in for a Kevin 07.
John: Big mistake…
Bryan: Lot of people bought it. Good political mileage.
John: How was the Kevin 07?
Bryan: Came with a $900 factory rebate – that was good.
John: Anything else?
Bryan: Not much. Sounded nice but nothing under the bonnet. It was a lemon.
John: Didn’t stick around for long did it?
Bryan: Nah – had a factory recall. Shipped overseas and was never seen again.
John: What was the problem?
Bryan: Lots. But the final straw was the navigation system. Plug it in and it automatically loses its own way.
John: Whatcha got now?
Bryan: It’s a Gillard-Brown.
John: The hybrid?
Bryan: Yeah. The Eco-drive system – not a good idea. An engine that can’t deliver hooked up to a transmission stuck in permanent reverse…
John: Green paintwork with a red interior. And steering that always lurches to the left for no apparent reason – that’s the one?
Bryan: The Fustercluck model.
John: The only one they made, Bryan. Not the vehicle of choice for the road to recovery – but did they finish up fixing the navigation system?
Bryan: Made it worse. Turn it on and it does a press release, heads off in all directions and goes nowhere.
John: So that’s why you’re here?
Bryan: That’s right. I’m stuck with a government that's wasteful, expensive, ineffective and past its use by date. I don’t suppose you’ve heard of the “Cash for Clunkers” scheme?
John: Join the queue brother.
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What's the bet that if any adult sent to Malaysia ("to the back of the very long queue") has any children there, (either before or after he or she is sent there), those children will also not be eligible for Malaysian government schooling or medical care?
Therefore, one can only wonder who will pick up the tab for the education and medical care for what can sometimes be very big families? "The 800" could quite easily become "the 8000".
All aboard the gravy train!
To get back at least towards an aviation theme, I can't begin to imagine how they'll handle an A320 load of unwilling asylum seekers. Unless they heavily sedate them, (imagine the outcry from the huggy fluffs if they did that!!), they'll need four security people per 'refugee'.
It's not a situation I'd like to be a part of as the operating crew. I've had experience with just one unwilling deportee and seen first hand the mayhem that can bring on.
Therefore, one can only wonder who will pick up the tab for the education and medical care for what can sometimes be very big families? "The 800" could quite easily become "the 8000".
All aboard the gravy train!
To get back at least towards an aviation theme, I can't begin to imagine how they'll handle an A320 load of unwilling asylum seekers. Unless they heavily sedate them, (imagine the outcry from the huggy fluffs if they did that!!), they'll need four security people per 'refugee'.
It's not a situation I'd like to be a part of as the operating crew. I've had experience with just one unwilling deportee and seen first hand the mayhem that can bring on.
Wiley
Given the seeming orientation of a certain broadcaster I think you may be waiting a looooong time for the audio.
This "transcript" is from a whole series of Clarke/Dawe fictional exchanges, penned by a poster, name of "Speedy" on Joanne Nova`s website.
He punches one out every couple of weeks, some are real ROFLMAO material indeed!
Unfortunately, if John and Bryan ever actually used any of his stuff there would be the predictable outcry from the expected quarter - media "balance" being a hot topic at the moment, and all that...
Interesting though - this is the third totally unrelated internet source I have sighted that piece on in the last couple of days, maybe his work is starting to get around...?
Given the seeming orientation of a certain broadcaster I think you may be waiting a looooong time for the audio.
This "transcript" is from a whole series of Clarke/Dawe fictional exchanges, penned by a poster, name of "Speedy" on Joanne Nova`s website.
He punches one out every couple of weeks, some are real ROFLMAO material indeed!
Unfortunately, if John and Bryan ever actually used any of his stuff there would be the predictable outcry from the expected quarter - media "balance" being a hot topic at the moment, and all that...
Interesting though - this is the third totally unrelated internet source I have sighted that piece on in the last couple of days, maybe his work is starting to get around...?
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From the Tim Blair blog today:
Who'd have predicted that? (See Saltie's post above.)
Malaysia refugees threaten to pay people smugglers to take them to Australia | News.com.au
Refugees in Malaysia are threatening to pay people smugglers to take them to Australia, saying they’ll be treated better when they’re sent back under the asylum seeker swap deal.
Human-rights organisations have criticised the deal, saying it could actually act as a pull factor for boat people and creates a two-tier refugee system.
Human-rights organisations have criticised the deal, saying it could actually act as a pull factor for boat people and creates a two-tier refugee system.
Malaysia refugees threaten to pay people smugglers to take them to Australia | News.com.au