Qantas Reduces LHR slip Time
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You sound like one of those blokes that just can't give the job away, especially the politics!
Retire gracefully already, get away from Qrewroom and Pprune (1900 posts!!!!), and go and play some golf, or sail a boat (or lawn bowls).
As for anti cc comments of mine, good to see you've got a few anti tc comments of your own as comebacks! Looks like I hit a raw nerve too!
re NRT and the truck episode, exactly what I said!
Bring on the shorter slips I say! As long as fatigue levels (through proper research) aren't too great, why wouldn't Qantas want to reduce them to minimum levels. We don't have to agree with them, but Qantas aren't there to provide a travel service for the cabin crew to facilitate their sightseeing and shopping overseas!!!!
I've got to go, I'm on a short slip and it's almost time for call. See ya!
Retire gracefully already, get away from Qrewroom and Pprune (1900 posts!!!!), and go and play some golf, or sail a boat (or lawn bowls).
As for anti cc comments of mine, good to see you've got a few anti tc comments of your own as comebacks! Looks like I hit a raw nerve too!
re NRT and the truck episode, exactly what I said!
Bring on the shorter slips I say! As long as fatigue levels (through proper research) aren't too great, why wouldn't Qantas want to reduce them to minimum levels. We don't have to agree with them, but Qantas aren't there to provide a travel service for the cabin crew to facilitate their sightseeing and shopping overseas!!!!
I've got to go, I'm on a short slip and it's almost time for call. See ya!
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Funbags.....I don't know about you but I haven't lost my interest in life simply because I have retired from flying....I do like taking the boat out and fishing not to mention other pursuits but I think I might leave lawn bowls to you when you retire and forget about flying.
As I said Cabin crew join because of the lifestyle and not because we want to to live on an aircraft....
If you want to have a go at cabin Crew then start up a thread about that....
As I said Cabin crew join because of the lifestyle and not because we want to to live on an aircraft....
If you want to have a go at cabin Crew then start up a thread about that....
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Some people tend to forget that this is a JOB. There are many options out there if you do not wish to spend your time in a tube for 14 hours. For some this is a career and you make the most of what you can when you are out on line.
If slip times are reduced then contact the FAAA. After all, the company is not braking any rules.
Patterns are examined by the FAAA and deemed to be 'ok' before they are released.
If slip times are reduced then contact the FAAA. After all, the company is not braking any rules.
Patterns are examined by the FAAA and deemed to be 'ok' before they are released.
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ciprian,mate I don't reckon any of us forget what we do is a job and yeah the company is not breaking any rules but they are stretching them all the way to the bank.
The drivers are lucky because most people don't get paid to do what they like to do.I go along with lobey and it is a way of life for us.I don't like anything 9 to 5 or driving in traffic jams everyday to get to work.I would throw an office job in 5 minutes if I was stuck with it.Teachers don't do their job because they like to be bagged by noisy kids but they love it because they are teaching kids skills.Blokes in factory's don't do it because they like getting filthy but it pays the bills and puts food on the table and beer in the fridge.If you look at other jobs it's the same
The way ciprian,funbags & Toluene Diisocyanate go on you would get the idea that the drivers never get upset when the company chips away at their conditions.If we get the sh!!$ about our conditions being taken away some drivers forget that they moan and blue about what their not getting any more and have a shot at us.If you want to remind them all you have to do is talk about Jetstar and remind them about their jobs.
Yeah thats right ciprian,starting Jetstar wasn't breaking any rules but it still takes jobs away from QF mainline and tell me that our drivers are not upset about that.
Calling the union about anything the company does legally is a waste of time.The only thing the company understands is when the crew vote not to reduce their slip and their stuck with a delay.I've seen the drivers do it when it suits them so theres no reason we can't.
The drivers are lucky because most people don't get paid to do what they like to do.I go along with lobey and it is a way of life for us.I don't like anything 9 to 5 or driving in traffic jams everyday to get to work.I would throw an office job in 5 minutes if I was stuck with it.Teachers don't do their job because they like to be bagged by noisy kids but they love it because they are teaching kids skills.Blokes in factory's don't do it because they like getting filthy but it pays the bills and puts food on the table and beer in the fridge.If you look at other jobs it's the same
The way ciprian,funbags & Toluene Diisocyanate go on you would get the idea that the drivers never get upset when the company chips away at their conditions.If we get the sh!!$ about our conditions being taken away some drivers forget that they moan and blue about what their not getting any more and have a shot at us.If you want to remind them all you have to do is talk about Jetstar and remind them about their jobs.
