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as to FOG's argument,about why he is entitled to such a large PAY check,he keeps saying he is responsible for 36ooo employees and a 15 billion dollar turn over,stiff **** FOG,you are not responsible for 1000's of lives when these aircraft take to the skies,GET A GRIP GEOFF and F@CK OFF
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Root of the dispute.
1. QE Mismanagement.
2. Not Enough People.
3. Will of its Employees.
How do we fix it.
1. Reward employees with what they deserve. 5% is a start.
2. Employ more to handle the workload.
3. F#$K O#F the current management who F#$k it in the first place.
1. QE Mismanagement.
2. Not Enough People.
3. Will of its Employees.
How do we fix it.
1. Reward employees with what they deserve. 5% is a start.
2. Employ more to handle the workload.
3. F#$K O#F the current management who F#$k it in the first place.
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Mr Fed Sec,
Why ae you not doing interviews, have you been replaced as the face of the ALAEA.
I would be intersted to know if you have been removed as the spokeperson. I think you are a fantastic TV commuicator, with speaking skills that the Australian public should be exposed to and should be back doing point duties re interviews on the TV asap.
Why ae you not doing interviews, have you been replaced as the face of the ALAEA.
I would be intersted to know if you have been removed as the spokeperson. I think you are a fantastic TV commuicator, with speaking skills that the Australian public should be exposed to and should be back doing point duties re interviews on the TV asap.
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Qantas managers risking lives, says union
June 23, 2008 - 6:55PM
Qantas managers put passengers at risk when they did the work of striking engineers in Melbourne today, unions claim.
About 60 engineers, half of the 120 workers rostered to work at Melbourne's domestic terminal, walked off the job at 2am (AEST) today.
The four-hour stopwork action was repeated in Sydney and Cairns in protest against Qantas' refusal to increase its three per cent pay offer to its 1,500-strong engineer workforce.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) is demanding a five per cent increase.
ALAEA president Paul Cousins said 12 to 15 Qantas managers from around Australia, all former engineers, worked on Melbourne aircraft overnight.
Qantas confirmed managers were deployed in several locations today while engineers were on strike.
Mr Cousins said passengers could have been endangered by the move because the managers were not as experienced as employed engineers.
"Obviously, we have big concerns in regard to that because we feel that there is an amount of competency required," he said.
Mr Cousins said engineers renew their licences every two years, and must have worked in maintenance for at least six months of a preceding 24-month period.
"We certainly don't believe that these managers that have taken over these positions could actually show those credentials," he said.
"We are concerned that these standards that have set Qantas as a benchmark in aviation safety around the world are being lessened by the use of these individuals."
Mr Cousins claimed the managers, whom he described as "scab labour", missed an important check overnight which resulted in a Sydney-bound aircraft being delayed.
"With the scab labour that they had on, which was Qantas managers masquerading as licensed engineers, basically they missed an important minimum equipment list (MEL) item," he said.
Mr Cousins said the flight with about 200 passengers was delayed for several hours.
But a Qantas spokeswoman today said there were no significant delays.
"A limited number of our Melbourne services have experienced delays of under half an hour this morning," the spokeswoman said.
Qantas executive general manager of engineering David Cox said the incident referred to by the union occurred because of paperwork and not a safety issue.
"This is another example of the union making exaggerated safety claims when it's on a campaign for more money," he said through a spokesman.
"For the union to pretend that such minor issues don't occur when its members are on duty is laughable."
Qantas executive general manager of people Kevin Brown confirmed Qantas had used managers while engineers were on strike.
Asked whether Qantas would use an alternative workforce, including offshore-trained workers, Mr Brown said: "We've said that we would consider doing that".
"We haven't deployed any of those people today and at this stage we don't expect to tomorrow."
Six Qantas flights from Sydney and Melbourne were cancelled today and another 18 have been cancelled tomorrow.
The airline said all of tomorrow's passengers had been rebooked on flights within one-and-a-half hours of their original flight times, but some international flights would experience extended delays.
Several international flights out of Sydney and Melbourne today were delayed by up to six hours, Mr Brown said.
The union withdrew a strike planned for Wednesday and Thursday after a challenge against the legality of the action last Friday in the Industrial Relations Commission.
