ADS-B, Stuff that I have found.
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This would send most flying schools to the wall, politics aside it is a dumb decision for aircraft that mostly fly in defined training areas and as I have often said before the croppies will rightfully be up in arms.
A very bloody silly outcome being influenced by crazy do gooders with a strange agenda that is unjustified on any rational measure.
A very bloody silly outcome being influenced by crazy do gooders with a strange agenda that is unjustified on any rational measure.
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The shopping list just gets more and more interesting every quarter. Garmin with the 500 gear. Aspen certainly had the early march for what I thought was solid gear...problems?
I reckon garmin could see they were getting outflanked in the lower end of the market. lot of potential sales
There will be more announcments over the next week...you can bet on it
I reckon garmin could see they were getting outflanked in the lower end of the market. lot of potential sales
There will be more announcments over the next week...you can bet on it
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Oh dear me..this is what the industry association thinks about ADS-B-
IATA User Requirments forAir Traffic Services note=IATA have updated to edition 2
Nice little read. EDIT- as of 31/05/2012 links dead 
IATA User Requirments forAir Traffic Services note=IATA have updated to edition 2
Nice little read.
EDIT- as of 31/05/2012 links dead
Dear Reader,
There are times when airlines are taken by surprise from announcements of new equipment for air traffic control being purchased that, as far as airlines are concerned, holds little promise of benefit. In most of these cases, airlines and other airspace users were not consulted during the planning process and the technology was bound to disappoint.
Such misadventures are costly to everyone and are a waste of scarce funding. Regrettably, such undesirable situations continue to occur today, when waste can be ill afforded by the air transport industry.On the other hand, successful procurement projects are invariably associated with a planning and consultation process that draws upon input from representatives of the airspace users, as well as equipment manufacturers and neighbouring States. Such planning also helps airlines schedule their own investments in aircraft technology to work in synch with new air navigation services equipment, leading to clear operational benefits. Based on a thorough understanding of airspace user requirements and capabilities, these projects are far more successful in providing much-needed benefits to airspace users in terms of increased safety, on-schedule operations and cost efficiency.
We have prepared this report to offer a better understanding of international airlines’ requirements and capabilities for communications, navigation, surveillance and air traffic management.
Best regards,
There are times when airlines are taken by surprise from announcements of new equipment for air traffic control being purchased that, as far as airlines are concerned, holds little promise of benefit. In most of these cases, airlines and other airspace users were not consulted during the planning process and the technology was bound to disappoint.
Such misadventures are costly to everyone and are a waste of scarce funding. Regrettably, such undesirable situations continue to occur today, when waste can be ill afforded by the air transport industry.On the other hand, successful procurement projects are invariably associated with a planning and consultation process that draws upon input from representatives of the airspace users, as well as equipment manufacturers and neighbouring States. Such planning also helps airlines schedule their own investments in aircraft technology to work in synch with new air navigation services equipment, leading to clear operational benefits. Based on a thorough understanding of airspace user requirements and capabilities, these projects are far more successful in providing much-needed benefits to airspace users in terms of increased safety, on-schedule operations and cost efficiency.
We have prepared this report to offer a better understanding of international airlines’ requirements and capabilities for communications, navigation, surveillance and air traffic management.
Best regards,
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Interesting to see IATAs position on ADSB.
Basically IATA sees ADS-B ES as the future surveilance system of choice, with widespread fitment ADS-B IN in aircraft. They do not support the introduction of VDL or UAT.
Surveillance based primarily on Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast (ADS-B) and when required supplemented with Multilateration (MLAT) as the next generation replacement to radar. Additionally, Automatic Dependent Surveillance Contract (ADS-C) should be the common means of surveillance in oceanic airspace.
Any comments LeadSled? Dick Smith?
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Visual Acquisition of Traffic
I think this has been posted before somewhere. It is worth noting the fitment of a Cockpit display of Taffic Information enhances the interaction between pilot and ATC, reduces frequency congestion and enhances visual acquisition of targets.
Rather topical when considering the beating we are coping over IRP and undetected traffic resulting in mid-air collisions
I think this has been posted before somewhere. It is worth noting the fitment of a Cockpit display of Taffic Information enhances the interaction between pilot and ATC, reduces frequency congestion and enhances visual acquisition of targets.
As airspace congestion increases, controllers and pilots will continue to share precise and detailed traffic information to ensure safety. To accommodate this process, new technologies such as CDTI are being introduced to aid pilots in the detection, and visual acquisition of other aircraft. As these technologies are certified and made operational, the roles and responsibilities of pilots and controllers who use them will inevitably change.
