Qantas Reduces LHR slip Time
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And what Speedbird conveniently fails to acknowledge is that there are other reasons that people bid for LHR trips other than to go to London.
Other such reasons are the 6 day standown, generous slips on the way up and back to/from London in Singapore, nice allowances and longrange pay.
Do you think everybody that bids for back to back 4 day LAX trips do so because they love going there?
For most it's because of the money and the days off at home!!!!!!!!!!
Other such reasons are the 6 day standown, generous slips on the way up and back to/from London in Singapore, nice allowances and longrange pay.
Do you think everybody that bids for back to back 4 day LAX trips do so because they love going there?
For most it's because of the money and the days off at home!!!!!!!!!!
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How long is a four day LAX trip Twiggs?
I'll give you a hint.
It's half as long as an eight day LHR
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People go to LHR for a reason Twiggs.
They are going to be angry.
They are going to vote no.
I know.
I fly...........
I'll give you a hint.
It's half as long as an eight day LHR
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People go to LHR for a reason Twiggs.
They are going to be angry.
They are going to vote no.
I know.
I fly...........
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As I said before speedbird, in the rare occasion a vote is needed, the company will just send the crew out the next day via HKG if necessary.
Someone else pointed out that the LHR-HKG is not even a long range sector, hence only one day required in HKG.
You reckon many people will vote no when that little scenario is floated?
And the reason I know this?
I fly!!!!
Someone else pointed out that the LHR-HKG is not even a long range sector, hence only one day required in HKG.
You reckon many people will vote no when that little scenario is floated?
And the reason I know this?
I fly!!!!
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Cartexchange, I didn't mean everybody.
The point being that not everybody bids for trips for the same reason.
It's nice to hear that the job is about the destinations for you though.
The point being that not everybody bids for trips for the same reason.
It's nice to hear that the job is about the destinations for you though.
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And the reason I know this?
I fly!!!!
I fly!!!!
Someone else pointed out that the LHR-HKG is not even a long range sector, hence only one day required in HKG.
You reckon many people will vote no when that little scenario is floated?
You reckon many people will vote no when that little scenario is floated?
Twiggs,if you have one night in Singers and one night in London then you have to have 2 local nights in the next slip port.It doesn't matter if it is long range or not.
twiggs is right about the company trying to change your mind with the vote.They will tell us if you vote no then you will not go home via Singers.
I will vote no because we have to send a message to the company.
What we have to remember is that a no vote will cost the company money.
It looks like there are 2 groups here.
The first are those who support the company and everything they do.
The second are those that fly and joined to see the world.They did not join just to see the insides of their eyelids in a hotel before fronting up in the giggle suit for another flight.
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Some home truths
Let me explain something to you Twiggs.
Whomever dreamt this little slap in the face can spin it as much as they like.
It's a serious mistake on so many levels and for so many reasons that I can't believe that even you lot could be so fundamentally stupid.
Firstly, to compare a four day LAX trip with an eight day LHR is absurd even for you.
Those who bid for LA trips can choose two methods. Quick and nasty as in the four day LA which is without question the most senior trip in the company bar none.
Or. The can get there via AKL trips, JFK shuttles or bid for other directs with longer slips.
Everybody's needs/wants are catered for. People are happy.
Compare that with LHR.
One trip. That's it. Take it or leave it.
Now. The LHR trips that I have done of late have had a large proportion of QCCA crew on them which indicates that they are not particularly popular, in that they do not resemble a four day LA.
Keeping up? Good.
The ones who do bid for them have reasons to be there and they are the only ones who can vote in event of a delay.
They are not going to be happy? Get it?
Yes we know that scheduling will threaten them with the most dire of alternatives if they vote no but the vote will have already happened. There will be no re-negotiation as in the rolling type disruption where that parasitic ice queen was able to lie and intimidate that exhausted [ and truly wonderful] female CSM during the 20 + hour NYK shuttle.
Besides, most of us have learnt that lesson and [pardon my indelicate language] your suck holes have already gone or are going to, the A380.
Now. You lot under Dickson haven't treated either myself or my colleagues very nicely over the last few years despite our wonderful efforts. You know this to be true.
Passenger satisfaction at record levels and all that. You think and behave as if it is because of the efforts of office dwelling visitors.
Well I can tell you that it's not. It actually despite your efforts that crew perform to the level that they do.
Remember a few weeks ago when I explained the conversation I had with that quite senior career FA. The excellent one.
Well, she has a beef with you lot. She calls management a word that starts with C, ends with S and has five letters and yet, she is one of the most professional FA's I've ever worked with. Loves her job, treats her passengers like gold but she is angry.
