Pilots with history of recreational drug use.Do I stand a chance?
Sunfish, I find your comments offensive. I went through all my teen years without touching drugs once. To say that I must have smoked marijuana is offensive to me.
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hahaha Pyro, you maybe in the minority. But I too would like to believe that not ALL teenagers have smoked pot 'cause I have an 18 yr daughter who I would think is the last person to do such a dumb thing. & no Pyro you ain't having her Mob number either!
I see this thread is gathering much speed & so it ought to, if we can 'weed' (poor choice of a word I know) out those that want to add to the woes of a professional pilot by way of a past or current drug problem all the better
CW
I see this thread is gathering much speed & so it ought to, if we can 'weed' (poor choice of a word I know) out those that want to add to the woes of a professional pilot by way of a past or current drug problem all the better
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CW, no Mob number for an upstanding gentleman like myself?! what a letdown!
anyway, I really never got 'the chance' to try and illicit drugs and generally didn't care about it..
and nowadays I think more about my future and say no...
I have been offered drugs of course.
anyway, I really never got 'the chance' to try and illicit drugs and generally didn't care about it..
and nowadays I think more about my future and say no...
I have been offered drugs of course.
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Reflection:
Yes I too was young and dumb, I "once" tried a joint at 17, and made myself sick, because I had never smoked, and still do not know how to!
And I have done other stupid things that I should have known better.
So you have a chance, a very good one, but it is kinda like a game of golf, or target shooting, you are playing against yourself here, how do you know you have the dicipline to stay away from it, only time will tell you.
In the meantime for those of us with kids , read on!
Ms. Crystal Meth
by Samantha Reynolds
If my 'glamorous' lifestyle is appealing to you. . .
And you want to try me because you've 'nothing to lose'. . .
Then, let me give you a bit of advice:
You are a fool. . . and you'd better think twice.
I destroy homes. I tear families apart.
I take your children~ And that's just the start.
I'm more valued than diamonds; more precious than gold.
The sorrow I bring is a sight to behold.
If you need me, remember; I'm easily found.
I live all around you. In school and in town.
I live with the rich. I live with the poor.
I live just down the road, and maybe next door.
I'm made in a lab, but not in one like you think.
I can be made under your kitchen sink.
Or in your child's closet, and even out in the woods.
If this scares you to death, it certainly should.
I have many names, but there's one you'll know best.
I'm sure you've heard of me. My name's Crystal Meth.
My power is awesome. Try me you'll see.
But if you do you may never break free.
Just try me once and I might let you go.
But if you try me twice then I own your soul.
When I posses you you'll steal and lie.
You'll do what you have to just to get high.
The crimes you'll commit for my clandestine charms
Will be worth the pleasure you'll feel in my arms.
You'll lie to your mother. You'll steal from your dad.
When you see their tears you must not feel sad.
Just forget your morals and how you were raised.
I'll be your conscious. I'll teach you my ways.
I take kids from their parents. I take parents from kids.
I turn people from God. I separate friends.
I'll take everything from you; Even your good looks and your pride.
I'll be with you always---right there by your side.
You'll give up everything; Your family, your home
Your money, your friends. You'll be all alone.
I'll take and I'll take until you've no more to give.
When I'm finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.
If you try me be warned:
THIS IS NOT A GAME.
If I'm given the chance, I'll drive you insane.
I'll ravage your body. I'll control your mind.
I'll own you completely. Your soul will be mine.
The nightmares I'll give you when your lying in bed....
And the voices you'll hear from inside your head....
The sweats, the shakes and the visions you'll see....
I want you to know: These are your gifts from me.
By then it's to late and you'll know in your heart
That you are now mine and we shall not part.
You'll regret that you tried me. (They always do.)
Just remember; you came to me. Not I, to you.
You knew this would happen. How many times were you told?
But you challenged my power. You chose to be bold.
You could have said "No" and then walked away.
If you could live that day over, now what would you say?