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Francis....this is a FAA study.
IRP getting more congested around BK and PF? Earth to Francis?
Are we now going to say that studies conducted in the US have no bearing on Australian issues?.....all ears buddy
IRP getting more congested around BK and PF? Earth to Francis?Are we now going to say that studies conducted in the US have no bearing on Australian issues?.....all ears buddy
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Rather topical when considering the beating we are coping over IRP and undetected traffic resulting in mid-air collisions
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Francis. Your team want to bring in random entry into a US FAA style class D aerodrome...I am (In essence
) suggesting a means and a study to back up the technology to enable your dream and you knock it??????
Horse to water
) suggesting a means and a study to back up the technology to enable your dream and you knock it??????Horse to water
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What was the thread title again?
You bring up the idea that airspace is congested in some study, and this somehow relates to Australia, which it obviously doesn't, and in particular the concept of ADSB should be mentioned to highlight IRP's vs
and I am exactly "knocking" what?
You bring up the idea that airspace is congested in some study, and this somehow relates to Australia, which it obviously doesn't, and in particular the concept of ADSB should be mentioned to highlight IRP's vs
random entry into a US FAA style class D aerodrome
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ADS-B up and running in the Gulf
From Avweb Today.
ADS-B Up And Running In The Gulf
By Mary Grady, Contributing editor
Houston air traffic controllers now are beginning to use the satellite-based Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system to more efficiently and safely separate and manage aircraft flying over the Gulf of Mexico, where radar can't reach, the FAA said on Tuesday. "This is a significant, early step toward NextGen," said FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt, in a press conference at the Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center. "We're delivering, on time, a system that's not only more accurate than radar but comes with significant safety and efficiency benefits. This will save time and money for aircraft operators and passengers and reduce our carbon footprint." Previously, controllers had to rely on an aircraft's estimated or reported -- not actual -- position. About 5,000 to 9,000 helicopter operations to and from oil platforms take place every day in the Gulf. Under IFR at low altitudes the helicopters were isolated within 20-mile-square boxes to ensure safe separation from other aircraft. Commercial aircraft in the non-radar airspace were separated by as much as 120 miles.
Aircraft equipped with ADS-B in the region will now know where they are in relation to bad weather and will receive en route flight information including Notams and TFRs, the FAA said. Controllers now can safely reduce the separation between ADS-B-equipped aircraft to 5 nautical miles. The new technology will also allow the FAA to provide new, more direct routes over the Gulf of Mexico, improving the efficiency of aircraft operations while using less fuel. A network of ground stations was deployed on oil platforms and the surrounding shoreline, bringing satellite-based surveillance to an area with almost as much daily air traffic as the northeast corridor. Controllers in Philadelphia will begin using ADS-B in February and the system will become operational in Juneau in April. ADS-B is expected to be available nationwide by 2013.
From Avweb Today.
ADS-B Up And Running In The Gulf
By Mary Grady, Contributing editor
Houston air traffic controllers now are beginning to use the satellite-based Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system to more efficiently and safely separate and manage aircraft flying over the Gulf of Mexico, where radar can't reach, the FAA said on Tuesday. "This is a significant, early step toward NextGen," said FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt, in a press conference at the Houston Air Route Traffic Control Center. "We're delivering, on time, a system that's not only more accurate than radar but comes with significant safety and efficiency benefits. This will save time and money for aircraft operators and passengers and reduce our carbon footprint." Previously, controllers had to rely on an aircraft's estimated or reported -- not actual -- position. About 5,000 to 9,000 helicopter operations to and from oil platforms take place every day in the Gulf. Under IFR at low altitudes the helicopters were isolated within 20-mile-square boxes to ensure safe separation from other aircraft. Commercial aircraft in the non-radar airspace were separated by as much as 120 miles.
Aircraft equipped with ADS-B in the region will now know where they are in relation to bad weather and will receive en route flight information including Notams and TFRs, the FAA said. Controllers now can safely reduce the separation between ADS-B-equipped aircraft to 5 nautical miles. The new technology will also allow the FAA to provide new, more direct routes over the Gulf of Mexico, improving the efficiency of aircraft operations while using less fuel. A network of ground stations was deployed on oil platforms and the surrounding shoreline, bringing satellite-based surveillance to an area with almost as much daily air traffic as the northeast corridor. Controllers in Philadelphia will begin using ADS-B in February and the system will become operational in Juneau in April. ADS-B is expected to be available nationwide by 2013.