She is just one, I know but remember. We've all been lied to, bullied, harassed and intimidated under dick son's regime and those that haven't will most certainly know someone who has.
This minimum slip stuff is just perfect for those of us with a score to settle which includes I might add, just about every single QAC cabin crew member.
You know us.
We are the ones who were promised in our EBA that we would crew the A380............
My FIRST no vote will be for Phillip Woodward Brown.
Whomever dreamt this little slap in the face can spin it as much as they like.
It's a serious mistake on so many levels and for so many reasons that I can't believe that even you lot could be so fundamentally stupid.
Firstly, to compare a four day LAX trip with an eight day LHR is absurd even for you.
Those who bid for LA trips can choose two methods. Quick and nasty as in the four day LA which is without question the most senior trip in the company bar none.
Or. The can get there via AKL trips, JFK shuttles or bid for other directs with longer slips.
Everybody's needs/wants are catered for. People are happy.
Compare that with LHR.
One trip. That's it. Take it or leave it.
Now. The LHR trips that I have done of late have had a large proportion of QCCA crew on them which indicates that they are not particularly popular, in that they do not resemble a four day LA.
Keeping up? Good.
The ones who do bid for them have reasons to be there and they are the only ones who can vote in event of a delay.
They are not going to be happy? Get it?
Yes we know that scheduling will threaten them with the most dire of alternatives if they vote no but the vote will have already happened. There will be no re-negotiation as in the rolling type disruption where that parasitic ice queen was able to lie and intimidate that exhausted [ and truly wonderful] female CSM during the 20 + hour NYK shuttle.
Besides, most of us have learnt that lesson and [pardon my indelicate language] your suck holes have already gone or are going to, the A380.
Now. You lot under Dickson haven't treated either myself or my colleagues very nicely over the last few years despite our wonderful efforts. You know this to be true.
Passenger satisfaction at record levels and all that. You think and behave as if it is because of the efforts of office dwelling visitors.
Well I can tell you that it's not. It actually despite your efforts that crew perform to the level that they do.
Remember a few weeks ago when I explained the conversation I had with that quite senior career FA. The excellent one.
Well, she has a beef with you lot. She calls management a word that starts with C, ends with S and has five letters and yet, she is one of the most professional FA's I've ever worked with. Loves her job, treats her passengers like gold but she is angry.
She is just one, I know but remember. We've all been lied to, bullied, harassed and intimidated under dick son's regime and those that haven't will most certainly know someone who has.
This minimum slip stuff is just perfect for those of us with a score to settle which includes I might add, just about every single QAC cabin crew member.
You know us.
We are the ones who were promised in our EBA that we would crew the A380............
My FIRST no vote will be for Phillip Woodward Brown.
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You still don't get it do you speedbird?
It will never come to a vote.
They will just send the crew back on a later flight if there is a delay.
They won't even ask the crew for a reduction.
You think they haven't already thought of this?
If you don't then you are dumber than you think they are!
They have a London base for more than one reason.
It will never come to a vote.
They will just send the crew back on a later flight if there is a delay.
They won't even ask the crew for a reduction.
You think they haven't already thought of this?
If you don't then you are dumber than you think they are!
They have a London base for more than one reason.
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What you meant to say was that they'll have to send them to another destination with the resultant flow on effects that that will create.
Of course you also don't have a hotel full of aircrew up there just waiting to be turned around anymore do you Twiggs
Of course you also don't have a hotel full of aircrew up there just waiting to be turned around anymore do you Twiggs
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speedbird,
Whether you, I, or anybody else likes it, shorts slips are going to be the norm soon. If you don't like it, then do something else. Stop living in the 60's where 14 days trips were considered "short". The world has changed.
Your job is to provide a service to the customer, not for Qantas to provide you with a private jet to see the world. If you can do this on a 38 hour London slip, then good luck to you. If not, rest up and provide the same high service on the way home. That is what you are being paid for!!
Whether you, I, or anybody else likes it, shorts slips are going to be the norm soon. If you don't like it, then do something else. Stop living in the 60's where 14 days trips were considered "short". The world has changed.
Your job is to provide a service to the customer, not for Qantas to provide you with a private jet to see the world. If you can do this on a 38 hour London slip, then good luck to you. If not, rest up and provide the same high service on the way home. That is what you are being paid for!!
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Trolling for what cart. It's the truth. You are there to provide a service to the customers. What's so wrong about that?? We are there to fly the aeroplane.
It may not be your preference, but it's the way of life.
Get used to more and more short slips. Qantas is trying to run a business. Not a high speed limo service for cabin or tech crew to see the world.
