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Im sorry, but please please please do your bloody research. You are totally wrong and its so apparent.
You paid $600 to QF for testing? Gee - wonder how much the profit margin was - the "well researched" among us know that testing/interviewing costs the company absolutely nothing? Makes you wonder why they did stop taking applications during these tough economic times - they're sitting on a veritable cash cow! Why not just swindle thousands of gullible applicants - the company could almost give up flight operations if they could convince enough punters to apply for pilot jobs instead!!! They must be kicking themselves for not calling in every single applicant for testing - what with pilot recruitment being totally geared for the "cash grab" as you say.
Then there's the issue of the QLink traineeship. Perhaps in all your research you missed the stark reality that Qlink is a separate company to QF with a completely independent recruitment process. Yes - some testing is conducted at QF on QL's behalf, but QF pilot recruitment have nothing to do with QL.
I think the only conclusion one can draw here is that you're totally wrong and it's so apparent?
nkand,
I am sorry your cadetship was pulled BUT I can tell you a few things.
a) The 'find your own work placement' isn't as harsh as it sounds, if QF gets Air North saying 'hey we want some cadets' QF will give the cadets the option, if you struggle to find a spot you will be guided by QF. I was worried about this and so asked, it's really just to give you some independence so that you do what you want to do, eg; instructing, night freight etc., and don't get everything handed to you on a plate.
b) Pilot Recruitment was actually dissapointed by the amount of people who threw in the towel when they were told the cadetship wasn't going to be run but their applications will still remain in the pool for next time. Many people withdrew, shows dedication doesn't it.
c) Next time you go for recruitment with QF ask them to show you what each of the tests cost them. You will find it is EXACTLY the same as what you are being charged.
I can't always defend QF, but I hate the way many Australians look for the bad things in QF when a lot of the time they are doing it right.
I am sorry your cadetship was pulled BUT I can tell you a few things.
a) The 'find your own work placement' isn't as harsh as it sounds, if QF gets Air North saying 'hey we want some cadets' QF will give the cadets the option, if you struggle to find a spot you will be guided by QF. I was worried about this and so asked, it's really just to give you some independence so that you do what you want to do, eg; instructing, night freight etc., and don't get everything handed to you on a plate.
b) Pilot Recruitment was actually dissapointed by the amount of people who threw in the towel when they were told the cadetship wasn't going to be run but their applications will still remain in the pool for next time. Many people withdrew, shows dedication doesn't it.
c) Next time you go for recruitment with QF ask them to show you what each of the tests cost them. You will find it is EXACTLY the same as what you are being charged.
I can't always defend QF, but I hate the way many Australians look for the bad things in QF when a lot of the time they are doing it right.
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Yes, im glad my cadetship got pulled because to be honest id be better off at some flying school at Bankstown and going into g/a- a hell of a lot cheaper.
With the new changes- dare I say it the Rex cadetship kills QF cadetship as at least you are guaranteed a job at the end.
And you are both wrong- because I know people whove gone for Qlink testing and had same HR people.
Think about this before you both comment- Qantas conducted medicals, interviews and psychs within a period of a few days before the announcement was made that cadetship at least swinburne down in Melbourne wasnt going ahead- this is just totally immoral in my books and to be honest I cant see how it isnt.
I am not trying to bag Qantas every post as I still think there a great airline/good to work for, but when you do things like ive mentioned above and the new terms and conditions youd be pretty stupid to take it and consider yourself a qantas employee. Your just another token in the queue.
With the new changes- dare I say it the Rex cadetship kills QF cadetship as at least you are guaranteed a job at the end.
And you are both wrong- because I know people whove gone for Qlink testing and had same HR people.
Think about this before you both comment- Qantas conducted medicals, interviews and psychs within a period of a few days before the announcement was made that cadetship at least swinburne down in Melbourne wasnt going ahead- this is just totally immoral in my books and to be honest I cant see how it isnt.
I am not trying to bag Qantas every post as I still think there a great airline/good to work for, but when you do things like ive mentioned above and the new terms and conditions youd be pretty stupid to take it and consider yourself a qantas employee. Your just another token in the queue.
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the total cost of the qf cadet course is around $140,000.
The total cost of the same course, without the QF cadet name attached to it, including mecir and multi crew, is $95,160.
Looks to me like QF are pulling profit of $45000 for each graduate.
Quote from everyone:
"oh, of course, how sorry we are for doubting you, the numbers are right there, and its now obvious they are pulling profit"
"Thats ok guys, everyone makes mistakes'
Now, everyone, watch my post generate another 3 or 4 pages of how ignorant I am, how QF arnt meanines, how I am but merely uneducated, and that you obviously know more than me.
The total cost of the same course, without the QF cadet name attached to it, including mecir and multi crew, is $95,160.
Looks to me like QF are pulling profit of $45000 for each graduate.
Quote from everyone:
"oh, of course, how sorry we are for doubting you, the numbers are right there, and its now obvious they are pulling profit"
"Thats ok guys, everyone makes mistakes'
Now, everyone, watch my post generate another 3 or 4 pages of how ignorant I am, how QF arnt meanines, how I am but merely uneducated, and that you obviously know more than me.
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Yep Damo - think you've missed a fairly large part of the puzzle. Aside from which you have offered zero information that shows that the third party training provider returns any cash to the airline. On top of which, if this were the case, you would need to explain why QF would discontinue a training course which creates zero obligation on their part, but on which you assert they make a $45k profit.
The fact that this line contains two misspellings, numerous grammatical errors and a tautology is the very definition of irony.
On a good day I am capable of ignoring posters like this - apparently it's not a good day.
Now, everyone, watch my post generate another 3 or 4 pages of how ignorant I am, how QF arnt meanines, how I am but merely uneducated, and that you obviously know more than me.
