Finishing of CPL, single or multi?
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Finishing of CPL, single or multi?
Hey Guys,
I have about 100 hours to go until I can take my CPL test. When I get my licence Im planning on living up at the top end until I get my first job. I am considering doing my remaining 100 hrs in a twin to become more 'employable' and am wondering if the extra cost is worth it since GA is a game of luck and timing. If that's the case then it doesn't really matter what your hours are.
What are thoughts on this? Should I do multi or just stick with single? Does it really matter?
I have about 100 hours to go until I can take my CPL test. When I get my licence Im planning on living up at the top end until I get my first job. I am considering doing my remaining 100 hrs in a twin to become more 'employable' and am wondering if the extra cost is worth it since GA is a game of luck and timing. If that's the case then it doesn't really matter what your hours are.
What are thoughts on this? Should I do multi or just stick with single? Does it really matter?
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Single, more specifically a C2XX.
Finishing in a twin is not only more expensive and complex, but not necessarily directly relevant to that first job. If you're willing to spend the extra coin, put it towards time in a 200 series Cessna.
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Finishing in a twin is not only more expensive and complex, but not necessarily directly relevant to that first job. If you're willing to spend the extra coin, put it towards time in a 200 series Cessna.
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Aren't there adverts on here and in Australian Flying for a school that "finishes" you on a C206?
I would have thought that was pretty relevant to a first job
I would have thought that was pretty relevant to a first job
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I beg to differ. If you've got the coin I'd look at the twin option. Even though it may not help immediately (although I imagine that an employer would reckon that if you can handle two donks you can handle their C210) it will likely help down the road.
If money is at all an issue go for the C2XX option though and put that extra money towards groceries whilst looking for a job.
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If money is at all an issue go for the C2XX option though and put that extra money towards groceries whilst looking for a job.
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I headed North many years ago with 100 twin hours in my logbook, can't say it helped me get my first job, but sure did help me get a twin job fairly quickly and also my first RPT gig too!
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Disclaimer: The following is based on anecdotal information and may not be the same experience of others.
The twin hours probably wont help you getting that first job but they certainly do help you cross into the twin work. Most of the guys you'll be up against will only have 182 time anyway. Can I suggest doing it in a useful twin though, consider a Travel air. It has 6 seats and flies like a bonanza, it handles more like a big single than a 182 or a seminole does. Plus it covers you for a be55 which is the most likely twin to be your first.
The twin hours probably wont help you getting that first job but they certainly do help you cross into the twin work. Most of the guys you'll be up against will only have 182 time anyway. Can I suggest doing it in a useful twin though, consider a Travel air. It has 6 seats and flies like a bonanza, it handles more like a big single than a 182 or a seminole does. Plus it covers you for a be55 which is the most likely twin to be your first.
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From a guy who in another thread was requesting tips for his CPL flight test. I'm requesting clarification as to how you think you are qualified to make the above statement as a PPL? Please don't say your Instructor...
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Finishing in a twin is not only more expensive and complex, but not necessarily directly relevant to that first job. If you're willing to spend the extra coin, put it towards time in a 200 series Cessna.
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I did my flying training with the great John Eglan of Queensland Aviation Services 2002-2003, his recommendation to me was to do the last 20hrs of CPL training in a twin (in my case, I did it in a PA34).
Next up was the CMEIR, he recommended 20hrs in a C172 to get the basics down patt, then finish the training and rating in the twin.
Everyone told me they were just trying to generate more money for themselves, but Johns reasoning was spot on and couldn't have been better for me. He said, every single twin hour will help me gain that first job and especially entry into the multi world.
Sure enough after just 200hrs of glider towing, I got my first start in the charter world flying a mixture of PA32's and C310's! From there it was a fun ride to the turbo-prop and jet RPT world!
So if money is no issue for you, go for the twin option (but make it a useful one!)..
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Next up was the CMEIR, he recommended 20hrs in a C172 to get the basics down patt, then finish the training and rating in the twin.
Everyone told me they were just trying to generate more money for themselves, but Johns reasoning was spot on and couldn't have been better for me. He said, every single twin hour will help me gain that first job and especially entry into the multi world.
Sure enough after just 200hrs of glider towing, I got my first start in the charter world flying a mixture of PA32's and C310's! From there it was a fun ride to the turbo-prop and jet RPT world!
So if money is no issue for you, go for the twin option (but make it a useful one!)..
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Stick to the knitting, get yourself proficent in a realitivly complex single, and complete your CPL to a high standard.
If coin isn't an issue, spend it on the twin flying once you have your CPL and a good basic flying skill set, preferably with your future employer if thats an option.
At 200 total time, you won't meet the insurance requirements for a twin job, not matter how much of your total time is in a twin.
Just my 2 cents worth.
If coin isn't an issue, spend it on the twin flying once you have your CPL and a good basic flying skill set, preferably with your future employer if thats an option.
