PNG Charts - where can you find them?
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PNG Charts - where can you find them?
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Obviously looking at a job in PNG. I know that Jeppos have coverage, and some charts, but there are also PNG CASA charts. Can anyone offer the benefit of their experience in procurring these? I suggested going to CASA's office in Port Moresby - which only produces howls of laughter from the Fixed Wing operators already in country
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Obviously looking at a job in PNG. I know that Jeppos have coverage, and some charts, but there are also PNG CASA charts. Can anyone offer the benefit of their experience in procurring these? I suggested going to CASA's office in Port Moresby - which only produces howls of laughter from the Fixed Wing operators already in country
Any ideas?
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The Briefing office at Jacksons (POM) has ERC, VTC, Radio chart together with the PNG CAA DAPS. Reasonably priced I believe.
I am also told that a Rotary pilot/s from one of the companies at Jackson's of the Helicopter had put together a pretty good book of WAC/ONC type charts. That one did not sound so cheap but the product seemed pretty good.
Can't help with any contact numbers for either unfortunately. Maybe someone else can provide.
I am also told that a Rotary pilot/s from one of the companies at Jackson's of the Helicopter had put together a pretty good book of WAC/ONC type charts. That one did not sound so cheap but the product seemed pretty good.
Can't help with any contact numbers for either unfortunately. Maybe someone else can provide.
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Thanks NCD
I'll chase it up at Jackson. I found some more info regards RAAF AIS and I'll write to them too. I believe they have the ONCs as well as JOG-Air (1:250 000) which would be handy. They also have regional FLIP (Flight Info Pubs) that cover the variations from Aussie procedures that should, like wise, prove useful. I'll post the info I can dig up on here for others who may be in need, and I'll chase/document what's available in POM.
Thanks for the info NCD!!
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Best of luck. Unfortunately I don't think RAAF AIS will help you if you aren't a military flyer.
I believe Jeppesen grab all there information from local / government providers so there will be no difference in quality between the Jeppesen stuff and the local PNG stuff. All just as safe.
I believe Jeppesen grab all there information from local / government providers so there will be no difference in quality between the Jeppesen stuff and the local PNG stuff. All just as safe.
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The RAAF AIS Website says that you can write and ask. If not restricted (Scales greater resolution than 1:250 000 (JOG AIR) for example are all restricted) and there are enough available for the ADF, they will sell them to you. I will see what they say and post back.
Regards all being just as safe? The latest PNG-produced RTC has one leg with an LSALT that is 3000' lower than it should be, based on other and previous charts. Should be 9000', but written as 6000'. No amendment process/NOTAM/CHAD etc. The current guys have picked it up because they know from experience what it should be, and it's being passed on through corporate knowledge for folk to adjust on their 'mostly photocopied' charts. How would you feel as a FNG, flying in the gloop on this chart?
I'll research this, as mentioned, and post the findings here for the benefit of those searching for similar details. Happy to get more info from those in-country?
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Regards all being just as safe? The latest PNG-produced RTC has one leg with an LSALT that is 3000' lower than it should be, based on other and previous charts. Should be 9000', but written as 6000'. No amendment process/NOTAM/CHAD etc. The current guys have picked it up because they know from experience what it should be, and it's being passed on through corporate knowledge for folk to adjust on their 'mostly photocopied' charts. How would you feel as a FNG, flying in the gloop on this chart?
I'll research this, as mentioned, and post the findings here for the benefit of those searching for similar details. Happy to get more info from those in-country?
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Originally Posted by NCD
The Briefing office at Jacksons (POM) has ERC, VTC, Radio chart together with the PNG CAA DAPS. Reasonably priced I believe.
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Upstairs above Airlines PNG domestic check-in area. Easy access if you are in uniform.
But, last week they were out of stock of most of what you are after.
But, last week they were out of stock of most of what you are after.
Really depends on what type of flying people are going to do. As in the type of operation and which company. The difference between a F100 and a c172 operation...
The chopper company you are referring to is Heli Niugini. They use to produce a fantastic book that has all the maps cut into A4 or reduced to fit A4. Not sure if they still produce the book. You should also remember that even if they do produce the book the maps are still the same maps from the 60s and let me assure you things have changed. Digicel towers have been erected, roads have been built etc.
The above book only works really if you know where you are going. Regardless of what some people think PNG experience is worth its weight in gold.
Again depending on your operation another publication you may require is Bill Percels strip guide.
The RAAF stuff is virtually useless & out of date but a good start.
