Another L@zer W@nker Busted
It's obvious that such people who do things like this simply do not understand the possible repercussions. 99% of people wouldn't hold a loaded gun to someones face with just one round in the chamber & pull the trigger, lazering could have the same end result & the reason why most wouldn't even think about it is we are mostly educated not to do such stunts. It's all about education I believe, trouble is we don't have that level of education anymore at school level where young good decent people are shaped into young law abiding adults. The kids have all the rights now, as John Laws used to say, the bloody 'snivel libertarians'
Sure we need deterrents like incarceration etc. otherwise chaos would reign in our society but our laws in general are a joke, there in lies the real problem, not the misguided fool behind the laser.The fact that he/she believes that it's fun, brave to do so (in his peers eyes) & with little chance of being caught & punished is something that would be almost impossible to deal with. Think about it. The world leaders (western world) where all most likely handed out discipline as a child by way of smacks etc they now rule a world where they are losing control but gee what will the next generation of leaders be like? They would have come from a society that is soft, allowed to get away with far too much, these new leaders of the future shall lead by example that's way out of control. God 'elp the next generation.!
I've seen the result of a drunk drivers actions many a times, what does that 'killer' get?.....we all know very little at times purely because we are weak at the other end of the deterrent 'stick'
Off the track I guess but the real story here is not the fool who does this but how do we stop it & educate such people? This event will happen again for sure & we shall be right back here again saying the same things, it's now unfixable, we have lost control.
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Sure we need deterrents like incarceration etc. otherwise chaos would reign in our society but our laws in general are a joke, there in lies the real problem, not the misguided fool behind the laser.The fact that he/she believes that it's fun, brave to do so (in his peers eyes) & with little chance of being caught & punished is something that would be almost impossible to deal with. Think about it. The world leaders (western world) where all most likely handed out discipline as a child by way of smacks etc they now rule a world where they are losing control but gee what will the next generation of leaders be like? They would have come from a society that is soft, allowed to get away with far too much, these new leaders of the future shall lead by example that's way out of control. God 'elp the next generation.!
I've seen the result of a drunk drivers actions many a times, what does that 'killer' get?.....we all know very little at times purely because we are weak at the other end of the deterrent 'stick'
Off the track I guess but the real story here is not the fool who does this but how do we stop it & educate such people? This event will happen again for sure & we shall be right back here again saying the same things, it's now unfixable, we have lost control.
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Was at the Speedway on Sat night in darwin and saw a plane on base/approach get lit up by a green laser, im guessing the plane would of been at around 700' and the beam was probably about 50-70cm in diameter so im guessing it was a pretty intense one, not sure if the pilots saw it...was going to call the police to report it but there is no way i could of done it there and then as it was way too noisy. it looked like it came from the Berrimah industrial area and was just wondering by the slim chance the pilots or pax might read this and mght have noticed it or know if it was reported. I do know that if i was on approach and either as operating crew or pax and had it happen to me then i would want the culprits tied to a stake a stoned!! If the persons doing it read this then your a bloody idiot!
gav i was on my way home from work on tiger brennan and saw it too. i don't think the cockpit got hit as i was listening to my scanner and they didn't report it. can't remember the rego to save my life though
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yeah it looked like the wing and rear left of the hull, i thought i might have imagined it but im glad u can back me up on it to prove i didnt have any marbles rolling around just yet! i think it was around 2310-2320hrs
CSD, There are other forms of punishment. Persoanlly I'd prefer to see them put through a proper diversionary program with the aim of stopping anit-social or criminal behaviour than banged up where they will quite likely come out worse. Maybe you see it as soft but I see it as overall more beneficial for society.
And yes, I absolutely understand how serious it is.
And yes, I absolutely understand how serious it is.
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In the olden days there was 'nasho".
Most eighteen or maybe it was twenty year olds had to do National Service in one of the armed forces.
Mummie's little prince who found it hard to get up in the morning when mummie came in and murmured, "Sweetie! time to get up", had no difficulty in leaping out of bed on his second day in Nasho.
It wasn't the big black sargeant but the pride of being one of the unit that had the little princes obeying and even ... polishing his boots to a mirror like shine... Everyone did it.
If some smart arse wanted to rock the ship and not be part of the team it only took a day or two, to sort him out.
Wasn't the sargeant who did it; it was his mates. He was causing them grief and they weren't going to cop it over his rebellion.
After Nasho, the' James Deans' were very different. They were tidy, polite and proud of themselves.