At 200 total time, you won't meet the insurance requirements for a twin job, not matter how much of your total time is in a twin.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Imho I would be just sticking to the 200 series.
As previously mentioned if money isnt a problem, sure why not get your initial issue twin endo and do some fly aways to build up some command time in it. Something useful that companies operate would be wise, BE55/58 (Travelair would be cheaper and covers the endo), P68 are still used by a few companies as well and where ever you fly will take longer which equals more hours!
And unless you have a lot of friends who are willing to help subsidize trips in a PA31 (and you find a company who will let you private hire one more to the point) I wouldnt worry about that.
I probably wouldnt pay to do any of your CPL nav exercises in the twin as you will get plenty of that doing your MECIR and the dual multi time isnt exactly useful, which brings me to my next point. Id probably look at saving your money to do an Instructors rating or your MECIR.
Realistically you will 99 times out of 100 find yourself in a 200 series Cessna or something comparable to start out up north and if you are with the right company progression will start after around 12months, possibly sooner since things are looking to be moving again.
I wouldnt stress too much about the twin time yet unless you have money to burn, it all comes with time. Good luck with whatever you choose to do and with your future in aviation.
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As previously mentioned if money isnt a problem, sure why not get your initial issue twin endo and do some fly aways to build up some command time in it. Something useful that companies operate would be wise, BE55/58 (Travelair would be cheaper and covers the endo), P68 are still used by a few companies as well and where ever you fly will take longer which equals more hours!
And unless you have a lot of friends who are willing to help subsidize trips in a PA31 (and you find a company who will let you private hire one more to the point) I wouldnt worry about that. I probably wouldnt pay to do any of your CPL nav exercises in the twin as you will get plenty of that doing your MECIR and the dual multi time isnt exactly useful, which brings me to my next point. Id probably look at saving your money to do an Instructors rating or your MECIR.
Realistically you will 99 times out of 100 find yourself in a 200 series Cessna or something comparable to start out up north and if you are with the right company progression will start after around 12months, possibly sooner since things are looking to be moving again.
I wouldnt stress too much about the twin time yet unless you have money to burn, it all comes with time. Good luck with whatever you choose to do and with your future in aviation.
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From a guy who in another thread was requesting tips for his CPL flight test. I'm requesting clarification as to how you think you are qualified to make the above statement as a PPL? Please don't say your Instructor...
Thanks for picking me up on that and "Requesting clarification"
. Being at CPL test stage means I know sweet 
all about the above mentioned, right? It also means I know sweet all anything to do with GA and didn't consider doing the exact same thing (CPL in a twin), receiving countless pieces of invaluable advice from guys in the know? Question is, based on the general consensus of the thread, was my advice wrong or irrational?
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Being at CPL test stage means I know sweet 
all about the above mentioned, right?
all about the above mentioned, right?
It also means I know sweet all anything to do with GA and didn't consider doing the exact same thing (CPL in a twin), receiving countless pieces of invaluable advice from guys in the know?
all anything to do with GA and didn't consider doing the exact same thing (CPL in a twin), receiving countless pieces of invaluable advice from guys in the know?
Question is, based on the general consensus of the thread, was my advice wrong or irrational?
Who's leading whom?
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Rod,
Just for the record (you young guys get so angry when questioned), your advice was wrong or correct, depending on who's answer you read. Myself personally, I finished the last 20 hours of CPL in a twin, and it helped...but hey what would I know, I've only BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT!
Ah so you do see where I'm coming from then...
And Roxy,
I don't take my frustration out on the young ones because I missed the 'mark'. I just kick the dog...
j3
Just for the record (you young guys get so angry when questioned), your advice was wrong or correct, depending on who's answer you read. Myself personally, I finished the last 20 hours of CPL in a twin, and it helped...but hey what would I know, I've only BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT!
Being at CPL test stage means I know sweet all about the above mentioned, right? It also means I know sweet all anything to do with GA
And Roxy,
I don't take my frustration out on the young ones because I missed the 'mark'. I just kick the dog...
j3
Last edited by j3pipercub; 9th Mar 2010 at 14:41. Reason: edited to be less vitriolic
At 200 total time, you won't meet the insurance requirements for a twin job, not matter how much of your total time is in a twin.
It would be the exception, rather then the rule, but I have seen a sub 400hr pilot with over 200 hrs in Barons employed to fly just that. Envious? Yes I would have been at his level, but good on him!
For the record, I did my CPL multi and at that time, probably wouldn't have had as much benefit as in the current climate, but these days, pilots are progressing onto multis at 500TT, not 1000.
The sooner you get into the multi hours, the sooner you will meet any insurance requirements, which in any case are able to me modified for the right person. (Just like car insurance, you simply get the individual pilot approved, albeit with the possibility of an excess increase.)