AAP
June 23, 2008 - 6:55PM
Qantas managers put passengers at risk when they did the work of striking engineers in Melbourne today, unions claim.
About 60 engineers, half of the 120 workers rostered to work at Melbourne's domestic terminal, walked off the job at 2am (AEST) today.
The four-hour stopwork action was repeated in Sydney and Cairns in protest against Qantas' refusal to increase its three per cent pay offer to its 1,500-strong engineer workforce.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association (ALAEA) is demanding a five per cent increase.
ALAEA president Paul Cousins said 12 to 15 Qantas managers from around Australia, all former engineers, worked on Melbourne aircraft overnight.
Qantas confirmed managers were deployed in several locations today while engineers were on strike.
Mr Cousins said passengers could have been endangered by the move because the managers were not as experienced as employed engineers.
"Obviously, we have big concerns in regard to that because we feel that there is an amount of competency required," he said.
Mr Cousins said engineers renew their licences every two years, and must have worked in maintenance for at least six months of a preceding 24-month period.
"We certainly don't believe that these managers that have taken over these positions could actually show those credentials," he said.
"We are concerned that these standards that have set Qantas as a benchmark in aviation safety around the world are being lessened by the use of these individuals."
Mr Cousins claimed the managers, whom he described as "scab labour", missed an important check overnight which resulted in a Sydney-bound aircraft being delayed.
"With the scab labour that they had on, which was Qantas managers masquerading as licensed engineers, basically they missed an important minimum equipment list (MEL) item," he said.
Mr Cousins said the flight with about 200 passengers was delayed for several hours.
But a Qantas spokeswoman today said there were no significant delays.
"A limited number of our Melbourne services have experienced delays of under half an hour this morning," the spokeswoman said.
Qantas executive general manager of engineering David Cox said the incident referred to by the union occurred because of paperwork and not a safety issue.
"This is another example of the union making exaggerated safety claims when it's on a campaign for more money," he said through a spokesman.
"For the union to pretend that such minor issues don't occur when its members are on duty is laughable."
Qantas executive general manager of people Kevin Brown confirmed Qantas had used managers while engineers were on strike.
Asked whether Qantas would use an alternative workforce, including offshore-trained workers, Mr Brown said: "We've said that we would consider doing that".
"We haven't deployed any of those people today and at this stage we don't expect to tomorrow."
Six Qantas flights from Sydney and Melbourne were cancelled today and another 18 have been cancelled tomorrow.
The airline said all of tomorrow's passengers had been rebooked on flights within one-and-a-half hours of their original flight times, but some international flights would experience extended delays.
Several international flights out of Sydney and Melbourne today were delayed by up to six hours, Mr Brown said.
The union withdrew a strike planned for Wednesday and Thursday after a challenge against the legality of the action last Friday in the Industrial Relations Commission.
AAP
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Question : Do you actually watch the news or listen to the radio ?
Plenty of refuting going on there and Dixon looking a right tosser
Question : Do you actually watch the news or listen to the radio ?
Plenty of refuting going on there and Dixon looking a right tosser
I heard Dixon mention on the 7.30 Report we got 3 - 4% bonus and up to 7% bonuses! HUH?!
Let's do the maths:
If he's talking about us receiving a $1000 bonus: if it were to equate to a 3% bonus, it means we're being paid around $33,000/yr; and a 4% bonus would mean we were earning a measly $25,000/yr!
If he's talking about a $2000 bonus: if it were to equate to a 3% bonus, it means we're being paid $67,000; and a 4% bonus would mean we were earning $50,000!
And 7% really strains credibility: if $2,000 were to equate to a 7% bonus, we'd be earning - wait for it - $28,571!
So what is it Geoff, are we earning $25,000 - $67,000, or are we extremely well paid - most of us on $130,000 as you've publicly stated, in which case we've been gypped out of our $3,900 - $5,200 or even $9,100 bonus! (i.e. $130,000 x 3% or 4% or 7%). I'll have to ring People Disconnect about that...
Or are you LYING AGAIN!
These are the lies that are not being repudiated. These are the lies that paint us as unreasonable, destructive, greedy money grubbers. And they're going unanswered!
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Where are the A380 boys???
Firstly, well done to the boys/girls involed in the PIA during the week. Stand strong and dont be intimidated.
