Ansett and the Fokker Friendship
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No Dora-9, just interested in the way the various companies went about operating the aircraft and how they achieved that through SOPS and C&T standards.
Did the F-27's have an autopilot?
Did the F-27's have an autopilot?
Yes they called it an Auto-pilot but we called it 'The Hi-Jack Box'. Its real name on the 200 was the AL30-J. The 500 series had a better system. The AL30-J had a mind of its own and would do its own thing at times.
From my archives, an Ansett F27 VH-FNT flight at MEL including an engine shutdown, circa 1980-81.
Note: this is a replacement YT video, changing the title. I've removed the original one I posted.
Note: this is a replacement YT video, changing the title. I've removed the original one I posted.
Last edited by Capn Bloggs; 10th Jan 2011 at 02:50. Reason: Changed the flight details after they were provided by Dora-9 below.
Bloggs that video is bloody fantastic. Anything similar please try and put it on youtube, stuff like that will be forever lost if it's not placed on places like youtube.
Because the net wasn't as big back before Ansett died there is very little video footage available of Ansett aircraft. Keep the memory alive - oh that noise of the screaming darts !!
Because the net wasn't as big back before Ansett died there is very little video footage available of Ansett aircraft. Keep the memory alive - oh that noise of the screaming darts !!
Bloggs, you are a total star! That's a fantastic clip - and the noises bring a tingle to the spine!
Thanks indeed for posting this.
Just a thought - whatever happened to the practice of arriving at the bay with the left engine (prop) stopped? Quite tricky given that parking at Melbourne usually involved an acute right turn at the last bit. And yes, I've come unstuck trying to be a smart-arse - visions of the engineer, still clutching his marshalling bats, rolling around on the ground laughing hysterically....
Thanks indeed for posting this.
Just a thought - whatever happened to the practice of arriving at the bay with the left engine (prop) stopped? Quite tricky given that parking at Melbourne usually involved an acute right turn at the last bit. And yes, I've come unstuck trying to be a smart-arse - visions of the engineer, still clutching his marshalling bats, rolling around on the ground laughing hysterically....
And another thing Bloggs, I rather doubt that it was a training flight as the team are in uniform (Base Training was conducted wearing civvies, at least when I was on type - I left at the end of 1983).
Fantastic viewing.
Cheers.
Fantastic viewing.
Cheers.
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Surely that video has to be earlier than 86 ? I can't recall whether any of the Mouse fleet was still in the old livery but I would bet that there were no 727s which hadn't been repainted to the blue scheme ? Donder would have been checking on the Mouse around that time so he probably will recall ?
Also, by that time, everyone had more gold bars than you could poke a stick at ...
So far as autopilots go, In the mid-70s (Melbourne) we had a mix of AL30 and SEP2, respectively useless and real fine. I can recall an asy session wherein we played with a series of engine shutdowns/relights on the SEP2 and it didn't even look like deviating from heading. Only a brave man would try something like that with the other system.
Also, by that time, everyone had more gold bars than you could poke a stick at ...
So far as autopilots go, In the mid-70s (Melbourne) we had a mix of AL30 and SEP2, respectively useless and real fine. I can recall an asy session wherein we played with a series of engine shutdowns/relights on the SEP2 and it didn't even look like deviating from heading. Only a brave man would try something like that with the other system.
Well spotted john tullamarine!
While musing over the Capn Bloggs video and the improbability of shutting down engines on a line flight (the crew are in uniform after all), I realized that I recognized one of the voices.
I can now confirm the who/when/why. The video is mis-titled in that the session took place in 1980 or 1981 and was filmed by Rohan Craddock (his father was then a B727 captain; while Rohan was the Ansett visual media man). The pilots are, on the left the then Flight Capt (KP) and on the right the Asst Flight Capt (KW) – the three gold bars are correct for that period. The flight was specifically for filming purposes and was intended as part of a training film, though at the time this never saw the light of day.
While musing over the Capn Bloggs video and the improbability of shutting down engines on a line flight (the crew are in uniform after all), I realized that I recognized one of the voices.
I can now confirm the who/when/why. The video is mis-titled in that the session took place in 1980 or 1981 and was filmed by Rohan Craddock (his father was then a B727 captain; while Rohan was the Ansett visual media man). The pilots are, on the left the then Flight Capt (KP) and on the right the Asst Flight Capt (KW) – the three gold bars are correct for that period. The flight was specifically for filming purposes and was intended as part of a training film, though at the time this never saw the light of day.
Someone may have already mentioned it earlier, but for those who wish to reminisce in the flesh, there is an F27 (VH-CAT) in the South Australian Aviation Museum (SAAM South Australian Aviation Museum. Pt Adelaide) at Port Adelaide.
Lovely video Bloggs! The soundtrack stirs a few childhood memories in me.
Lovely video Bloggs! The soundtrack stirs a few childhood memories in me.
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The Queensland Air Museum at Caloundra are restoring VH-FNQ (also registered VH-WAN). That aircraft was delivered to Ansett ANA in 1966....imagine the stories it could tell in it's 45 years.
Bloggs,
There's a lot of hissing and puffing and whoofing in that video.
I assume that's the pneumatics at work?
I also assume that the pumps must therefore be pretty close to the cockpit?
There's a lot of hissing and puffing and whoofing in that video.
I assume that's the pneumatics at work?
I also assume that the pumps must therefore be pretty close to the cockpit?
Pneumatics all in a compartment immediately behind the LH seat (formed part of the cockpit bulkhead). Lots of hissing!
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I assume that's the pneumatics at work?
I also assume that the pumps must therefore be pretty close to the cockpit?
I also assume that the pumps must therefore be pretty close to the cockpit?