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My February issue of Kitplanes has ran an article on ADS-B for kit builders. The US pilots have similar opinions to what we have here "So pilots would have an opportunity to choose whether to subject themselves to government surveillance" Sounds familiar.
Quote for GA operators as to equipping their aircraft for the UAT flavour as well as 1090ES ADS-B for a G900X using GTS800 (800/820/850) series TAS receiver and GTX330 ES transpnder. Three levels of patpending CLEAR CAS technology from lower end traffic advisory up to full blown TCAS I qualified. Kitplanes lists these upgrades at $9995 , $19995 and $23495 for upgrading the G900X suite. (Ironicly, Kitplanes used a photo of a portable Garmin GPS495 screen depicting information from an Aussie built Enigma unit yet didn't even mention the guys in their article.)****
GARMIN GTS
Kitplanes is recommending kit builders of EFIS equipped aircraft to at least make provision of a transciever. They believe costs will be cheaper than a modeS transponder.
UPS have made savings of 30% in fuel cost alone with being able to organise merge and self space their aircraft into the UPS Lousville hub. The throttles come back once from top of descent all the way to final with little ATC handling.
****Note..how much were some here quoting for a full blown dual antenna TCAS I system,,JOKER10???
Quote for GA operators as to equipping their aircraft for the UAT flavour as well as 1090ES ADS-B for a G900X using GTS800 (800/820/850) series TAS receiver and GTX330 ES transpnder. Three levels of patpending CLEAR CAS technology from lower end traffic advisory up to full blown TCAS I qualified. Kitplanes lists these upgrades at $9995 , $19995 and $23495 for upgrading the G900X suite. (Ironicly, Kitplanes used a photo of a portable Garmin GPS495 screen depicting information from an Aussie built Enigma unit yet didn't even mention the guys in their article.)****
GARMIN GTS
Kitplanes is recommending kit builders of EFIS equipped aircraft to at least make provision of a transciever. They believe costs will be cheaper than a modeS transponder.
UPS have made savings of 30% in fuel cost alone with being able to organise merge and self space their aircraft into the UPS Lousville hub. The throttles come back once from top of descent all the way to final with little ATC handling.
****Note..how much were some here quoting for a full blown dual antenna TCAS I system,,JOKER10???
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Binghi..was hoping you would show up here one day
Tell me...please...this isn't a religious site like the Global Warming nutters. you will get fair treatment here...provided you actual further your argument rather than espouse...the terrorists the terrorists!!!
Tell me...please...this isn't a religious site like the Global Warming nutters. you will get fair treatment here...provided you actual further your argument rather than espouse...the terrorists the terrorists!!!
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It's all going swimmingly but who is going to pay for it? 90% of the GA fleet can't afford $6,000 to $10,000 dollars for the gear and installation? Say what you like about prices coming down but this has been said since ADSB was first espoused, they haven't come down much.
Binghi sprouted
They can buy off the shelf software now for flight following.
RAA Aircraft going to get it too? That'd near double the Government outlay, yer's are all dreamin boys.
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All good stuff...though what happens when the terrorists start to 'miss-use' the GPS system.............. ?
RAA Aircraft going to get it too? That'd near double the Government outlay, yer's are all dreamin boys.
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Super Cecil...that is a Garmin price. However, it shows the market is maturing. Not that long ago the only TSOd gear was from Europe. Case in point the GTX330 is twice the price of the similarly optioned Trig TT31.
Only reporting what I find, you guys can make up your own minds
Only reporting what I find, you guys can make up your own minds
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I do prefer having ADS-B but feel kind of alone knowing that few others are using the system. That said it does make flying out in the center feel a lot safer knowing someones watching me.
I've had other systems mentioned and I think its a great idea for trend monitoring etc but does feel a lot like big brother :P since its only ops who are watching not ATC. I'd prefer it to nothing and if it makes my job safer I'm happy. Also having an Emergency button on it is great.
I've had other systems mentioned and I think its a great idea for trend monitoring etc but does feel a lot like big brother :P since its only ops who are watching not ATC. I'd prefer it to nothing and if it makes my job safer I'm happy. Also having an Emergency button on it is great.
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That said it does make flying out in the center feel a lot safer knowing someones watching me.
Who other than King Billy Cokebottle is watching you fly through his 7.5 million square kilometers of sacred airspace, and how will this make your flight so much safer? You know he'll probably charge you money don't you?
Struth, some of you blokes are thick!
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Francis...there you go again. The upper airspace rollout is complete. 100% coverage at FL290..so how much coverage A100? and A050? There is nil, zip, nadda, none out there before.