Air Services Limited do amendments
They are just not like Australia 
they are available from briefing... Once again experience is 
Jepps plates are available however you need to buy the whole of South East Asia package to get PNG. And not all procedure / approaches are in Jepps e.g. Hoskins. Also a point to note is the Jepps are just reproduced Air Services charts therefore if a DME step takes you into a hill on those charts so will the Jepps e.g. Buka
Something about PNG experience again
The official CASA PNG buildings are not easy to explain. Best place to obtain your charts & maps is from your employer. Hopefully you get a training captain with experience and do yourself a favour write down all the hints he gives you if you get a "specialist" direct entry command guy... good luck
Lots of people cannot believe the state of Airservices & CASA in PNG but it is the way it is...
The chopper company you are referring to is Heli Niugini. They use to produce a fantastic book that has all the maps cut into A4 or reduced to fit A4. Not sure if they still produce the book. You should also remember that even if they do produce the book the maps are still the same maps from the 60s and let me assure you things have changed. Digicel towers have been erected, roads have been built etc.
The above book only works really if you know where you are going. Regardless of what some people think PNG experience is worth its weight in gold.
Again depending on your operation another publication you may require is Bill Percels strip guide.
The RAAF stuff is virtually useless & out of date but a good start.
Air Services Limited do amendments
They are just not like Australia they are available from briefing... Once again experience is Jepps plates are available however you need to buy the whole of South East Asia package to get PNG. And not all procedure / approaches are in Jepps e.g. Hoskins. Also a point to note is the Jepps are just reproduced Air Services charts therefore if a DME step takes you into a hill on those charts so will the Jepps e.g. Buka
Something about PNG experience again
The official CASA PNG buildings are not easy to explain. Best place to obtain your charts & maps is from your employer. Hopefully you get a training captain with experience and do yourself a favour write down all the hints he gives you if you get a "specialist" direct entry command guy... good luck
Lots of people cannot believe the state of Airservices & CASA in PNG but it is the way it is...
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MMM a real WAC?
They were as rare as hens teeth even when I went to PNG in the mid 80s - reason being the WAC printing plates were sent to PNG at Independence and were ruined pretty quick...rumour had it on the first printing run...spare set sent and same happened. Real WACs were prized personal possessions NEVER lent out. If you truly have a digitised PNG WAC I would love a copy
Derated those Uni of Texas ONCs are VERY old.
Oh...and 'typos' on the enroute charts in PNG were ALWAYS a feature - every time a new one was issued a copy would be taped to the crew room wall and we would all stand around amending it with the true LSALTs, magnetic tracks, distances etc and then send it back to DCA. Never seemed to make a lot of difference.
When a new IAL procedure was issued we always flew it in clear air first - there were several over the years that would have resulted in CFIT had you trusted them straight out of the box
They were as rare as hens teeth even when I went to PNG in the mid 80s - reason being the WAC printing plates were sent to PNG at Independence and were ruined pretty quick...rumour had it on the first printing run...spare set sent and same happened. Real WACs were prized personal possessions NEVER lent out. If you truly have a digitised PNG WAC I would love a copy
Derated those Uni of Texas ONCs are VERY old.
Oh...and 'typos' on the enroute charts in PNG were ALWAYS a feature - every time a new one was issued a copy would be taped to the crew room wall and we would all stand around amending it with the true LSALTs, magnetic tracks, distances etc and then send it back to DCA. Never seemed to make a lot of difference.
When a new IAL procedure was issued we always flew it in clear air first - there were several over the years that would have resulted in CFIT had you trusted them straight out of the box
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those Uni of Texas ONCs are VERY old....
... but very new if you have nothing else!
As with everything, check the issue date and use with caution (guess the rocks and coast haven't changed much)
As with everything, check the issue date and use with caution (guess the rocks and coast haven't changed much)
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I still have all my ONCs purchased when I started with Dz in early 1990 though they are a bit worn. We mainly used TPCs but unfortunately most of those were destroyed after they fell to bits!
I once spoke to the owner of a map shop in Adelaide who informed me that ONCs of PNG which covered bits of Irian Jaya were unobtainable and on a 'restricted' list. I have no idea if this is still (or ever was) the case.
Me too!
DeRated; Can't get the link to work.
I once spoke to the owner of a map shop in Adelaide who informed me that ONCs of PNG which covered bits of Irian Jaya were unobtainable and on a 'restricted' list. I have no idea if this is still (or ever was) the case.
If you truly have a digitised PNG WAC I would love a copy
DeRated; Can't get the link to work.
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Seems like there is quite a bit of interest in this, in the interest of helping everyone out I will put the instructions and link up for all.
There is a little bit of work involved in making this work so hopefully you figure it out.
