Ansett and the Fokker Friendship
Dora,
All very true words, and I can personally confirm that some of these attitudes remained in the west until the F-28 was finally withdrawn from service. All very strange. It was like a space shuttle mission sometimes going from PER to KTA!!! The attitudes on the 146 fleet were so much more refreshing and in touch with reality!
b.
All very true words, and I can personally confirm that some of these attitudes remained in the west until the F-28 was finally withdrawn from service. All very strange. It was like a space shuttle mission sometimes going from PER to KTA!!! The attitudes on the 146 fleet were so much more refreshing and in touch with reality!
b.
Tinpis:
I don't think it slowed down that much for 1972 joiners - joining at the start of 1970, I checked out as a MEL-based F.27 captain in Jan 1979.
I don't think it slowed down that much for 1972 joiners - joining at the start of 1970, I checked out as a MEL-based F.27 captain in Jan 1979.
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Would have been a culture shock going back onto the Carvair?
When did AirNSW stop running the F-27 out to Broken Hill, as it makes the odd appearance in the TV series Flying Doctors?
When did AirNSW stop running the F-27 out to Broken Hill, as it makes the odd appearance in the TV series Flying Doctors?
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I do not know the date of the last WX SYD-BHQ F27. The last GJ ADL-BHQ
F27 was on 9 Mar 86 with FNP.
Your reference to The Flying Doctors remids me of an actor by the name of Steve Dodds who appeared a number of times in the series. Steve was employed by WX for a number of years as a tour guide for Charters in Central Australia.
I do not know the date of the last WX SYD-BHQ F27. The last GJ ADL-BHQ
F27 was on 9 Mar 86 with FNP.
Your reference to The Flying Doctors remids me of an actor by the name of Steve Dodds who appeared a number of times in the series. Steve was employed by WX for a number of years as a tour guide for Charters in Central Australia.
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I was fourteen years getting a command in Brissy.
I wouldn't move south.
My peers headed off to Sydney from Brisbane for a command in about ten to twelve years.
The blokes in Melbourne were out years before us, because many senior F.Os transferred to Melbouerne to get a command and then got back as soon as a slot became available in Brisbane for them.
Like Dora, I did roughly the same school and endorsement time and was on the line a week under four months from ground school.
I wouldn't move south.
My peers headed off to Sydney from Brisbane for a command in about ten to twelve years.
The blokes in Melbourne were out years before us, because many senior F.Os transferred to Melbouerne to get a command and then got back as soon as a slot became available in Brisbane for them.
Like Dora, I did roughly the same school and endorsement time and was on the line a week under four months from ground school.
Aircrusing Australia F-27 one was ex TAA
When did TAA/Australian Airlines put through the last intake of F-27 pilots?
Did TAA run F-27's on the Melbourne to Mildura route?
Did TAA run F-27's on the Melbourne to Mildura route?
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Melbourne - Mildura was always an Ansett route, never TAA.
Ahh...Overnights at the Grand Hotel in Mildura in the early 70's. Have fond memories of their homemade marmalade slathered over a slice of toast and consumed in the crew bus on the way to the a/p. Best marmalade in the world !!
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From distant and failing memory, we saw around 210 KTAS and cruised FL150-180.
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Stage length 100nm isa+10 FL115
150nm " FL145
200nm FL165
250nm FL180
300nm FL195
Speed VNE 254/234Kts
VNO 223Kts
VMCA 80Kts
Stall @20,000Kg 40deg flap 72Kts
Fuel Tot usable 8972Lbs
Planned @ 1300 Lbs/Hr
Norm cruise rate for planning 230Kts/1500Lbs/hr
Max BRWT 20,410Kg Max land wt 18,597Kg ( Various marks differed)
Regards......................
150nm " FL145
200nm FL165
250nm FL180
300nm FL195
Speed VNE 254/234Kts
VNO 223Kts
VMCA 80Kts
Stall @20,000Kg 40deg flap 72Kts
Fuel Tot usable 8972Lbs
Planned @ 1300 Lbs/Hr
Norm cruise rate for planning 230Kts/1500Lbs/hr
Max BRWT 20,410Kg Max land wt 18,597Kg ( Various marks differed)
Regards......................
Donder,
Dunno what model F.27 you're thinking about (although the 20,410 kgs BRW sounds very much like the -500 as what Ansett called "Mk.2's" were 19,731 kgs) but your figures sound very much like what Fokker's glossy brochure claimed.
I doubt I ever saw anything above 220 KTAS on a good day, and there's no way you'd get to FL 195 (even with the post-1982 climb thrust) unless it was a ferry.
Again this is from distant memory (frightening that I remember the 19,731 figure though) and I flew mainly the Mk.2 although did some time in the -500...
Dunno what model F.27 you're thinking about (although the 20,410 kgs BRW sounds very much like the -500 as what Ansett called "Mk.2's" were 19,731 kgs) but your figures sound very much like what Fokker's glossy brochure claimed.
I doubt I ever saw anything above 220 KTAS on a good day, and there's no way you'd get to FL 195 (even with the post-1982 climb thrust) unless it was a ferry.
Again this is from distant memory (frightening that I remember the 19,731 figure though) and I flew mainly the Mk.2 although did some time in the -500...
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We must have been on steroids in MMA.
Regularly and as a "requirement" FL 200 DRB-PER or PER-DRB on the schedule, took a little skill and daring so to speak and heavy usually.
220 Kts is my recolection as well, 5.5 hrs-6.0 hrs from my log book 1972 for those legs.
Good fun and good days, pity they have gone in the mess the industry is now.
Regularly and as a "requirement" FL 200 DRB-PER or PER-DRB on the schedule, took a little skill and daring so to speak and heavy usually.
220 Kts is my recolection as well, 5.5 hrs-6.0 hrs from my log book 1972 for those legs.
Good fun and good days, pity they have gone in the mess the industry is now.
Hi Greybeard!
I seem to recall, though I never operated this sector, that the PER-DRB FL200 requirement wasn't performance related. Something to do with rated coverages perhaps? It must have been a struggle...
I seem to recall, though I never operated this sector, that the PER-DRB FL200 requirement wasn't performance related. Something to do with rated coverages perhaps? It must have been a struggle...