On a good day I am capable of ignoring posters like this - apparently it's not a good day.
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... "Qantas cadetship, putting people on hold", 'paying $$$ for the cadetship or recruitment process' 
. You sound like a spoilt two year old throwing a tantrum, grow up. There's nothing more painful than whinging w
kers. Obviously some have had their heads so far stuck up their arse that they haven't realised the economic downturn, hence "people on hold". For all those involved it's a calculated gamble, pay the $$$ for the cadetship/recruitment process and you may or may not get a job. For all those on here bitching about qf, man up and get on with it, no one owes you a thing.
. You sound like a spoilt two year old throwing a tantrum, grow up. There's nothing more painful than whinging wkers. Obviously some have had their heads so far stuck up their arse that they haven't realised the economic downturn, hence "people on hold". For all those involved it's a calculated gamble, pay the $$$ for the cadetship/recruitment process and you may or may not get a job. For all those on here bitching about qf, man up and get on with it, no one owes you a thing.
nkand, whilst it may seem like QF took you hook, line and sinker in terms of 'grabbing' your cash before pulling the cadetship, I can assure you that quite often the people in pilot recruitment are the LAST to know what's going on in terms of recruitment, as silly as it sounds. They are often only told by management at the last minute whether or not a course is approved or not. Take the last course (january), people on it were called in November given 2 months notice only to be told 5 days prior to starting that the course had been cancelled / delayed by up to 3 months. Unfortunately many were already on their road trip having sold up and bought new houses in syd. If QF made ANY money out of the recruitment / cadet process i'm sure the new CP wouldn't be as anti-cadet as he apparently is
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The fact that this line contains two misspellings, numerous grammatical errors and a tautology is the very definition of irony. On a good day I am capable of ignoring posters like this - apparently it's not a good day.
On a good day I am capable of ignoring posters like this - apparently it's not a good day.
“Icarus, you are so smart.”
“I care about what people think of me on internet forums.”
“Icarus, I wish I was more like you.”
Now, you may want to read my post again, and rethink what you have said. I was obviously being ironic in the last two points of what you quoted. For grammar discrepancies, which, only if you were under educated or compulsively lazy, would inspire confusion, to convey irony, would be then producing dual ironic conundrum. If my irony is ironic, I should have been literal at the start, and maintained an ironic stance, one is way too switched on to be making such obvious mistakes.
Oh, and allow me to post a transcript from a conversation I had with OAA staff:
Me: “Hey, why do Qantas cadets get charged 45k more than the normal degree students?”
Them: “I don't know, the rest of the money goes back to Qantas”
At this point, you are to feel free to refer back to my example ironic comments above.
Damo,
Interesting, it would be interesting if someone could get an official line from QF on this, as I am sure I have had a conversation with them where they say 'We get nothing from the fees'.
Two conflicting sources, would love to know the truth.
Interesting, it would be interesting if someone could get an official line from QF on this, as I am sure I have had a conversation with them where they say 'We get nothing from the fees'.
Two conflicting sources, would love to know the truth.
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Damo,
Interesting, it would be interesting if someone could get an official line from QF on this, as I am sure I have had a conversation with them where they say 'We get nothing from the fees'.
Two conflicting sources, would love to know the truth.
Interesting, it would be interesting if someone could get an official line from QF on this, as I am sure I have had a conversation with them where they say 'We get nothing from the fees'.
Two conflicting sources, would love to know the truth.
Qantas coming out and saying yes we make 45k on top for each cadet in Melbourne!
The fact is that the course costs are 45,000 over what regular degree is when in fact the licenses/hours, what you graduate with are all the same and so far has not been explained by Qantas. Its just not plausible that this money goes to OAA/Swinburne as theyre are no other associated costs besides the flying/theory that would cost that much.
Anyways, peace out!
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Damo
In your calculations you've omitted the gas turbine endorsement usually given for industry placement so that's about 20k. So what if you have to pay extra $$$ for a reserved seniority number in qf and by-passing GA earning around 65k pa? What's your gripe? If you feel cadets have it bad for paying more $$$ tell qf to stick their cadetship and go bush or if not shut the fk up no one wants to hear your childish whinging.
In your calculations you've omitted the gas turbine endorsement usually given for industry placement so that's about 20k. So what if you have to pay extra $$$ for a reserved seniority number in qf and by-passing GA earning around 65k pa? What's your gripe? If you feel cadets have it bad for paying more $$$ tell qf to stick their cadetship and go bush or if not shut the f
k up no one wants to hear your childish whinging.
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Does anyone have anymore news on the testing (SHL or not)?
Why do you think that aviator?
There costing is pretty spot on for the courses. Maybe a bit more if you are a slow learner and need more hours, add in obviously living expenses and also the expenses for testing at the start.
There costing is pretty spot on for the courses. Maybe a bit more if you are a slow learner and need more hours, add in obviously living expenses and also the expenses for testing at the start.
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dlesmond - glad to see someone bring something approximating substantive fact to this argument. A welcome change from supposition, here-say and gibberish.
Everyone is entitled to get a costing for their training in writing. Has anyone who has actually attended these courses posted on here to say that there was $45k in unexplained training costs on their bill?
Damo - if you end up going to the dictionary for definitions to some of these words, I recommend you keep reading past the first one given. If Led Zeppelin taught us anything, it's that words sometimes have two meanings. You might also investigate the subtle differences between irony and sarcasm.
Everyone is entitled to get a costing for their training in writing. Has anyone who has actually attended these courses posted on here to say that there was $45k in unexplained training costs on their bill?
Damo - if you end up going to the dictionary for definitions to some of these words, I recommend you keep reading past the first one given. If Led Zeppelin taught us anything, it's that words sometimes have two meanings. You might also investigate the subtle differences between irony and sarcasm.