First you will need an App called LargeViewer, it's about $10 and is the only app that will make this work properly.
You will then need to download the image file. I don't want to publicly post the link to the file as it is not originally my material and don't want it downloaded by every man and his dog. Just message me with a quick message and I will give link if someone else doesn't.
This is the entire WAC for PNG in one image. I also have this same image split in two which are slightly higher resolution.. This one is still excellent however! (if you do decide you want these extra ones let me know and I will upload them)
Once you have the image and the app you can either put the image into LargeViewer through iTunes or upload it to a dropbox account which you can then link to the app and it will download it for you.
If you have trouble with either let me know and I will give you more detailed instructions.
Once this is all done launch the app and let it process the image - this could take a very long time just let it do its thing, it only needs to do it once. (mine took over 30mins)
You are now done, the app and image work seamlessly with instant zoom.
The app large viewer is vital to make this work properly and without not anywhere near as good.
Finally would really appreciate anyone who uses this set up to shoot me a quick message as I put a lot of work into getting it to work properly and really like to hear from people who get it working well
There is a little bit of work involved in making this work so hopefully you figure it out.
First you will need an App called LargeViewer, it's about $10 and is the only app that will make this work properly.
You will then need to download the image file. I don't want to publicly post the link to the file as it is not originally my material and don't want it downloaded by every man and his dog. Just message me with a quick message and I will give link if someone else doesn't.
This is the entire WAC for PNG in one image. I also have this same image split in two which are slightly higher resolution.. This one is still excellent however! (if you do decide you want these extra ones let me know and I will upload them)
Once you have the image and the app you can either put the image into LargeViewer through iTunes or upload it to a dropbox account which you can then link to the app and it will download it for you.
If you have trouble with either let me know and I will give you more detailed instructions.
Once this is all done launch the app and let it process the image - this could take a very long time just let it do its thing, it only needs to do it once. (mine took over 30mins)
You are now done, the app and image work seamlessly with instant zoom.
The app large viewer is vital to make this work properly and without not anywhere near as good.
Finally would really appreciate anyone who uses this set up to shoot me a quick message as I put a lot of work into getting it to work properly and really like to hear from people who get it working well
Grandpa Aerotart
MMM great work and its a nice chart...works well...but its an ONC not a WAC...and given the last WACs were printed in the late 70s its better than a WAC.
I still have all my old paper charts from my days in PNG...and even though its been almost 13 years since I left if I go back for a busmans holiday, which is in long term planning, I will dust em off and use them again. About all that I MAY need to do is hand amend a few Frequencies
I still have all my old paper charts from my days in PNG...and even though its been almost 13 years since I left if I go back for a busmans holiday, which is in long term planning, I will dust em off and use them again. About all that I MAY need to do is hand amend a few Frequencies
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I once spoke to the owner of a map shop in Adelaide who informed me that ONCs of PNG which covered bits of Irian Jaya were unobtainable and on a 'restricted' list. I have no idea if this is still (or ever was) the case.
Will post the results in due course.
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NOT MUCH LUCK
Having the same issues sourcing maps and charts.
1. The briefing office at domestic - Sold out.
2. ASL [Tower side of Jacksons] - Sold out. Got put on a distribution list, but that will only cover me for VTCs as they don't have the ONC/TPC or WAC charts Told to go to.....
3. The National Mapping BUREAU. Result - Sold out!! Certainly of all the useful on land ONCs... Next print 3 years according to the bloke I spoke to.
Best he could do was suggest someone from the Bendigo Army Barracks was printing copies. Haven't tried following that fruitless lead.
4. Googled a link that took me to the RAAF. Have put in an order, but don't fancy my chances. Bloody frustrating. Have any of the posters had any luck lately on this topic as it has been a while since the last post.
My Co has given me one of the A4 books, but they're pretty clumsy for navigation purposes.
1. The briefing office at domestic - Sold out.
2. ASL [Tower side of Jacksons] - Sold out. Got put on a distribution list, but that will only cover me for VTCs as they don't have the ONC/TPC or WAC charts
Told to go to.....3. The National Mapping BUREAU. Result - Sold out!!
Certainly of all the useful on land ONCs... Next print 3 years according to the bloke I spoke to.Best he could do was suggest someone from the Bendigo Army Barracks was printing copies. Haven't tried following that fruitless lead.
4. Googled a link that took me to the RAAF. Have put in an order, but don't fancy my chances. Bloody frustrating. Have any of the posters had any luck lately on this topic as it has been a while since the last post.
My Co has given me one of the A4 books, but they're pretty clumsy for navigation purposes.