Secondly, can someone please tell me why there is a few A380 guys in LAX??? Maybe its for the transit ops of the A380. Or maybe it goes deeper than that.....!! hint hint. Just curious..
Secondly, can someone please tell me why there is a few A380 guys in LAX??? Maybe its for the transit ops of the A380. Or maybe it goes deeper than that.....!! hint hint. Just curious..
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the empire strikes back
qantas on the front foot
qantas on the front foot
A checks O/S have been tried before and weren't cost effective at US$36 a barrel........how the hell would that have changed at $140 ?
It's just bluster to try and break our spirit.....keep fighting the good fight and expected randon unexpected shells to fly over your heads from Bexley......
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But I do have a lot of friends and other contacts in the electronic and the print media, and they ALL confirm that the story is very one-sided at the moment, on the Company's side!
The ONLY reason it is one sided in the press is because thats the way THE PRESS want it.
If it wasn't for ABC there'd be virtually NO news from the true perspective!
Now, what is it ABC DON"T have.............free press....PAH
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I was thinking the same way Captain, turned on the radio late afternoon to catch a swag of one liners from the FedSec and the FedPres then turned on the telly see them again. I saw and heard Dixon one time each and on both occasions he sounded like a broken record. " Oh woe is me, the price of oil the price of oil" but we asked about his own pay-rise he perked up saying he was worth every cent.
Interesting that he has no trouble in airing his own virtues but denigrates his employees to the point we're they are totally disengaged.
I say keep it up Exec someone needs to stand up for what is right and we are right behind you.
Interesting that he has no trouble in airing his own virtues but denigrates his employees to the point we're they are totally disengaged.
I say keep it up Exec someone needs to stand up for what is right and we are right behind you.
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Lets get the truth out there!
I agree with many posts regarding the one-sidedness of media coverage (particularly so in syd). Did enjoy the ABC radio interview though.
I keep hearing the association stress that highly skilled/highly trained LAME's should not be expected to take a real pay cut (not a direct quote, but close enough).
I feel that real pay cuts have already taken place and the campain is not making this public. I'd like to see the average annual pay rise that we have recieved over the last 10 years made public. I'd like the public to be made aware of the rates of pay LAME's at Qf recieve.
New LAME's having just recieved their first licence are payed less that the top graded AME's. Further more, they suffer that for 4 years (all the while, having all the responsibilities of certification), before earning slightly more than their unlicenced counterparts for another 4 years. It takes a shorter duration of training for a school leaver to become a First Officer than it does to become a LAME. We are not in a "low end" job. The truth will only serve to justify our claim.
Am not meaning to have a go at the executive. They are doing a very good job and have my full support. Just felt like having a rant.
I keep hearing the association stress that highly skilled/highly trained LAME's should not be expected to take a real pay cut (not a direct quote, but close enough).
I feel that real pay cuts have already taken place and the campain is not making this public. I'd like to see the average annual pay rise that we have recieved over the last 10 years made public. I'd like the public to be made aware of the rates of pay LAME's at Qf recieve.
New LAME's having just recieved their first licence are payed less that the top graded AME's. Further more, they suffer that for 4 years (all the while, having all the responsibilities of certification), before earning slightly more than their unlicenced counterparts for another 4 years. It takes a shorter duration of training for a school leaver to become a First Officer than it does to become a LAME. We are not in a "low end" job. The truth will only serve to justify our claim.
Am not meaning to have a go at the executive. They are doing a very good job and have my full support. Just felt like having a rant.
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7% Bonus
Whoaaa
I Must have missed something, last time i checked i received $650 after tax plus $1000 of shares that are now worth less than $500 which cant be cashed until 2010...
Grand total of $1350= circa 1.5% of my salary
No pay rise since 2006, woo hoo.
I hate the way this Di*k is spinning his yarns in the press to make everyone believe we have just come up with our untimely demands and how he will not negotiate with a gun to his head.
Our demands date from september 2006, you did not negotiate then. It was the same line take it or leave it...
I must call people disconnect to ask them where is the missing 5.5% of my bonus from last year i have a spare 30 mins.
I Must have missed something, last time i checked i received $650 after tax plus $1000 of shares that are now worth less than $500 which cant be cashed until 2010...
Grand total of $1350= circa 1.5% of my salary
No pay rise since 2006, woo hoo.