Yeah thats right ciprian,starting Jetstar wasn't breaking any rules but it still takes jobs away from QF mainline and tell me that our drivers are not upset about that.
Calling the union about anything the company does legally is a waste of time.The only thing the company understands is when the crew vote not to reduce their slip and their stuck with a delay.I've seen the drivers do it when it suits them so theres no reason we can't.
Pilots,cabin crew, it doesn't matter. What matters is it within the rules?
If so no one has anything to go on about. The major, major problem will be the full implementation of carmen. Geezus, the first question that should be asked is, how many airlines have had major problems with schedule integrity post full carmen implementation? All because companies get very greedy at the perceived cost savings and tighten the slip times to absolute minimum and then cannot fathom why it turns to a can of worms when there are the inevitable disruptions.
Qantas has only tasted the tip of the 'power' of carmen, once all modules have had their impact on roster construction, have a look at how good 'lifestyles' are then!
If so no one has anything to go on about. The major, major problem will be the full implementation of carmen. Geezus, the first question that should be asked is, how many airlines have had major problems with schedule integrity post full carmen implementation? All because companies get very greedy at the perceived cost savings and tighten the slip times to absolute minimum and then cannot fathom why it turns to a can of worms when there are the inevitable disruptions.
Qantas has only tasted the tip of the 'power' of carmen, once all modules have had their impact on roster construction, have a look at how good 'lifestyles' are then!
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Not once did I mention anything about the drivers. Not sure how you include me with funbags and co?
Like I stated before, the FAA has access to the patterns before they are released. What options are out there if no one ones to talk to the company or the FAA?
On another note the company had the option of slipping crew on AKL-LAX runs for 36 hours as they did with the AKL based crew, irrespective if they operated 2 sectors on an A330, but they didn't. All patterns had 56 hour slips.
It has been a long time since we last saw 36 hour slips in LHR but it is not the first. If it is deemed too ardous then waht options are out there if no one wishes to speak to the company about it or the FAA?
Not once did I mention anything about the drivers. Not sure how you include me with funbags and co?
Like I stated before, the FAA has access to the patterns before they are released. What options are out there if no one ones to talk to the company or the FAA?
On another note the company had the option of slipping crew on AKL-LAX runs for 36 hours as they did with the AKL based crew, irrespective if they operated 2 sectors on an A330, but they didn't. All patterns had 56 hour slips.
It has been a long time since we last saw 36 hour slips in LHR but it is not the first. If it is deemed too ardous then waht options are out there if no one wishes to speak to the company about it or the FAA?
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After all, the company is not braking any rules.
If they do something which technically doesn't break the rules then talking to them is as useful as an ashtray on a bike.You have to understand that they don't give a stuff if we don't like the way it's going.
The only thing the company cares about is money.If delays start costing them money they will think about it but until that happens it is a waste of time.
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Am I correct in assuming that the 31 ex LHR will now be operated by LHR based crew on the A380?
If so this will be an interesting development.
AFAIK the Thais are not [yet?] going to be trained on the A380.
Lets see then.......
Daylight flight ex LHR with no Thais on board to do the real y/c work?
Should be very interesting given the reputation of the LHR-HKG day light sector.
If so this will be an interesting development.
AFAIK the Thais are not [yet?] going to be trained on the A380.
Lets see then.......
Daylight flight ex LHR with no Thais on board to do the real y/c work?
Should be very interesting given the reputation of the LHR-HKG day light sector.
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Obtuse, disingenuous or stupid?
I have my suspisions......
Let me help you.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour night sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour day light sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
______________
Now concentrate. This is the hard part.
Use some imagination [if you can] and try and imagine what happens on the other side of the flight deck door and the differences [if any
] in flight attendant workload between night and daylight sectors.
I have my suspisions......
Let me help you.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour night sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour day light sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
______________
Now concentrate. This is the hard part.
Use some imagination [if you can] and try and imagine what happens on the other side of the flight deck door and the differences [if any
] in flight attendant workload between night and daylight sectors.
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Speedbird,
the reason we will now be doing the 9 and 10 is because the LHR base will be doing the 31 and 32 which will progressively be on the A380, not 29 and 30 which is the HKG flight.
This also means that if we were to be delayed and voted not to extend, all the company has to do is is send us on the 30 to HKG instead and use LHR base on the 10 to SIN.