My power is awesome as I told you before.
I can take your mother and turn her into a whore.
Go ahead and curse me with every breath.
Just make your choice: Will it be life or meth?
You will take unknown paths on your journey through life.
Some will bring happiness. Some will bring strife.
But, my path is one you must not ever cross.
Although it's well trodden countless lives have been lost.
Now that you've met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.
I can show you more misery than words can tell~
Come, take my hand. Let me lead you to Hell.
Chr's
H/Snort
And I have done other stupid things that I should have known better.
So you have a chance, a very good one, but it is kinda like a game of golf, or target shooting, you are playing against yourself here, how do you know you have the dicipline to stay away from it, only time will tell you.
In the meantime for those of us with kids , read on!
Ms. Crystal Meth
by Samantha Reynolds
If my 'glamorous' lifestyle is appealing to you. . .
And you want to try me because you've 'nothing to lose'. . .
Then, let me give you a bit of advice:
You are a fool. . . and you'd better think twice.
I destroy homes. I tear families apart.
I take your children~ And that's just the start.
I'm more valued than diamonds; more precious than gold.
The sorrow I bring is a sight to behold.
If you need me, remember; I'm easily found.
I live all around you. In school and in town.
I live with the rich. I live with the poor.
I live just down the road, and maybe next door.
I'm made in a lab, but not in one like you think.
I can be made under your kitchen sink.
Or in your child's closet, and even out in the woods.
If this scares you to death, it certainly should.
I have many names, but there's one you'll know best.
I'm sure you've heard of me. My name's Crystal Meth.
My power is awesome. Try me you'll see.
But if you do you may never break free.
Just try me once and I might let you go.
But if you try me twice then I own your soul.
When I posses you you'll steal and lie.
You'll do what you have to just to get high.
The crimes you'll commit for my clandestine charms
Will be worth the pleasure you'll feel in my arms.
You'll lie to your mother. You'll steal from your dad.
When you see their tears you must not feel sad.
Just forget your morals and how you were raised.
I'll be your conscious. I'll teach you my ways.
I take kids from their parents. I take parents from kids.
I turn people from God. I separate friends.
I'll take everything from you; Even your good looks and your pride.
I'll be with you always---right there by your side.
You'll give up everything; Your family, your home
Your money, your friends. You'll be all alone.
I'll take and I'll take until you've no more to give.
When I'm finished with you, you'll be lucky to live.
If you try me be warned:
THIS IS NOT A GAME.
If I'm given the chance, I'll drive you insane.
I'll ravage your body. I'll control your mind.
I'll own you completely. Your soul will be mine.
The nightmares I'll give you when your lying in bed....
And the voices you'll hear from inside your head....
The sweats, the shakes and the visions you'll see....
I want you to know: These are your gifts from me.
By then it's to late and you'll know in your heart
That you are now mine and we shall not part.
You'll regret that you tried me. (They always do.)
Just remember; you came to me. Not I, to you.
You knew this would happen. How many times were you told?
But you challenged my power. You chose to be bold.
You could have said "No" and then walked away.
If you could live that day over, now what would you say?
My power is awesome as I told you before.
I can take your mother and turn her into a whore.
Go ahead and curse me with every breath.
Just make your choice: Will it be life or meth?
You will take unknown paths on your journey through life.
Some will bring happiness. Some will bring strife.
But, my path is one you must not ever cross.
Although it's well trodden countless lives have been lost.
Now that you've met me, what will you do?
Will you try me or not? It's all up to you.
I can show you more misery than words can tell~
Come, take my hand. Let me lead you to Hell.
Chr's
H/Snort
Capt Wally, don't be a spoil sport and share your daughters number around, 
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Morno & cessna_dave, geez you guys are easily offended why don't you grow some thicker skin.
I have never touched drugs either and yet I think that amongst my non-aviation friends that I probably would be the only one that hasn't.