Of course, these days we can't have mummy's and daddie's little princes turned into baby killers.
BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE.
It'll curb the smart arses and give them some real pride in THEMSELVES... not their grafitti, hooning, or bludging.
Like the cane... that gave the heros the opportunity to show disdain for pain and earn the respect of their peers. The cowards remained good so they wouldn't give away their sookiness. The admirers knew the pain the victim was feeling.
Every one was satisfied.
Victim... he'd proved he was tough.
Teacher... had quickly dealt out justice and didn't feel powerless or 'have one put over him' and the lesson continued immediately.
Goody two shoes... bad are punished.
I've only met one bloke who didn't feel that all was fair in the corporal punishment stakes of our 'bad old days'.
All the 'victims' reckoned they deserved it and could have avoided the cuts, but it was more fun proving teenage toughtness.
Most eighteen or maybe it was twenty year olds had to do National Service in one of the armed forces.
Mummie's little prince who found it hard to get up in the morning when mummie came in and murmured, "Sweetie! time to get up", had no difficulty in leaping out of bed on his second day in Nasho.
It wasn't the big black sargeant but the pride of being one of the unit that had the little princes obeying and even ... polishing his boots to a mirror like shine... Everyone did it.
If some smart arse wanted to rock the ship and not be part of the team it only took a day or two, to sort him out.
Wasn't the sargeant who did it; it was his mates. He was causing them grief and they weren't going to cop it over his rebellion.
After Nasho, the' James Deans' were very different. They were tidy, polite and proud of themselves.
Of course, these days we can't have mummy's and daddie's little princes turned into baby killers.
BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE.
It'll curb the smart arses and give them some real pride in THEMSELVES... not their grafitti, hooning, or bludging.
Like the cane... that gave the heros the opportunity to show disdain for pain and earn the respect of their peers. The cowards remained good so they wouldn't give away their sookiness. The admirers knew the pain the victim was feeling.
Every one was satisfied.
Victim... he'd proved he was tough.
Teacher... had quickly dealt out justice and didn't feel powerless or 'have one put over him' and the lesson continued immediately.
Goody two shoes... bad are punished.
I've only met one bloke who didn't feel that all was fair in the corporal punishment stakes of our 'bad old days'.
All the 'victims' reckoned they deserved it and could have avoided the cuts, but it was more fun proving teenage toughtness.
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BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE.
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Trouble is, the ADF don't want them. These days they want good kids (and adults) with a proven track record. Most of the ferals wouldn't pass the fitness test.
However I think the ADF's objection would be more of a financial one. Remember, the ADF does what's its told by the government of the day. Bringing back National Service now would require massive funding. The ADF just couldn't do it within their present budget without basically shutting down their present operational activities.
Nevertheless I would support the return of a National Service if it were adequately funded. However I don't think there's the support for it from the general populace, and therefore no votes in it.
Persoanlly I'd prefer to see them put through a proper diversionary program with the aim of stopping anit-social or criminal behaviour than banged up where they will quite likely come out worse.
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However I think the ADF's objection would be more of a financial one. Remember, the ADF does what's its told by the government of the day. Bringing back National Service now would require massive funding. The ADF just couldn't do it within their present budget without basically shutting down their present operational activities.
Nevertheless I would support the return of a National Service if it were adequately funded. However I don't think there's the support for it from the general populace, and therefore no votes in it.
That's right!
Perhaps the unemployment benefit could be paid straight into the ADF's coffers like many retirement villager's pensions go to the retirement village.
Naturally mummy and daddy wouldn't want their little darlin's going into Nasho and would vote against it if they could.
Do we ever get the opportunity to vote against poly and judges payrises... NA because all the political teams are all for payrises.
Wonder if we could get them to all vote for National service. It's not the punishment but the natural pride and cohesiveness guys get in being part of a unit.
We've become too independent and think we have have unjustifiable rights.
Nevertheless I would support the return of a National Service if it were adequately funded. However I don't think there's the support for it from the general populace, and therefore no votes in it.
That's right!
Perhaps the unemployment benefit could be paid straight into the ADF's coffers like many retirement villager's pensions go to the retirement village.
Naturally mummy and daddy wouldn't want their little darlin's going into Nasho and would vote against it if they could.
Do we ever get the opportunity to vote against poly and judges payrises... NA because all the political teams are all for payrises.
Wonder if we could get them to all vote for National service. It's not the punishment but the natural pride and cohesiveness guys get in being part of a unit.
We've become too independent and think we have have unjustifiable rights.
