MERGED: Petrol exempt from carbon tax. Aviation included?
How can they lead this country?...
364 DAYS UNTIL LABOR’S NEVER FOREVER TAX | Daily Telegraph Tim Blair Blog
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In question time today the Government were very specific with their answers..."no tax on cars and light commercial vehicles". When asked "would there be a tax on buses?" the reply was "there will be no tax on cars and light commercial vehicles". From what I saw today there will be a tax on buses, trucks and aircraft!
PS: Yes it's true, I watch question time...
PS: Yes it's true, I watch question time...
...From what I saw today there will be a tax on buses, trucks and aircraft!
Steve Price: We were a little confused about the use of the world petrol. Did the PM mean “fuel”?
Dreyfus: The PM meant petrol, very clearly....
Price: So it’s petrol not fuel.
Dreyfus: It’s petrol that we’re talking about…
Price: So her promise doesn’t apply to diesel or LPG?
Dreyfus: No, we’ve made it clear at the moment that we’re talking about petrol…
Price: We contacted the PM’s office this morning because we were confused about the word petrol as opposed to fuel, and according to the Prime Minister’s office she meant to say fuel, not petrol.
Dreyfus: Well, that’s good. If that’s clear.
Price: Well, you don’t know. You’re the minister here. Is it petrol or is it fuel?
Dreyfus: Well, we were about to announce, ah, we hope within a short time the full details of this package… What was made clear by the Prime Minister yesterday was petrol. And if we’ve gone to fuel, that’s clear, too… And if you’ve had confirmation this morning from the Prime Minister’s office that it’s fuel , then it’s fuel.
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A Bolt reader comments...
"...How will staff at a service station decide whether a vehicle filling is Carbon Dioxide Fuel Tax exempt or not.
As far as diesel is concerned I read recently that 25% of all imported cars are now diesel because they are more efficient..."
On the other hand, Gillard could still tax the drivers | Herald Sun Andrew Bolt Blog
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Would love to see pilots refusing to fly him, if he wants a carbon tax so badly make him ride his bike back to Tassie...
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From /the /Greens Policy:
`The Australian Greens want:
`environmental costs incorporated into the cost of air travel.’
Simply put the Greens wish to TAX the aviation industry out of existence.
PM Julia Gillard announces another populist policy attempting to regain some votes only have it again torpedoed by her `partners’ Bob Brown who categorically states they have an undertaking for another committee/investigation/conversation to review this with the aim of introducing Fuel TAX in 2015.
Is this woman and this government really serious?
Does she really think after all the incompetence; deceit and untruthfulness the Australian people are that dumb?
`The Australian Greens want:
`environmental costs incorporated into the cost of air travel.’
Simply put the Greens wish to TAX the aviation industry out of existence.
PM Julia Gillard announces another populist policy attempting to regain some votes only have it again torpedoed by her `partners’ Bob Brown who categorically states they have an undertaking for another committee/investigation/conversation to review this with the aim of introducing Fuel TAX in 2015.
Is this woman and this government really serious?
Does she really think after all the incompetence; deceit and untruthfulness the Australian people are that dumb?
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The bottom line, (well, one of the many), is that Labour, ALP, have no alternative to TAXATION, they cannot manage money, as they have proved over the last three years, so their only option is to raise taxes from the poor buggahs that are lucky enough to be in employment and earn enough to pay tax but very unlikely to be ALP voters.
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But both parties have the same policy
Both parties have the same emissions reduction targets. 5% off 1990 levels by 2020. Very important point. BOTH parties have the same targets. The argument is about how you get there.
So Labor has a Carbon Tax to become an emissions trading scheme in a few years, almost universally regarded as the most efficient way to reduce carbon emissions. Tony Abbott on 7.30 Report tonight couldn't name one economist who says his plan is the best. Less than 1000 companies pay while the money goes to households, green technology and helping trade exposed industries.
The Libs have "Direct Action", which will cost $720 per person per year in tax. They'll either have to raise taxes, or cut services. There is no other way. (Last week they - ie Kevin Andrews - said in parliament that they'd wave through the Government's budget measures worth $2.5 billion when they'd need to find $10bn to fund their version of the tax. I watch Parliament too.)
Labor has compensation which for almost every GA pilot given their income will likely cover all costs. Libs have no compensation.
The effect of the GST on the CPI was much greater than the likely effect of the Carbon Tax. The effect of the increase in the $A has had a much greater effect than the likely effect of the Carbon Tax.
Every time something like this comes along they sky is apparently going to fall in. It arrives and everyone says "what was that all about". This will be the same.
So Labor has a Carbon Tax to become an emissions trading scheme in a few years, almost universally regarded as the most efficient way to reduce carbon emissions. Tony Abbott on 7.30 Report tonight couldn't name one economist who says his plan is the best. Less than 1000 companies pay while the money goes to households, green technology and helping trade exposed industries.
The Libs have "Direct Action", which will cost $720 per person per year in tax. They'll either have to raise taxes, or cut services. There is no other way. (Last week they - ie Kevin Andrews - said in parliament that they'd wave through the Government's budget measures worth $2.5 billion when they'd need to find $10bn to fund their version of the tax. I watch Parliament too.)
Labor has compensation which for almost every GA pilot given their income will likely cover all costs. Libs have no compensation.
The effect of the GST on the CPI was much greater than the likely effect of the Carbon Tax. The effect of the increase in the $A has had a much greater effect than the likely effect of the Carbon Tax.