The point that was trying to be made is that there is a huge percentage of people try drugs these days, particularly young people. Perhaps the word "most" should have been used. Are you happier now?
I have never touched drugs either and yet I think that amongst my non-aviation friends that I probably would be the only one that hasn't.
The point that was trying to be made is that there is a huge percentage of people try drugs these days, particularly young people. Perhaps the word "most" should have been used. Are you happier now?
Looks like the percentage of youths who used Marijuna is more like 13.8%, whereas alcohol is more like 37.6%.
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/r...hapter1.html#2
But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/r...hapter1.html#2
But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good story
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Morno Pyro has shown to date he's a smart little individual so if I was to 'sell' my daughter to a pilot (how dumb would that be !) then you will have to take a number Remember I'm a male, a pilot & believe in the 'Darwin' theory, so hence I'll keep my daughter locked away!
Drugs? well they are available always have been although these days maybe peer pressure is far more real than it was in my youthful days but there are options today far more than there was many years ago for assitance. Help is so readily available but aviation ought to be the last thing on a previous drug users mind
CW
Remember I'm a male, a pilot & believe in the 'Darwin' theory, so hence I'll keep my daughter locked away!Drugs? well they are available always have been although these days maybe peer pressure is far more real than it was in my youthful days but there are options today far more than there was many years ago for assitance. Help is so readily available but aviation ought to be the last thing on a previous drug users mind
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I never touch drugs, but i drink like a fish and i bet some of you do too. What you need to understand is that ALL drugs at certain levels will have impact on your life. I personally would not have a problem with employing someone who smoked a joint occasionally, or took an eccy at a party, In fact i would prefer someone who had an open mind and attitude to life over some of the wankers here on pprune who just sit in front of their computers thinking about flying all day looking at airliners.net and only taking a break to wipe down their screens.
I would bet my bottom dollar that most of you are religious too- which i consider an illegal drug in itself as it fills your head with so much crap.
Most of you guys would be shocked to learn that recreational drug use is not confined to kids who work at coles too, it occurs at every level of any profession you could name. And why is the avition industry so precious? Sorry to bring you down a peg boys, but there are more mentally demanding jobs out there than driving jets.
Whoever made the stupid comment about the Cherrokee 6. The guy had an engine failure. If he had been hungover, as i know many pilots who have flown in such a state, would there be such an uproar?
Good on you cetnik for trying to get to where you want to go in life. dont tell anyone about your past and look forward to your future. Just make sure you pass any drug tests honestly and i will fly with you anyday.
some of you guys need to get a life away from being critical of others.
I would bet my bottom dollar that most of you are religious too- which i consider an illegal drug in itself as it fills your head with so much crap.
Most of you guys would be shocked to learn that recreational drug use is not confined to kids who work at coles too, it occurs at every level of any profession you could name. And why is the avition industry so precious? Sorry to bring you down a peg boys, but there are more mentally demanding jobs out there than driving jets.
Whoever made the stupid comment about the Cherrokee 6. The guy had an engine failure. If he had been hungover, as i know many pilots who have flown in such a state, would there be such an uproar?
Good on you cetnik for trying to get to where you want to go in life. dont tell anyone about your past and look forward to your future. Just make sure you pass any drug tests honestly and i will fly with you anyday.
some of you guys need to get a life away from being critical of others.
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Mr Milk like all the rest of us in here yr allowed yr opinion, BUT just about every one of the posts are dead against that sort of behavior, you are definetly in the minority, thank God !
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Sensitive? How? If the religious amongst us all come forward and pray that cetnik burns in hell this whole problem will be solved!
Wal i respect anyones opinion- although i might sound as if i dont, i just reserve the right to hang sh1t on people the same as they can hang it on me. Thats what people in here need to realise- that all that goes on here is opinion and not to take anyones too much to heart.
Wal i respect anyones opinion- although i might sound as if i dont, i just reserve the right to hang sh1t on people the same as they can hang it on me. Thats what people in here need to realise- that all that goes on here is opinion and not to take anyones too much to heart.