I hate the way this Di*k is spinning his yarns in the press to make everyone believe we have just come up with our untimely demands and how he will not negotiate with a gun to his head.
Our demands date from september 2006, you did not negotiate then. It was the same line take it or leave it...
I must call people disconnect to ask them where is the missing 5.5% of my bonus from last year i have a spare 30 mins.
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More chaos as Qantas dispute set to escalate
Qantas union warning on 'scabs'
Qantas engineers warn the airline not to try employing 'scab' strike breakers.
The escalation of the dispute comes as yesterday's industrial action hit services hard, with 35 flights cancelled nationally by 4pm - nearly twice as many as the airline had predicted.
Some 22 flights to and from Melbourne were cancelled. Some passengers suffered delays of up to six hours.
Qantas' executive general manager of people, Kevin Brown, said the strikes were causing "more and more disruptions" but said the airline would get all passengers to their destinations on the day.
There will be some cancellations today and tomorrow, but most of the trouble will be on Friday. The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association has confirmed there will be a range of stoppages of at least four hours in Sydney, Melbourne, Avalon, Perth and Brisbane.
Association president Paul Cousins said the union was prepared to reconsider Friday's strike action if Qantas met it with a changed offer.
"The ball is in Qantas' court. They can stop this dispute at any time by coming back to the table with a reasonable offer that we can take out to our members and have (it) approved," he said.
The union says Qantas still has not budged from its original offer of a 3% pay rise to engineers. The union is asking for 5%.
Mr Brown said the airline would not meet the union while it was causing considerable disruption to Qantas customers.
Discussions between the ACTU, engineers and Qantas broke down on June 12.
Qantas has started using managers, all of whom it has said are qualified aircraft engineers, to plug the gaps when maintenance workers walk off the job. But Mr Cousins said the union was concerned at the safety compliance of those managers.
He noted that 457 visa laws would prevent Qantas from hiring foreign workers to replace local engineers. "They'll have to use a scab labour force ... which numbers well less than 100 and I don't believe they'll be able to conduct the work that 1500 highly skilled Qantas engineers do around the country."
Jetstar was forced to cancel a flight from Melbourne to Bali last night because it was unable to get mechanical work done in time for the plane's departure.
Passenger Jaz Cooper, who was travelling with two small children, said Jetstar staff simply told him the "plane is stuck in Sydney".
A spokeswoman later confirmed the plane was delayed in Sydney because it needed mechanical work, but industrial action had prevented the work being done in time.
Jetstar paid for accommodation for some interstate passengers, while local residents were simply told to go home and return for the rescheduled flight this morning.
This one I googled this morning, in fact if you Google Qantas News, ALAEA Qantas etc you will get all the media and there are heaps
Qantas union warning on 'scabs'Qantas engineers warn the airline not to try employing 'scab' strike breakers.
- QANTAS passengers will face more disruptions and cancellations, with the airline last night informed of a fresh round of rolling strikes by its licensed engineers.
The escalation of the dispute comes as yesterday's industrial action hit services hard, with 35 flights cancelled nationally by 4pm - nearly twice as many as the airline had predicted.
Some 22 flights to and from Melbourne were cancelled. Some passengers suffered delays of up to six hours.
Qantas' executive general manager of people, Kevin Brown, said the strikes were causing "more and more disruptions" but said the airline would get all passengers to their destinations on the day.
There will be some cancellations today and tomorrow, but most of the trouble will be on Friday. The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association has confirmed there will be a range of stoppages of at least four hours in Sydney, Melbourne, Avalon, Perth and Brisbane.
Association president Paul Cousins said the union was prepared to reconsider Friday's strike action if Qantas met it with a changed offer.
"The ball is in Qantas' court. They can stop this dispute at any time by coming back to the table with a reasonable offer that we can take out to our members and have (it) approved," he said.
The union says Qantas still has not budged from its original offer of a 3% pay rise to engineers. The union is asking for 5%.
Mr Brown said the airline would not meet the union while it was causing considerable disruption to Qantas customers.
Discussions between the ACTU, engineers and Qantas broke down on June 12.
Qantas has started using managers, all of whom it has said are qualified aircraft engineers, to plug the gaps when maintenance workers walk off the job. But Mr Cousins said the union was concerned at the safety compliance of those managers.