What are you reporting me to the teacher for? Having a differing opinion to yours, perish the thought!
It may not be your preference, but it's the way of life.
Get used to more and more short slips. Qantas is trying to run a business. Not a high speed limo service for cabin or tech crew to see the world.
What are you reporting me to the teacher for? Having a differing opinion to yours, perish the thought!
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Fatigue Factor
Fatigue is going to be a major factor in the coming months.
There is a company provided course on EQ.For your own protection and safety everyone should do it.
This fatigue protocol is backed by legislation.
Learn to recognize the signs of fatigue.If you are not fit for duty and are fatigued then write a safety report and absent yourself from work...wherever you are.
Maybe then someone in management will realize that CC are not made of Aluminium but flesh and blood.
There is a duty of care.This applies to QCCA more than anyone.Once QF have enough A380s you will be worked into the ground.
If you make a mistake while fatigued you will be perceived as being both negligent and culpable.
Be proactive in this...it will save your job and your arse
There is a company provided course on EQ.For your own protection and safety everyone should do it.
This fatigue protocol is backed by legislation.
Learn to recognize the signs of fatigue.If you are not fit for duty and are fatigued then write a safety report and absent yourself from work...wherever you are.
Maybe then someone in management will realize that CC are not made of Aluminium but flesh and blood.
There is a duty of care.This applies to QCCA more than anyone.Once QF have enough A380s you will be worked into the ground.
If you make a mistake while fatigued you will be perceived as being both negligent and culpable.
Be proactive in this...it will save your job and your arse
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Good advice Defcon, unfortunately too often I fly with crew who insist on operating when they are ill, just so they "don't get stuck somewhere" or so they can get home.
I doubt recognising fatigue will have much impact on that, but we can hope.
I doubt recognising fatigue will have much impact on that, but we can hope.
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Fatigue Recognition
If you are an Onboard Manager and you have reason to believe a crew member is fatigued you have an obligation to stand the crew member aside.
If you are a crew member and you believe another crew member is fatigued you should bring it to the attention of an Onboard Manager.
Following a safety related incident if an investigation finds that fatigue was involved and it was known that the crew member was fatigued guess who gets jumped on?
Fatigue can costs lives
Sound melodramatic?Think again.
Twiggs..being ill and being fatigued are separate issues.They can both however lead to costly mistakes
If you are a crew member and you believe another crew member is fatigued you should bring it to the attention of an Onboard Manager.
Following a safety related incident if an investigation finds that fatigue was involved and it was known that the crew member was fatigued guess who gets jumped on?
Fatigue can costs lives
Sound melodramatic?Think again.
Twiggs..being ill and being fatigued are separate issues.They can both however lead to costly mistakes
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At least one recent incident where an AKL based FA was stood down by their operating CSM for being too fatigued and therefore unfit for duty.
What happens in LHR when [if] multiple crew members are unfit to operate after their minimum slip??
The Thais don't answer their phones in LHR for obvious reasons and we can't cross crew with Qantas's English flight attendants................
I'm sure you and your lot thought of everything Twiggs
Merry Christmas all.
What happens in LHR when [if] multiple crew members are unfit to operate after their minimum slip??
The Thais don't answer their phones in LHR for obvious reasons and we can't cross crew with Qantas's English flight attendants................
I'm sure you and your lot thought of everything Twiggs
Merry Christmas all.
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Fatigue
Company Fatigue Protocol:
Fatigue must be treated with "compassion and confidentiality".
Done too many back 2 back trips with minimum rest.?
Report the matter to your manager and remove yourself from rostered duties until fit.Report any matters which are not treated with compassion and confidentiality to the Association.
This is the line in the sand and it is for the safety of your wellbeing.
It is protection from an uncaring employer who pays lip service to your physical and emotional welfare
It is now enshrined in OH and S legislation
Fatigue must be treated with "compassion and confidentiality".
Done too many back 2 back trips with minimum rest.?
Report the matter to your manager and remove yourself from rostered duties until fit.Report any matters which are not treated with compassion and confidentiality to the Association.
This is the line in the sand and it is for the safety of your wellbeing.
It is protection from an uncaring employer who pays lip service to your physical and emotional welfare
It is now enshrined in OH and S legislation
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"38 hours is plenty of time to rest,".
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That isn't for you to say which is a concept that you clearly [still] do not get.
One thing that can be said with certainty however is that anything under 36 isn't.
"38 hours is plenty of time to rest,".
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That isn't for you to say which is a concept that you clearly [still
] do not get.One thing that can be said with certainty however is that anything under 36 isn't.