It would be no problem for the company, but many crew would not like that and I'm sure it would influence voting.
the reason we will now be doing the 9 and 10 is because the LHR base will be doing the 31 and 32 which will progressively be on the A380, not 29 and 30 which is the HKG flight.
This also means that if we were to be delayed and voted not to extend, all the company has to do is is send us on the 30 to HKG instead and use LHR base on the 10 to SIN.
It would be no problem for the company, but many crew would not like that and I'm sure it would influence voting.
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You must fly the sector alot as you seem to be an expert.
Btw it is an 11 hr sector. Lunch service followed by putting the pax to sleep for 8 hrs before a quick breakfast.
You assume I am tech crew. We prefer the hong kong because it gives us a chance to go out and have a good time. We have often had our passengers invite us out for parties on boats to which we all obliged.
As for what the techies do, I don't care, so long as they get us there safely is all that matters...
Btw it is an 11 hr sector. Lunch service followed by putting the pax to sleep for 8 hrs before a quick breakfast.
You assume I am tech crew. We prefer the hong kong because it gives us a chance to go out and have a good time. We have often had our passengers invite us out for parties on boats to which we all obliged.
As for what the techies do, I don't care, so long as they get us there safely is all that matters...
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Twiggs,
I dont think that you and your office mates have thought this through very well which is understandable given the way this company is mis-managed. You lot have the corporate memory of not much more than a nano second.
The new brooms comes in, sacks everybody they can and replaces them with pet sycophants resulting a net loss of corporate history and experience.
38 hour slips don't work in LHR when the minimum is 36. My point being that it was tried years ago and failed.
Anyway. You make it sound like swapping English with Australian based crews is going to be operationally easy?
I don't have a bid book handy but my understanding of departure times EX LHR suggests that you are seriously wrong.
Of course QF are only working to the letter of the law and as such I can't wait to bid for back to back LHRs to recipricate.
Northern winters can be so much fun.
Two hours Twiggs.
You lot never learn.
Scyscanner,
is that the best you can do?
My sincere apologies to all QF drivers. I just twigged that we have a plane spotter in the room.
I dont think that you and your office mates have thought this through very well which is understandable given the way this company is mis-managed. You lot have the corporate memory of not much more than a nano second.
The new brooms comes in, sacks everybody they can and replaces them with pet sycophants resulting a net loss of corporate history and experience.
38 hour slips don't work in LHR when the minimum is 36. My point being that it was tried years ago and failed.
Anyway. You make it sound like swapping English with Australian based crews is going to be operationally easy?
I don't have a bid book handy but my understanding of departure times EX LHR suggests that you are seriously wrong.
Of course QF are only working to the letter of the law and as such I can't wait to bid for back to back LHRs to recipricate.
Northern winters can be so much fun.
Two hours Twiggs.
You lot never learn.
Scyscanner,
is that the best you can do?
My sincere apologies to all QF drivers. I just twigged that we have a plane spotter in the room.
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It would be no problem for the company, but many crew would not like that and I'm sure it would influence voting.
I don't think it's neccessary to re-quote any of your other posts is it?.
You constantly seem to take the side of the company and to people reading this it gives the impression that you are indeed in the office.
To suggest that the only reason for this change in our slip is to accomodate the 380 flights is disingenuous at best.
The company did promise us a daily trip to London and reducing it yet again to 36 hours really does nothing for that promise.We might as well be in Wagga Wagga if we are asleep in a room recovering after a long flight.
If it is as innocent as you suggest then why not give Australian based crew other flights which gives them more time in London.Even if it ended up as they do with the Frankfurt trips and have a one night slip on the way home it would be better.
This is not however about fitting in with the 380 flights.This is more about making the job less attractive to Australian based crew or at least those Australian based crew not flying the 380.
As far as the company thinks the faster they get rid of us the better.
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"Qantas Pilot's 13 hour night sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour day light sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end."
speedbird, so if our jobs so easy, why didn't you apply for it.
Isn't in terrible how all those nasty passengers get in the way of a good shopping trip, or a visit to the London Bridge!!
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end.
Qantas Pilot's 13 hour day light sector-
6 hours off asleep in a bunk. The remainder sitting on his/her rear end."
speedbird, so if our jobs so easy, why didn't you apply for it.
Isn't in terrible how all those nasty passengers get in the way of a good shopping trip, or a visit to the London Bridge!!