He noted that 457 visa laws would prevent Qantas from hiring foreign workers to replace local engineers. "They'll have to use a scab labour force ... which numbers well less than 100 and I don't believe they'll be able to conduct the work that 1500 highly skilled Qantas engineers do around the country."
Jetstar was forced to cancel a flight from Melbourne to Bali last night because it was unable to get mechanical work done in time for the plane's departure.
Passenger Jaz Cooper, who was travelling with two small children, said Jetstar staff simply told him the "plane is stuck in Sydney".
A spokeswoman later confirmed the plane was delayed in Sydney because it needed mechanical work, but industrial action had prevented the work being done in time.
Jetstar paid for accommodation for some interstate passengers, while local residents were simply told to go home and return for the rescheduled flight this morning.
This one I googled this morning, in fact if you Google Qantas News, ALAEA Qantas etc you will get all the media and there are heaps
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Good on you engineers
I have also been listening and watching the news (as an interested third party observer) and speaking to people affected. Don't be despondent , nearly all are on your side.
Alot of people outside are in the same position as you, being told to take scraps or nothing while CEOs and management flunkies hand themselves outrageous rises on the back of your O/T and productivity.
GD stated that Qantas have an engineering record second to none, he should be asked who made that reputation and who maintains it. It doesn't matter how many managers you have in ivory towers, it is the person on the tools with their PROFESSIONAL pride who wont cut corners who maintains and guards that reputation, that they are rightly proud of.
It is this professional pride that these parasites have been gouging on.Not just you lot, but your pilots, F/As, check-in staff, and all the others proud to work for the WhiteRat.
Unfortunately this is a management trait that has swung through most of corporate Australia. Hopefully, when the media see which way the wind is blowing, they'll do a 180 and pretend they are on the side of the 'man in the street' and rage against corporate excesses.Remember Bondy was a darling then a ratbag.
Good luck, you have heaps of support even if you don't realise it.
I have also been listening and watching the news (as an interested third party observer) and speaking to people affected. Don't be despondent , nearly all are on your side.
Alot of people outside are in the same position as you, being told to take scraps or nothing while CEOs and management flunkies hand themselves outrageous rises on the back of your O/T and productivity.
GD stated that Qantas have an engineering record second to none, he should be asked who made that reputation and who maintains it. It doesn't matter how many managers you have in ivory towers, it is the person on the tools with their PROFESSIONAL pride who wont cut corners who maintains and guards that reputation, that they are rightly proud of.
It is this professional pride that these parasites have been gouging on.Not just you lot, but your pilots, F/As, check-in staff, and all the others proud to work for the WhiteRat.
Unfortunately this is a management trait that has swung through most of corporate Australia. Hopefully, when the media see which way the wind is blowing, they'll do a 180 and pretend they are on the side of the 'man in the street' and rage against corporate excesses.Remember Bondy was a darling then a ratbag.
Good luck, you have heaps of support even if you don't realise it.
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Heard Geoff on the ABC yesterday defending his high wage, because he is in control of a $15bill company. I could not see the logic of paying highly someone in control of a large sum of money, yet paying people sh%t who are in control of a large sum of lives?
Talk about losing the plot.
Max1, Cheers mate.
Talk about losing the plot.
Max1, Cheers mate.
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Perth Walk Off
Perth Stop Work 1100-1500 was canx, due no Snr Exec able to attend (maybe couldn't be gauranteed to get an on-time flight). Large Penis was visibly upset when informed. All was quiet when Large Penis told the Eng's he was going to bring on our brothers with no conscience to help out. The decision was then made to pull the guys out for the remander of the original stop work time approx 1400-1500. They went back at 1500 and the other workers were gone.
It is reported that Aqua Man doesn't know which way to point an aircraft on pushback.
QF580 was not cancelled as a result of Industrial Action. It was canx before Stop Work time of 1100 and it was because it was BROKEN! as was the case for the Jumbo in Sunday night, not Ind Action, BROKEN!
It is reported that Aqua Man doesn't know which way to point an aircraft on pushback.
QF580 was not cancelled as a result of Industrial Action. It was canx before Stop Work time of 1100 and it was because it was BROKEN! as was the case for the Jumbo in Sunday night, not Ind Action, BROKEN!