I understand where you're coming from. This is the approach the Australian judicial system has been using for many years now and it should work. But I don't think it has. In my opinion an increasing number of Australians would support an tougher approach to punishment of criminals across the board.
It costs something like $60,000 per year to keep a prisoner in Victoria - p!ssing money up against the wall if they come out worse isn't it? That's where I just shake my head.
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CSD, There are other forms of punishment. Persoanlly I'd prefer to see them put through a proper diversionary program with the aim of stopping anit-social or criminal behaviour than banged up where they will quite likely come out worse. Maybe you see it as soft but I see it as overall more beneficial for society.
And yes, I absolutely understand how serious it is.
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I totally agree and having been lazered on an ILS 3 times, on a Vis app twice over Altona, twice on vis app into BK, been "spotlighted" circling into a black hole strip, cars shine their high beams and flash me on short final into another black hole strip and FINALLY having had fireworks shot at me over Cranburn I'd say I've copped enough of it to have a good say on the matter.
Most of the time its "kids" being dickheads also considering the cost and only avenues of access to these devices they're not coming from "bad" homes. I cant see the point in me paying for them to be "punished" when as you said its only promoting worse behaviour and grooming an idiot into a hardened criminal.
I would much rather see them forced to pay large sums of money (garnished) and X amount of community service. Perhaps clearing birds at the airport? An exercise in punishment and education, 2 birds with 1 stone?
CSD, There are other forms of punishment. Persoanlly I'd prefer to see them put through a proper diversionary program with the aim of stopping anit-social or criminal behaviour than banged up where they will quite likely come out worse. Maybe you see it as soft but I see it as overall more beneficial for society.
And yes, I absolutely understand how serious it is.
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I totally agree and having been lazered on an ILS 3 times, on a Vis app twice over Altona, twice on vis app into BK, been "spotlighted" circling into a black hole strip, cars shine their high beams and flash me on short final into another black hole strip and FINALLY having had fireworks shot at me over Cranburn I'd say I've copped enough of it to have a good say on the matter.
Most of the time its "kids" being dickheads also considering the cost and only avenues of access to these devices they're not coming from "bad" homes. I cant see the point in me paying for them to be "punished" when as you said its only promoting worse behaviour and grooming an idiot into a hardened criminal.
I would much rather see them forced to pay large sums of money (garnished) and X amount of community service. Perhaps clearing birds at the airport? An exercise in punishment and education, 2 birds with 1 stone?
Got lasered tonight and using my GPS I'm damned sure it was coming from the park below.
plenty vic - Google Maps
Melbourne centre informed but anyone live in Melbourne wanna head around there, it was only about an hour ago!
Info passed on to the AFP now, so don't take baseball bats
plenty vic - Google Maps
Melbourne centre informed but anyone live in Melbourne wanna head around there, it was only about an hour ago!
Info passed on to the AFP now, so don't take baseball bats
These *#$@idiots belong in the same category as those *&^%imbeciles who throw rocks/beer bottles/bricks/anything they can get their hands on, at vehicles from the overhead pedestrain bridges on the freeway.....
We've had a spate of them in Perth lately. The latest is a 14/15 yr old looking down the 'barrel' of 7yrs......that's IF the 'beak' has any balls to deal with him and frighten him!
Bah Humbug!!
We've had a spate of them in Perth lately. The latest is a 14/15 yr old looking down the 'barrel' of 7yrs......that's IF the 'beak' has any balls to deal with him and frighten him!
Bah Humbug!!
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It's interesting they take a lazer "Attack" so seriously yet aren't interested when an Aircraft gets shot at and hit (Two metres behind the pilot). Police said "Nothing we can do", CASA said "We used to get that all the time in Vietnam". How's that for a caring response from both?
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It's interesting they take a l@ser "Attack" so seriously yet aren't interested when an Aircraft gets shot at and hit (Two metres behind the pilot). Police said "Nothing we can do", CASA said "We used to get that all the time in Vietnam". How's that for a caring response from both?
If you are talking about a firearm as in a gun or rifle, there are definitely penalties involved, assuming that they know who did it. If they didn't know who did it, well there's not much you can do.
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Forgive the cynic in me but that does sound a little hard to believe.
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Gregory was fined and had no conviction recorded. What a load of ****
Learner pilot 'endangered life' with laser beam prank
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but incarceration is the most expensive option & you risk turning an idiot into a idiot with even more criminal tendencies
And that's worth the cash. I'm sure they could do it better but not using gaol is not an option.