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Mr Milk at 52 yrs of age (same as me) I wonder what allows you the thoughts that it may be ok to some degree to do drugs & be accepted when as teenagers we would have had very little opertunity to do drugs & was probably the furtherest thing from most minds, not like these days where it's almost available on every street corner! I would as I assume just about every one else of our vintage disscourage like crazy the use, acceptance & the beleif that it's no big deal to use mind altering drugs & continue to fool ones self never lone an employer. Professional pilots need to be ever vigilant, it's hard enough to be focussed & stay alert as it is with constant T&C's errosion never lone having had a past of ilicit drug use to deal with & hide.. I accept yr opinion but I just don't agree like as I said most others would have the same feeling.
BTW I have no problem with the original posters ambition to get where he wants to go it's just that I feel as so many others must do has gone about it the wrong way
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BTW I have no problem with the original posters ambition to get where he wants to go it's just that I feel as so many others must do has gone about it the wrong way
CW
CW
This is a stupid thread, no-one would argue that there is no room for drugs and alcohol in our industry, however you would be deluding yourself if you believe there's a difference between the two and this "is" an issue in our industry, whether you care to acknowledge that or not. The question is, "is it properly managed"
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Cetnikl.....
Don't listen to all the wowsers.....
Look, when i was younger, I, as did many of my mates dabbled in the odd smoking of some pot (yes I know its dumb, but we were all young once)
it never affected my pilots licence (not that I smoked when i was flying)
I obviously gave it up after leaving my teenage years and am now gainfully employed flying a big jet as many of my mates who also had a dabble as well.
The best advice i could give you is, give the eccy's away now, knuckle down, don't tell you doctor anything he doesn't want to hear and make a career out of flying if thats what you want.....If you wanna keep getting high, buy a guitar and play at the local pub for a living...
Most importantly off all, if your going to do both, think carefully of the responsiblity you have as PIC...
Don't listen to all the wowsers.....
Look, when i was younger, I, as did many of my mates dabbled in the odd smoking of some pot (yes I know its dumb, but we were all young once)
it never affected my pilots licence (not that I smoked when i was flying)
I obviously gave it up after leaving my teenage years and am now gainfully employed flying a big jet as many of my mates who also had a dabble as well.
The best advice i could give you is, give the eccy's away now, knuckle down, don't tell you doctor anything he doesn't want to hear and make a career out of flying if thats what you want.....If you wanna keep getting high, buy a guitar and play at the local pub for a living...
Most importantly off all, if your going to do both, think carefully of the responsiblity you have as PIC...
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All I'm going to say is that I find it difficult to reconcile the sanctimonious self-righteous comments posted by pilots on here with my experience of pilots, and at 55 I've associated with quite a few.
I've seen them all, from drunks leaving the club at midnight who are flying the jet out the next morning at 7am to those who like a toke at night and fly safely the next day.
To whomever it was who said "You will never fly my aircraft!" I can only say good luck in your blindness, because those people are almost certainly already flying for you, and you wouldn't have a clue.
Get your head out of the sand, people, and stop pretending pilots come equipped with a halo.
I've seen them all, from drunks leaving the club at midnight who are flying the jet out the next morning at 7am to those who like a toke at night and fly safely the next day.
To whomever it was who said "You will never fly my aircraft!" I can only say good luck in your blindness, because those people are almost certainly already flying for you, and you wouldn't have a clue.
Get your head out of the sand, people, and stop pretending pilots come equipped with a halo.
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Finally some people are speaking without the narrow mindedness of a few of the posters here. If the lad wants to turn his life around and become an aviator he should have every oportunity. I know many pilots who have dabbled in illicit use of drugs in thier pre flying lives and many are successful and happy pilots, having left thier mistakes behind.
If he gives up the wacky weed for good and can pass the required testing then good luck to him.
If he gives up the wacky weed for good and can pass the required testing then good luck to him.