Every time something like this comes along they sky is apparently going to fall in. It arrives and everyone says "what was that all about". This will be the same.
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if he wants a carbon tax so badly make him ride his bike back to Tassie...
One Rule For Some is the motto of all pollies.
Labor has compensation which for almost every GA pilot given their income will likely cover all costs.
Meaning that GA pilots have a particular income?
GA pilots I meet come from every income bracket, from 'smell of an oily rag' to 'do you like my new Cirrus I just paid cash for, one day I'm going to learn how to fly it?'
So what's the go with personal use diesel? Should I be looking for a petrol trade in? Mate is a car dealer who sells several well known Euro brands. He reckons that sales of V6 petrols died in the arse in the last couple of years with everyone wanting an efficient, green friendly diesel, which of course the Euros do well. Maybe he'll finally shift the petrol sixes off the lot, ill wind and all...
It would be awesome if the government worked out the basic details of these schemes before doing the press launch (or before the racketeers start circling, as with the roof insulation fiasco), but I guess that's too much to hope for.
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Some people still don't get it!
The Howard government went to an election with the GST as policy and was re-elected.
The GST at 10% replaced Sales Tax which varied from 7.5% up to 30%.
GST is a far more efficient taxation system than Sales Tax, the least of which is capturing a lot (but not all) of the black economy.
Gillard went to an election in 2010 sincerely promising not to introduce a carbon tax, but being held hostage by the Greens, reneged at the earliest opportunity.
So now ask yourself, do you think Gillard will give a toss about the aviation industry?
The Howard government went to an election with the GST as policy and was re-elected.
The GST at 10% replaced Sales Tax which varied from 7.5% up to 30%.
GST is a far more efficient taxation system than Sales Tax, the least of which is capturing a lot (but not all) of the black economy.
Gillard went to an election in 2010 sincerely promising not to introduce a carbon tax, but being held hostage by the Greens, reneged at the earliest opportunity.
So now ask yourself, do you think Gillard will give a toss about the aviation industry?
Socialism is a wonderful thing until you run out of other people's money!
Now will all you swinging voters get back on the right side of the fence and stay there
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A little bit of drift, but this probably sums up the warm feelings the average motorist has about the state of the Nation.
I was stuck in a traffic jam on the M1 motorway - nothing was moving - and then a man knocked on my window.
I opened it and asked "what's happening?"
"Terrorists have kidnapped Julia Gillard, Penny Wong and Greg Combet. They're asking for a $100 million dollar ransom, otherwise they're going to douse them all with petrol and set them on fire, so we're going from car to car taking up a collection."
So I asked "How much is everyone giving, on average?"
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"About a litre."
I opened it and asked "what's happening?"
"Terrorists have kidnapped Julia Gillard, Penny Wong and Greg Combet. They're asking for a $100 million dollar ransom, otherwise they're going to douse them all with petrol and set them on fire, so we're going from car to car taking up a collection."
So I asked "How much is everyone giving, on average?"
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"About a litre."
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Both parties have the same emissions reduction targets. 5% off 1990 levels by 2020. Very important point. BOTH parties have the same targets. The argument is about how you get there.
Therefore, the aviation industry be exempt form any of these TAXes?
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Does she really think after all the incompetence; deceit and untruthfulness the Australian people are that dumb?
And unfortunately she would be correct. That's how we got to this point.
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As someone i wouldnt normally say cares about politics said to me the other day, "Does that Juliar think we are all dumb? the talks to us like we are all kindergarten kids"
someone e-mailed me this:
Just in case you don't believe the numbers, here's a graph from an IPCC report
Here's a practical way to understand Julia Gillard’s Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme.
Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a walk along it.
The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen - that's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
The next 9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre. The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot. 96% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It’s natural.
Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 14 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch. That’s the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.
And of those 14 millimetres Australia puts in 0.21 of a millimetre. About the thickness of a hair. Out of a kilometre!
As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Julia Gillard calls Carbon Pollution.
Imagine Brisbane's new Gateway Bridge, ready to be opened by Julia Gillard. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Julia Gillard says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.
Imagine 1 kilometre of atmosphere and we want to get rid of the carbon pollution in it created by human activity. Let's go for a walk along it.
The first 770 metres are Nitrogen.
The next 210 metres are Oxygen - that's 980 metres of the 1 kilometre. 20 metres to go.
The next 10 metres are water vapour. 10 metres left.
The next 9 metres are argon. Just 1 more metre.
A few gases make up the first bit of that last metre. The last 38 centimetres of the kilometre - that's carbon dioxide. A bit over one foot. 96% of that is produced by Mother Nature. It’s natural.
Out of our journey of one kilometre, there are just 14 millimetres left. Just over a centimetre - about half an inch. That’s the amount of carbon dioxide that global human activity puts into the atmosphere.
And of those 14 millimetres Australia puts in 0.21 of a millimetre. About the thickness of a hair. Out of a kilometre!
As a hair is to a kilometre - so is Australia 's contribution to what Julia Gillard calls Carbon Pollution.
Imagine Brisbane's new Gateway Bridge, ready to be opened by Julia Gillard. It's been polished, painted and scrubbed by an army of workers till its 1 kilometre length is surgically clean. Except that Julia Gillard says we have a huge problem, the bridge is polluted - there's a human hair on the roadway. We'd laugh ourselves silly.